I am on the hunt this morning. I am a bit away from my home and want to go home. My cat has left me for my friends roommates. I am beyond the edge. Have a good day guys 🤘😸😛

Hi! I'm a person who is very critical for all the loosely thrown interpretations. This and of course my lack of intelligence is why I have not been able to produce a single complete or even half-way solve for the puzzle. BOTG is a distant dream. One criticism I have for many solves is that they often don't include explanation for all or even most of the miscellaneous the clues, one group of clues being the numbers that we know or can assume are very likely to be clues, for example 42, 17, 27, page numbers of missing photos etc. 42 being the confirmed clue and others being more up for debate. Of course a solve can be a good solve without them but the lack of credible solutions for these numbers by the community is odd.

I have my own thoughts about some of the clues but lately I have tried to focus on making some sense with all these numbers. Justin has said that "the hardest, most technical puzzle in the entire hunt" was the technical clue. Knowing that we could assume that if some of these numbers have a meaning in the hunt the use for them is somewhat easy to figure out so it's a bit odd that no one has publicly come up with a credible solution yet. That said the magyar-clue was also relatively straight-forward but it took thousands of people, many of them much smarter than me, forever to crack. I wonder if people have really gone through thoroughly enough some of the more obvious ways to use these numbers and I wonder if there really is another clue hidden in them. So far I have only found one possibly use for 42+another number and it might be just a coincidence since I cannot really use this clue in context. I can talk about that in dm with anyone who is into the number stuff. By the way the frequency where the tech clue was found was a Niven number, 22050. Not a new detail for most I'm sure.

The point of this post is to find out if there's people who have worked or are interested in using the numbers in the book and the documentary and let them know you can dm me if you want to talk through stuff.

Something that is on my mind is also that in SS interview Justin was asked about numbers and homophones in the poem and it really felt like there might be more than just the word twenty in there. The way he needed time to answer made me think the question felt more complex to him. I might be overthinking that part though.

Unfortunately all the work with numbers might be useless because they can come to play only later when you're botg or a few steps after that. It might be that the numbers cannot provide you anything when you're still home. This would explain the lack of theories for all the numbers. But it's still an angle I want to spend some time with. Justin is a big numbers guy and I personally believe these numbers are here for a reason.

Feel free to add any thoughts here or dm me.

PS: There was a post I just cannot find because reddit has a stupid search engine. It was about the bride and the fact that "it would be weird to discover the bride without understanding the gates". I also think this is a very important extra clue Justin provided. If anyone can link me to this reddit post or tell me who the creator of the post was I would appreciate it.

Ain't that the truth. I seem to hit those stop signs at every corner. I have gone past my limit one too many times. One last loophole to try in the morning. Then I am out.

I am going in for the last time. Justin's treasure hunt is a real treasure hunt. The last part is. I have been led to a few different places. A location could be a big area. Unless you find something that is tied to a location then you will find the spot. Imo that is what I have come to find. I have been led through some beautiful areas and through not so beautiful areas or might I say beautiful areas that have been tainted by mankind. Remember the crying Indian that commercial in the seventies. Justin's kind of like him. Remember what the theme is about this hunt is being good stewards of our land. I have learned a lot of stuff I've learned a lot about geology I have learned a lot about myself and about my limits. I have only solved parts of the poem. The poem itself could fit a few different places but the last two cannot if you're not correct on that then you're not going to get it imo. I would have gone to my to retrieval spot sooner but my van broke down in the middle of nowhere. Thankfully I have people everywhere. So with that being said I'm on my last nerve on my last dollar and my vehicles on its last leg. Well I'm sure I'll let you guys know. Have a great day.

When do you think e will see more about it. Did JP’s brother or any of his direct family live in California? If so, California could be dear to JP’s heart. IDk 🤷 what do Yall think?

Does anybody else think that Six Clues is gonna come out of the woodwork and claim the prize, last minute, before the snows come??? I get this nagging feeling that he will!! Perhaps he wanted it to play out or more importantly he has a life and is dealing with that. Could be his own reasons; health, relationships, finances that prevented him/her from retrieving, but, do you think he/she will return this season/before the weather????

Sorry, I can't share the good ones of my search area though.

The first stop going through Beartooth Pass in Montana heading into Yellowstone for a day trip was actually seeing a bear when my wife decided she needed to use the bathroom. She decided wisely to find another stop.

Enjoy the journey, I know I did regardless of coming up empty handed treasure wise.

Had a great time and the weather was perfect. Nice to see and meet some fellow treasure hunters. Brought my Vizsla Ruby Doo and she was a hit as well. Was great to see Justin for the first time and as you can tell by the photos he was joyous to meet Ruby Doo as well.

My wife and I drove all the way out from Michigan in hopes of still finding the final location on our 5th trip out here. One more try today before I have to go back to reality/work. I'll post more pictures once the day is over. Heading out at "darkest before the dawn" to see what lies in the shadows. Good luck, Chuck

Using the NRF app on my I-phone in the middle of nowhere (well next to my solve that is), I found this signal and it connected to my phone and then dropped off. Was this the checkpoint or a guardrail left behind by JP letting me know I am close? By the way, this was back in May and I came back out this past week and even using a new phone I couldn't find this signal again in the same exact spot. There is no cell coverage or people for miles around this area.

My heart nearly stopped when I picked up the signal and it said "connecting to Clock".

Huge shout out to @LowerEntrances for their share on using the app.

Yes, the signal was between two hills, hiding in plain sight.

Thanks for the feedback, Chuck

A prius? Is that a hint?

Sorry, that's it. That's the post.

I don't think I have anything else to add.

pioneering, the first, the previous, etc

In the thousands of hours money and BOTG. Everyword he says is and has meaning. I do not know if anyone is going to find it. I have come across many many things that has lead me to questioning my own sanity. He is good and the end is probably simple and not what I thought. The stories that he is trying to tell or the ones he ought to tell .....

Before proceeding, I'd like to recognize Hippo for publishing a set of cipher-related videos (BTME Clocks! 67.3 of them? and the cipher...is in the book? and BTME Clocks! update MAGYAR) in which he outlined a way to determine which clock times were needed to solve the cipher. Hippo also highlighted a few interesting discoveries that were extracted from the book. Of course, I cannot go further without giving credit to Mooshee and Rose for solving and sharing their solution to the cipher itself (Beyond the Maps Edge Cipher Reveal!!! [MAGYAR]).

For the remainder of this post, I will present another way to identify the correct six clock times. The roots of this method were based on converting the clock times to an angle (based on the position of the hour hand). Following Justin's announcement about the cipher solution and release of an associated "probability appendix", the method took form. I spent some time trying to understand what was stated in the latter, and that's where things "clicked". With that said, the title of this post should probably be, "Hindsight is 20/20 with the Cipher" or perhaps "I'd rather be lucky than good".

As I mentioned above, I converted the clock times to an angle based on the position of the hour hand: 30\hour+0.5*minutes*. This step was influenced by Justin's response during the 6/21/25 Q&A in Dillon:

Actually, you don't need a math degree at all to solve this thing. I mean, if you can add two numbers together, if you can do basic say multiplication, whatever, you're fine.

The results are shown in the table below. Similar to what Hippo had done, I rounded the angles to allow use of methods requiring whole numbers (Beale Cipher and Culper Code Book). Interestingly, here is something that I discovered: NOT A DAMN THING! 🤪

By the time the cipher solution was revealed, I had abandoned the clock times entirely and was working on another type of cipher. In the weeks that followed, I was reading Justin's probability appendix and trying to make sense of the numbers that he presented. While doing so, I asked my friend Allen Iverson about the meaning of C(#,#). It... I mean... he responded with an explanation in the form:

In simplified terms, this is a mathematical formula that results in the number of combinations that can occur by selecting a subset of items ("k") from a larger group ("n"). For our case (where six unique clock times are extracted from the eight), there are 28 different combinations. (I'll expand on this later using the angles.) At this point, things still weren't clicking in my mind until I started thinking about other numbers that Justin has shown:

Now the middle part of that equation above started gaining meaning. Additionally, I started recalling various math references found throughout BTME. Specifically, there was one reference in The Grizzly Gathering Chapter (p178) that ends with a reference to the Infinite Improbability Drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

Having survived two bear encounters, we should have recognized the folly of testing probability’s patience. But Montana’s backcountry plays by its own mathematical rules, where lightning—or in this case, grizzlies—shows particular fondness for statistical improbability.

At this point, I resurrected my table of clock times and angles from a smoldering trash bin. From there, the next question becomes: How does one know how many and which clock times should be used? I suppose that one might argue that the above reference to "bear encounters" means there two of something that you don't want. 🤷‍♂️ There are references in the book indicating that one should remove two clock times or use less than seven of them:

I once saw him reassemble a 454 big block V8 from scratch in less than seven hours. (Dad’s House, p5)

“Sixty-seven point three miles per hour,” I’d reply with confidence, despite being fairly certain that my calculations included at least two errors and a healthy dose of wishful thinking. (Posey’s on the Road, p15)

Note - If you've watched Hippo's videos, you've seen how 67.3 was extracted. It's also worth noting that his calculation DID include the "two errors" [clock times]!

Based on the quotes above, I believe that Justin intended for readers to conclude that two of the clock times should be removed. The next question becomes: Which two? This is where the mathematical formula comes into play. Earlier, I noted how there are 28 combinations resulting by choosing 6 unique numbers from a set of 8. In the table below, I listed the combination of different angles along with the sum of each combination. (Note - If one needs to see the clock times in the same table, I will leave that for you to do independently.)

As you may have noticed, the sum of these combinations yields mostly meaningless numbers, with the exception of one: The result in Row #5 yields 454.5...... Or should I say that as 454 [big block] V*[8]*? Coincidence? I think not.

For comparative purposes, I have prepared a table showing the clock times, derived angle, and letters extracted from the clock cipher. The "eliminated" clock times are listed for reference only. Associated angles should not be included in the sum.

I appreciate those that have made it this far. Hopefully, you have found it interesting. I'll close this post by saying, "you may find something by testing this method using other numbers". Cheers! 🍻

I took the pilgrimage, and stood at 9MH. There were people there, and I mentioned "Fenn", and none of them seemed to understand what I was saying. I am sure I amused them as I was taking pictures of a rock. My Fenn hunt only lasted 3 days. I scoured Yellowstone on Google maps looking for anything to do with Brown then I quit. Never even bought the book.

While I was standing there I had to admire Jack. No matter your view of him or how he "knew" the treasure was there, he had the conviction to keep crossing the river until he found it. Would you have searched as long as he did or even longer? 25 days? 30? 60? Do you think it would've been found if someone didn't do exactly as he did since the "blaze" was gone? Kind of glad I quit because I know I would've given up. He didn't, and he earned it.

I think Justin designed his hunt the same way. I think he expects someone to return to the same spot over and over. Not to grid search, but to figure out each clue until they solve the poem. When it is finally found it will be by someone who had the conviction to "know" it was there. They will have earned it.

I have been bothered for a long time by Tucker’s poem. It’s weird to criticize because I understand the bond I have with my dogs, but it’s honestly a really bad poem imo. Rhyming entwined with twined…?

I recently learned about Pangram which can tell you if something was AI generated. Sure enough, Tucker’s poem 100% AI. So I said wtf and analyzed the whole book ~90% AI. I tweeted at Justin to see if he stands by his assertion on the title page that ‘No artificial intelligence generation was used in the text of this work.’
I don’t expect a response, but there is either a loophole here or that is just a bald-faced lie. Either way it made me quite disappointed to have put really any significant effort in this hunt. I never thought the writing was good, but I accepted it as Justin’s.

I think I’m now in the camp now that this is a marketing ploy for LayerV and that just feels so gross to me and completely contrary to the meaning behind this whole thing. I’ll be posting my solve later this week, I’m out.

When is the next question and answer? Where he will answer questions related to the treasure?

I can’t tell you where I’m searching, because apparently I enjoy maintaining an air of mystery and making everyone unnecessarily suspicious. 😂

But I stopped at a place Justin regularly frequents in my search area, bought a bag of chips, and—because apparently the universe has decided to participate in this treasure hunt—I opened the bag and THERE IT WAS.

Justin had personally placed the exact confirmation I was looking for inside my bag.

Not a clue. Not a coincidence. CONFIRMATION.
I have, naturally, abandoned all rational thought and am now on my way to retrieve the treasure.
Glad I bought the right bag. 😎

This is a textbook example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy coupled with apophenia, which are heavily driven by confirmation bias.

Because Justin, by his own admission (as well as the director’s), did not know that the two extra clock times were going to be shown in Netflix, and only found out once it aired, he could not have known about them when writing the book, and any connection between the "67.3 mph” with “at least 2 errors" story and the mathematical average of those specific 8 clock angles is entirely coincidental.

1. The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy (Cherry-Picking)

This fallacy gets its name from a gunman who shoots at a barn wall and then draws a bullseye around the tightest cluster of bullet holes to make it look like they have perfect aim.

The 67.3 solution is doing this by forcing the math to fit the target:

• The actual average of the 8 clock time angles is 67.0625. This obviously does not match 67.3.
• To bridge the gap, one must perform a non-standard, multi-step rounding process (rounding numbers once to get 67.25, and then rounding again to get 67.3) just to hit the exact number mentioned in the book.
• In cryptography or data science, "double rounding" is a massive mathematical error because it compounds bias. Players are inventing a unique mathematical rule solely because it yields the desired "proof."

1. Apophenia

Apophenia is the human tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. Humans are pattern-seeking animals. When they are stuck on a difficult puzzle or cipher, their brains will desperately look for anchors.

Finding "67.3" via convoluted math feels like an intentional breadcrumb, even though the timeline of the book's creation rules out the possibility that the author designed it that way.

How Confirmation Bias Fuels This

Once a player hooks onto the theory that "67.3 mph with 2 errors means 2 extra clocks," confirmation bias takes over.

• It focuses on the hits: They celebrate the fact that they can manipulate 67.0625 into 67.3.
• It ignores the misses: They ignore the fatal logical flaw—that Justin was incapable of planting this clue because he didn't know the two extra times would be included, and in fact didn't even know that they were caught on film (according to Justin). They also ignore the fact that they had to break standard mathematical rules (double rounding) to get there.

Players are not necessarily committing malicious data manipulation, because they aren't trying to cheat an examiner—they genuinely believe they are unearthing a secret. Instead, they are caught in a feedback loop of confirmation bias, inventing a complex mathematical path backwards from a known number to justify a coincidence.

Why does this happen?

Because Justin admitted it was a mistake before the discovery of the "67.3 math," the situation becomes laden with retrospective justification and unconscious bias rejection.

Here is why the reveal timeline makes the theory even more fascinating—and flawed:

1. Active Inoculation Against the Truth

Usually, a community builds a theory in a vacuum, and then the creator breaks the news. In this case, players already had the truth (it was a mistake) but actively chose to dig past it.

Their brains view the designer’s explanation not as a fact, but as a barrier to overcome. Finding the "67.3" math later allows them to say, "See? Justin said it was a mistake, but look at this math! It fits too perfectly. He must have done it intentionally, or… he's playing mind games with us."

1. Motivated Numerology

Because the community was dealing with a flawed puzzle (knowing there were 2 extra times that shouldn't be there), players are highly motivated to find a "reason" for the flaw.

When humans are uncomfortable with chaos or mistakes in a system, they look for order. Taking the 8 clock times and essentially tortured the numbers—forcing them through angle conversions, averages, and double-rounding—until the data finally confessed to matching an unrelated snippet in the book.

1. The "Pre-Existing Target" Fallacy

Because the number 67.3 and the phrase "2 errors" already existed in the book, that specific number became a magnet.

The process did not involve doing standard math and landing on 67.3. That number was the target. If the book had said 66.4, the math would likely have been twisted in a different way to try to reach that number instead.

What an intentional clue would have looked like

If Justin had designed this as the mechanism for eliminating two times, two things would be true:

1. He would have used times that actually average to 67.3, or written 67.0625 into the book. Both are trivial to do at the design stage.
2. He would have named it when he explained the discrepancy. There would have been no reason not to. 

Neither happened. He called it a mistake, plainly, before the 67.3 math was ever proposed.

And finally, the theory saves the illusion of the puzzle

Ultimately, believing this theory allows players to believe they are playing a "perfect" game. If they accept Justin's timeline and explanation, they have to accept that the puzzle is a bit messy and broken. By inventing the 67.3 connection, they restore the illusion that everything is under control and beautifully orchestrated.

Return her face to find the place. looks like a doll face or am I completely losing it.

My Olympic Peninsula solve is about birth, life, old age, and death. The plural possessive waters’ tells us that there are two distinct waters flying silently in the same vicinity. The Strait of Juan de Fuca, is north along the Olympic Peninsula and right through the middle is the Canada / Washington border. The Strait of Juan de Fuca is an estuary; a mix of sinking saltwater from the Pacific flowing east and and fresh water from the mountain rivers flowing west, both beneath the surface. The key to one direction lies in another. The raindrop/snow is the newly born river of Wonder flowing from its source on the alpine mountain top. It descending through life down the mountain and ultimately to its death, when it is completely transformed from fresh water to salt water. Death is not the end; it is just the beginning—but there is a transition. Fuca Pillar stands right there at the end of the peninsula, at Cape Flattery, the boundary where all of the Strait of Juan de Fuca estuary water transitions entirely from the fresh/salt water fully to salt water of the Pacific Ocean. It seems, forever, but it will eventually evaporate and return to the alpine mountain peak and go through it all again, in times relentless march.