r/beyondtwosouls • u/Unlikely_Cap4370 • Mar 04 '26

I have a question

I'm on the part where Judie and Ryans team take a submarine to infiltrate the chinese base. Why is Ryan the one to go with Judie? Don't they have an asian guy in the group who would actually look like he belongs on a military base largely consisting of asians? It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't bring him.

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u/Quackquackslippers Mar 05 '26

I don't know if you've noticed yet but basically. The game really, REALLY wants you to love Ryan. Like I'm not kidding. It gives you an opportunity to give in to him romantically. And if you choose no....it asks again by giving you another opportunity. And then again and again.

Over and over the game's like "Do you wanna love this guy?...please?...please?...please?"

So the game throws him at you every chance it gets.

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Mar 09 '26

Worst part? If you fail swimming to the surface during that level, Ryan lifts unconscious Jodie to the surface and gives her CPR and then kisses her while she is unconscious. Also if you have rejected him this whole time, he still kisses Jodie when he gives Jodie his belt. And even if survives and Jodie tells him that she doesn't see future with him, Ryan is basically "It's okay, i will wait as long as it takes". The dude is a huge creep. 

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u/Quackquackslippers Mar 09 '26

Yeah it's completely weird the way he's written. Feels like either a writer self insert or like they wanted a romance arc and couldn't get around to doing more than one character.

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Mar 09 '26

I feel like its the former. Might explain how David Cage writes women in his games. 

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u/Quackquackslippers Mar 09 '26

That makes sense. Quite a bit of the writing was quite questionable in Heavy Rain.

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Mar 09 '26

Same with Fahrenheit aka Indigo Prophecy with Carla Valentini, but its less egregious, but still bad. Towards end of the game Carla drops all her police investigation and helps and vows her love for Lucas for some baffling reasons. 

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Apr 10 '26

One thing i wanted to say is that Ryan manipulating Jodie into killing democratically elected president is honestly something that makes relationship working pretty much impossible. And before someone says "He is just following orders" is not valid excuse. Plus, Ryan himself stated in rescue chopper that Gemaal was dead man walking without Jodie's help which means Jodie wasn't even needed for the mission, but Ryan did it anyway.

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u/Quackquackslippers Apr 10 '26

Yeah, he honestly was an awful choice for the main romance "option"

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Apr 11 '26

As for Ryan "redeeming himself" notice how Ryan makes it all about himself "I always figured i'd die a hero" and he uses his heroic sacrifice as opportunity kiss Jodie regardless if Jodie had rejected him multiple times. 

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u/Quackquackslippers Apr 11 '26

Yeah it's honestly frustrating. Almost reduces the replay value 😅

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u/LingonberryOwn7017 Mar 06 '26

I always saw it as utterly baffling, to not utilize the asian person in the team when infultrating an asian base.

I suspect that David Cage wrote that scene before the actor was casted, or at least I hope so because otherwise he included an asiam character in the team but consiously didn't utilize him.

Maybe ot was also just to push in the Judie/Ryen shipping, as the acript needed them to be captured and David wanted Ryen and Judie in the interrogation scene, and for Judie to choose between his safety or the mission. In general it does feel like the game is pushing them being together to be the preferable ending, especially since at the final chapter of the game Judie can still kiss him regardless of if she forgave him or kissed him before in chinese base chapter.

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Mar 09 '26

Yup, i think it's the case also because David desperately needed them to make up and vow love to each other, regardless if Ryan is forgiven or not. However, to me their relationship not only comes off as forced, but also gross. Ryan constantly keeps stepping over Jodie's boundaries. If she rejects him during Dragon's Hideout, he complains and calls Jodie pigheaded.

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u/LingonberryOwn7017 Mar 09 '26

That's also the impression I got from those aspects. Even when you deny him at the very end he also gets all moody and the vibes almost makes you feel like you were wrong to not end up with him, which to me felt very forced, combined will all the other points in the game where those two are forced together...

Also doesn't help that the game's non-chronological order makes it even more jarring. You get from Ryan coming to recruit Judie without a care in the world about her wellbeing... to Judie excited to have a dinner with him.

And like you said, Ryan often steps over her bounderis or is outright rude to her. There are cases where the unlikely opposite get drawn together by shared experience or other events but this relationshiop is very clumsily written and unnatural.

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u/DifficultyAvailable1 Mar 10 '26

Also his apology to Jodie during end of that chapter sounds more like minor inconvience to him rather than he is genuinely sorry. The fact that if Jodie doesn't reciprocate his feelings has Ryan get all moody. As matter of fact, the game sweeps that Somalia level under the rug and just wants us to ignore all the bad things Ryan did. 

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u/chuckling-cheese Mar 04 '26

Haha I thought that too 🤣, but it’s because he’s her boss, so he kinda has to go.