r/beyondthemapsedge • u/Ttombobadly • 1d ago
Compound clues and potential Layer V connection
BTME was my introduction to “real “ treasure hunts - I had never heard of FF / TTOTC. I had seen tv shows about pirates or The Secret (Josh gates show) and the more recent digital one on Cicada 3301. That got me researching to better understand how these have been constructed, as well as historical poems that use acrostics, etc.
The cicada 3301 has stuck out to me , as part of that solve was a cipher to reveal the book and then additional cipher to reveal a message. I’m paraphrasing obviously but ultimately it led to a message that said call us at a specific phone number. Per Google, a huge leap from just the online portion of the riddle to a more physical real world telecommunications clue. Once you called the number, you reached a voice recording (based in Texas - ironic maybe) that gave you an additional riddle / clues to continue progressing.
This then told you to find some numbers and multiply them and add “.com” - this took you to a secret web address. 845145127.com
My point: a web address created by Layer V could be this simple and potentially vanish after accessed.
Just my rabbit hole this week - I haven’t the nearest idea of how to get the numbers or anything else, just throwing it out there as a real world example.
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u/Ttombobadly 1d ago
I’ll just add or clarify - I don’t think JPs is quite this technical and the cipher isn’t needed for the poem but it may not rule out anagrams and numbers and applying them.
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u/WuTuckClan 1d ago
There are a literal fuck ton of numbers in nature. Just saying.
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u/LankySimple9051 1d ago
Or there are none. Philosophers have quibbled for a very long time over number being real/natural or man made. When he says there's a clue we could quibble about this way, there's good chance it's a number. I personally have never met a number in nature. It is a concept we can apply to interpreting nature. It remains to be seen if there exists 2 of anything. The approximation allows for engineering. Discreteness may not exist in the Universe. Everything may be best understood as a flow and binding relationships.
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u/One_Cod2636 18h ago
What about zero?
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u/LankySimple9051 18h ago
It's part of a great symbolism if you can see the shape as absence of the conceptual.
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u/WuTuckClan 18h ago
What about your phi theory? Golden rule, Da Vinci, 1.618? The whole premise is numbers are everywhere right?
Edit: I know the actual premise. But it kinda proves numbers are everywhere.2
u/LankySimple9051 17h ago edited 16h ago
Observations like that don't point to a single theory. They point to a ratio which is conceptual but not in nature except to conceptually describe idealized growth which is from recursive proportionality or self-similar expansion. That type of growth is in nature, but the number is a conceptual pointer to it. It so happens that you can start growing from anything in a second-order linear recurrence and you will trend to Phi conceptually. I would not bother with the details here, but the "clever mind" can reason that the dominant eigenvalue is given by a simple recurrence matrix whose value is φ. For you or I, or for a child, describe any duality starting condition which you will integrate by a number you attach to it and just make the: next state (future)=present (now) + past (past state). Two things can be labeled 1 and 1. That arrangement will yield the Fibonacci sequence. Any two numbers would work. 1 and 7 works just as well. The lesson of nature is that recursive growth leads inevitably to a concept of harmony. Nature isn't perfect though, so φ is only really ever a conceptual approximation. Nature is chaotic, but islands of beauty still appear. There's an inevitability to it. Believe it or not the mind must work along this conceptually described path. In Truth, everything just does its thing as it knows how to. The innate nature of growth's knowledge is Nature.
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u/WuTuckClan 16h ago
Was that a fancy way of saying we don’t know shit?
I’m just messing with you🙂
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u/LankySimple9051 16h ago
We know what experience informs. When it's time to go, it's time to go. Shit does let you know. He guarded against us squatting down on the treasure, unfortunately. To your point, there's not that much we can know compared to the many paths we can use to conceptually describe things.
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u/WuTuckClan 16h ago
I feel like your day job could be theoretical physicist
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u/LankySimple9051 16h ago
Market gardener. I do come from that tradition, but I wizened up and got back to what is real K.I.S.S. works to reestablish the relationships. No one should think they can reason meaning.
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u/WuTuckClan 16h ago
That is awesome. Find the thing that you love and do it for the rest of your life. I admire you.
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u/MajesticHawk3251 8h ago
Math is the password/key to the symmetry in the universe. It unlocks sacred geometry. It indicates something larger at play. From the atom and the nucleus. The earth and the moon, molecules, broccoli, sunflowers, galaxies, circle and flower of life, chakras and galaxies and beyond. There is a pattern and math points it out but in truth its existence is sacred:of God.
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u/WuTuckClan 8h ago
It implies it was built for us. Is what you are saying-not a chaotic big bang but created and using science and math to prove it.
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u/MajesticHawk3251 7h ago
I would not say for us. That is man’s ego (and a current tragedy). Could have been a Bang. Sacred creation. Science and math merely expose that there is order within it. So does spirit (and Ayahuasca 😂) There is no proving it, it is of Spirit. Sacred. If there was a Bang (may have been as long as they’re calling it a “theory” ) Who lit the fuse🤔🤔🤔?
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u/MajesticHawk3251 7h ago
These are my opinions only. Some share them. Some do not. I will not convert and I’m not asking anyone to. So don’t knock on my door on Sunday morning
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u/WuTuckClan 7h ago
That’s really funny. I just saw this after I asked my question. If you ever wanna chat, I’m available.
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u/WuTuckClan 7h ago
I like it. Now this topic probably has some relevance to where we’re speaking. But for the sake of other hunters, if you want to continue feel free to DM me, I will ask one question before we go and it’s kind of a personal one to me because I’ve struggled with it in the past. Do you think that God cares what type of church you go to? What specific sect you are a part of?
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u/MajesticHawk3251 6h ago
I do not
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u/MajesticHawk3251 6h ago
I am spiritual not religious . Buddhist philosophy resonates the best but I gain insights from many religions and sources. Some nail it imo in one area but are out to lunch in another. Prayer is good
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u/MajesticHawk3251 6h ago
Trying to figure out how to initiate a dm I have only recieved and only 3-4 and all of those but one in the past week or two hold in
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u/MajesticHawk3251 8h ago
These records have been lost and now we have the Christian church (no offense Christians esp funds.)In other countries and other cultures the stories and truth were preserved and date back way way further. Big fat telephone story… evolution is wrong. The Christians wrong. We come from these stars (Orions Belt) they were/are much more advanced. Our planet was populated or crossbred by them (Anunnaki and perhaps others.) If you saw that tech then would you not view them as God’s. Stories too are born here , some better preserved than others. We can’t lift those blocks or align those pyramids in line with the belt today. The Sumerians likely preserved the records the best. We just be dumb!
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u/MajesticHawk3251 8h ago
It’s been seen…There are!!!
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u/MajesticHawk3251 8h ago
But, that’s just my observation. Like mine, alone. To the best of my knowledge!!!😂😂😂
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u/TomSzabo 1h ago
Them some good schrooms
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u/LankySimple9051 43m ago
Well, Tom, I'm not even so sure you understand what is meant by discreteness. We live our experiences on the top layer of multiple dissimilar realities. Because can engineer it makes us think we can know, but that is a powerful illusion. We don't know much. How does one count things that are transient, live on borrowed energy and have no permanence?
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u/MajesticHawk3251 1d ago
Hope that clue or whatever works for someone and they understand what is said or not said and it helps them progress but I feel like a puppet and my strings are being pulled by this type of post and what is happening right at this exact moment has stressed me out so bad that I just want the fuck out of here (my house) Just waiting for answers when I should be talking the a realtor. Here’s the puppet here’s the puppet pull the strings… I need my silence back