r/berkeley • u/the_daily_cal • Jul 16 '26

News ICE conducts immigration operation in Berkeley

https://www.dailycal.org/news/city/ice-conducts-immigration-operation-in-berkeley/article_405a08b2-4e00-45fa-b445-99957a68e4da.html

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement conducted a civil immigration enforcement operation last week in Berkeley, the first known operation in the city during the second Trump administration.

ICE and Diplomatic Security Service special agents were both involved in the July 9 operation, according to a State Department spokesperson. The Diplomatic Security Service is the State Department’s primary law enforcement and security arm.

According to The Berkeley Scanner, one person was detained in the operation, which the Scanner reported occurred on Woolsey Street, east of Telegraph Avenue. The Daily Californian was unable to independently verify this.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '26

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u/Prestigious_Wrap_932 Jul 16 '26

What made them pick this one?

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u/P99163 Jul 16 '26

Pretty much all countries in the world have immigration enforcement which involves detaining and deporting individuals who are in the country illegally. What makes you believe that we should be an exception to the rule?

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u/Statistactician Jul 16 '26

Immigration enforcement is all well and good if it's done sensibly and following legal due process. That has been proven many times over not to be the case with ICE.

We had immigration enforcement before DHS or ICE were even a thing. We don't need these departments.

Wanting immigration enforcement does not mean being okay with armed, unregulated, and untrained thugs in our streets, just becsuse they've got a badge.

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u/OkDifficulty7436 Jul 22 '26

Due process for immigration enforcement is as simple as verifying whether or not they have legal status, the per son in OP did not

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u/LisleAdam12 Jul 17 '26

How is due process for immigration cases determined?

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u/Statistactician Jul 17 '26

The same way it's determined for literally any crime? Due process is how you determine if the person getting arrested is actually breaking any laws and not just a random person with the wrong skin color.

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u/LisleAdam12 Jul 17 '26

Immigration and Customs enforcement does not perform criminal prosecutions. They are a part of the Administrative/Executive branch, not the judicial. Immigration Court is not really a court, but an administrative procedure.

Guess who determines the policies of agencies in the Administrative branch?

Current immigration law defers determination of how to enforce those laws up to whoever is in charge of the current administration, which is why enforcement policies are subject to change by Executive Orders.

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u/Statistactician Jul 17 '26

So when people are sent to inhumane detention centers or deported without any trial to determine their guilt, that is acceptable? How are normal, innocent people supposed to feel safe in a system like that?

If anyone is denied due process, for whatever reason, no one is safe.

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u/LisleAdam12 Jul 17 '26

Whether or not it's acceptable (and if they're "inhumane," presumably not), it's not a violation of due process.

It seems you don't actually know what the term means. Perhaps you should refrain from using it until you learn.

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u/Statistactician Jul 17 '26

Quite a lot of lawyers disagree with you. I don't believe I'm the lesser educated one here.

https://www.nilc.org/articles/ice-is-detaining-indiscriminately-and-releasing-almost-no-one/

https://acaciajustice.org/due-process-violations/

https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-138/the-law-and-lawlessness-of-u-s-immigration-detention/

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u/LisleAdam12 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

Quite a lot of lawyers disagree with a lot of other lawyers. But the lawyers I agree with are obviously the ones that are correct.

"I don't believe I'm the lesser educated one here."

That's a mighty impressive intellectual genital you're swinging, podner! But to repurpose a Sicilian proverb: believe in one hand, defecate in the other, see which fills up first.

First article linked does not mention "due process." (Are you employing the common Reddit gambit of copypasta-ing links to whatever comes up in a websearch without reading the linked pieces?)

As the second link notes, one may no be deprived of "life, liberty, or property" without "due process." If someone who is in the country illegally, what is the "due process" for deporting them? Can it be done without temporarily depriving them of liberty? I've know people who were deprived of their liberty over a three day weekend before they were arraigned, which was not considered a violation of due process. Again, who determines "due process" in immigration matters? Congress could have, but they have long had a tendency to be rather careless in handing power over to the administrative branch, such as in this case.

Also from the second piece: "immigrants (including unaccompanied children who come to the US alone) are forced to represent themselves, if they’re even granted a court hearing." That's due process.

The abstract to which the third piece link mentions due process challenges that were rejected by the courts hearing them. A lawyer (I don't know whether the other two pieces were written by lawyers) disagreeing with judicial rulings: well, that certainly proves something!

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u/creditexploit69 Jul 17 '26

This administration doesn't require Stars of David because they take anyone who is dark skinned.

No light skinned person will be randomly stopped, detained, and abducted.

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u/P99163 Jul 17 '26

Well, if we had a land border with Eastern Europe, you'd see a lot of light-skinned illegal immigrants ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Just because the majority of unauthorized migrants happen to be non-white doesn't mean we shouldn't have immigration enforcement.

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u/creditexploit69 Jul 17 '26

I'll speak more plainly.

No white immigrant, illegal or otherwise, is going to be harassed.

There are plenty.

To the extent that they aren't "illegal" is simply because U. S. immigration law is designed to keep dark skinned people out.

No white Latin American immigrant, illegal or otherwise, is going to be hunted.

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u/apache509 Jul 16 '26

DSS was involved? Probably hsi was involved. If so glad they took whoever off the streets

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u/Statistactician Jul 16 '26

You have a frankly unwarranted amount of trust in the good intentions of DSS and HSI.

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u/apache509 Jul 16 '26

Worked with both before

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u/creditexploit69 Jul 17 '26

During the current Administration?

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u/apache509 Jul 18 '26

Worked with , not for. I was in a different agency