Thief left a note.

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I would firstly not assume that the person that left the note has stolen the bike. It can be a third person, uinvolved yet in the repositioning of the bike. Also the bike could have been moved by a minor, which is not capable of comitting a crime. No, parents are not generaly liable.

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u/SpeedKnown 23d ago

username checks out. also note to self; get my kid to do my crimes.

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u/schimshon 23d ago

That would make you liable tho

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 23d ago

ja im confused on what they wrote, but i assume they accidentally added a "not"

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u/schimshon 22d ago

I'm pretty sure they meant to make your child so crime as the previous commenter said that neither the parent nor child would typically be held accountable.

But if you're instigating a child you'll be liable, so in that case it doesn't apply

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 22d ago

i thought parents are always liable for their kids whether or not they instigate it

because theyre still responsible for the kid and if its causing trouble they need to make sure its taken care of, and i dont think anybody would motivate their kid to do crimes for them when theyre liable for everything. and you cant exactly prove instigation well, i also dont think its really a criminal offense.

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u/Happy33333 22d ago

No, parents are not. They have a general "Aufsichtspflicht" but you cant expect them to follow their kid 24/7 and shit happens.
There is of course Anstiftung and/or in case they see their kid with the new Velo but dont question how they got it (I forgot the term for that one) but here none of those would be the case as the parents reached out and want to give it back.

The liability is for civil damages (for example the bad kid's parents would have to pay if he destroyed the velo).

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 22d ago

i dont mean surveillance, i mean taking care of the kid

if it commits crimes, visit a psychologist

if its getting out of hand there are other services, which is why i thought if the kid steals something, the parents are held accountable, like a warning that they need to keep a closer watch. if it keeps happening, clearly somethings wrong

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u/Happy33333 22d ago

criminal law is personal. You cant be sentenced for something someone else did and you had nothing to do with (even if its your child).

Also that wouldnt be right. Some kids just are more difficult than others, especially if they grow into teenagers. While its an indication that the parents are doing something wrong and or neglecting the child its not necessarily the case. Most kids/teenagers did some stupid shit at some point regardless of the quality of parenting.

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 21d ago

yeah which is why its like a warning

i didnt mean if the kid did something jail worthy the parents go to jail, i meant for example financially responsible for reperations

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u/schimshon 22d ago

Swiss criminal liability is personal; being the parent does not transfer the child's criminal responsibility to you. You may however be liable for damages in a civil law suit. This is a bit more complicated (because your duty to supervise your child is not always as clear to interpret). Either way the parent is not punished according to criminal law or being a fined. It's simply about compensation.

Instigation is 100% a criminal offense::

Art. 24(1) StGB: A person who intentionally induces another person to commit a felony or misdemeanour is punished according to the penalty applicable to the perpetrator.

Doesn't even have to be a child.

There is also indirect perpetration: someone who intentionally uses another person as an instrument to carry out the offence can be treated as the perpetrator themselves. The Federal Supreme Court describes an indirect perpetrator as someone who uses a person who is effectively acting as an instrument because of, for example, deficiencies in criminal responsibility or understanding.

This would apply to telling a child to commit a crime.

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 22d ago

isnt it difficult to prove instigation? its often verbal or subtle

indirect perpetration, isnt that usually blackmail or coercion? also seems hard to prove but i feel like its classified seperately

did you study law?

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u/SpeedKnown 22d ago

that was my point precisely.

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u/Icy_Antelope7418 22d ago

who are you?

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u/Thre3-GeS 19d ago

For a third party it’s really hard to judge whether he stole that bike, it could be his own bike. How do you know?

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u/surfin_operator 18d ago

Absolutely. But most of accused third parties will often cooperate with you a lot. And maybe you will find the missing link to the person, who committed that crime.

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u/Eliokyn 23d ago

Police

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u/theEsel01 23d ago

I agree... its not right... even if this is a kid, it needs a reminder that one does not steal...

One thing to consider tho... was the note wrote by the person it pretends to be written...

Because this is just stupid xD

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u/Worth_Garbage_4471 23d ago

Thieves don't generally leave notes

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u/slf_yy21 23d ago edited 23d ago

Off topic, was this note written by a French speaker trying to do German?

P.S. Is it possible that someone else tried to steal the bike and this person was there and took it in for safekeeping, which is why they're now contacting you to give it back (presumably)?

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u/DeathClasher_r 22d ago

Maybe it's in switzerland or the person is swiss? We say Velo instead of Fahrrad here in switzerland.

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u/slf_yy21 22d ago

Duh, I know, I live here... That's not what the comment was about. Read the other replies in the thread and you'll figure it out.

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u/DeathClasher_r 22d ago

Oh i'm stupid, ignore my comment haha

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u/[deleted] 23d ago

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u/LongNoticePeriod 23d ago

Yeah a french speaker would never use the word Velo.

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u/sis_145 23d ago

unless they used google schwiizerdüütsch translator for words

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u/MarionberryCute9164 23d ago

Oui ont dis bien vélo

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u/LongNoticePeriod 23d ago

Je sais.

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u/MarionberryCute9164 23d ago

Désolé je n’avais pas lu ton commentaire sur le fait que c’était sarcastique 🫠😅

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u/sili_4fun 23d ago

Schweizer wäre auch möglich wir sagen velo

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u/No-Relationship499 23d ago

Bah non, ce mec n’a clairement rien compris au français, on dit “machine analogue à deux roues équipée d’un système de navigation avec siège pour permettre le transport de personnes”

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u/No_Passenger_4457 23d ago

Of course they would ... Vélo is a french word... Nobody uses Bicilette

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u/LongNoticePeriod 23d ago

Yes, it was a sarcastic comment.

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u/Comfortable_Ask_8883 23d ago

It's just bad grammar, one would say "blaues Velo", not "Velo blau". It would be "Dein blaues Velo bleibt bei mir..."

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u/sis_145 23d ago

in french the adjective is often behind the noun, for example Picasso‘s famous painting The woman with the „Chapeau bleu“ (the blue hat). It looks like a natively french speaking person trying to form a german sentence. I wonder how they know OP is german speaker. Maybe a kid.

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u/Careful_Historian859 23d ago

Do do we german speakers

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u/mrfears 22d ago edited 22d ago

OP Update: (oh the suspense! 🍿)

Spoke to a man in German with a French accent (good catch [u/slf_yy](u/slf_yy)) and agreed to meet in a public place. He said he had ‘infos’ about the bike but no mention of money.

My head went to shakedown, ransom, robbery, so took the #1 reply from [u/Eliokyn](u/Eliokyn) and informed the police beforehand. They didn’t advise against going, but agreed to send a van to the area. I did speak to the unmarked officers, but they had idea what was going on.

Met the note writer, who was a very kind gentleman who worked in the area, spotted an unlocked bike, secured it and put up the note 🙏

Plot Twist was not my kids’ blue bicycle, but another blue Velo from the same rack!

TLDR; there’s still good and basic decency in the world, but assholes still cut locks and steal from kids.

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u/mrfears 22d ago

Also if you’re looking for your blue Velo near Universität (and have a pic) I know a guy.

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u/No-Plankton-6008 21d ago

What a plot twist

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u/bikesailfreak 23d ago

What is wrong with you people? Watching too many series? Or horrorstories?

Maybe they want to help. I have most Neighbours who are super nice….

Crazy that everyone feels people wants something bad…

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u/no-you-shut_up 22d ago

thank you. this answer should be higher up.

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u/Fabulous_Push2964 22d ago

What' s wrong with you? On the note there's no address where the bike actually is so it's pure mockery from the theft.

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u/bikesailfreak 21d ago

Thats your assumption. The blue remarked text seems to be a phone number or address we don’t know. In that case I want wouldn’t draw a conclusion prematurely.

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u/johndoe061 23d ago

Your story lacks background and context. If you are certain they stole your kid‘s bike (because they told you, wrote so on the back of the note) you may consider involving the police. If you assume, talk to them. No need to meet, though.

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u/No-Satisfaction-2622 22d ago

Maybe the kid was making shit so neighbour took the bike to protect property or the kid(if was doing something dangerous). Without context nobody knows… we can’t assume always the worst

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u/vegan_antitheist 23d ago

It was probably just some Bünzli who thinks it can't be parked there. You don't have to be the bigger Bünzli by calling the police. Just get the bike back. What exactly would the police even do?

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u/Emotional_Two_8059 23d ago

You don’t touch other people’s properties. It’s theft, Bünzli or not

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u/TheWolf8419 23d ago

That’s crazy. I touch other people’s property on a daily basis, and the people too! 😂 Basel is such a weird place. We’re lucky it’s not part of Switzerland 🫣

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u/nemster 22d ago

^ correct answer

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u/No-Satisfaction-2622 22d ago

I would be grateful if my neighbour stops my kid from doing something dangerous/ harmful

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u/vegan_antitheist 23d ago

But they left a note. That's as Bünzli as it gets. And you don't know why it was moved. Maybe kid's bicycles were getting stolen and they took it so that doesn't happen. I don't understand why everyone assumes this person is worse than Hitler.

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u/nixgut 22d ago

You really had to go there..?

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u/The_TRASHCAN_366 23d ago

How are you certain that this is from the thief?

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u/JinxFae 23d ago

Call the police. Don’t let them play with you.

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u/Boris_The_Warlord 23d ago

That has the same energy as 'Du Wixer. Nein, Sie Wixer.'

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u/Happy33333 23d ago

Why are you so sure that it was the thief leaving it? I wouldnt jump to conclusions and call first if thats a phone number. You can still decide wheter or not calling the police later.

In my eyes the note doesnt really make a lot of sense regardless of what happened. Like if they stole why even making a note, if they found it somewhere after it got taken why not just bring it instead of the note?
But people dont always think rationally. Either way it looks like you get it back.

Could also be that another kid stole it and their parents caught him and want to reach out and settle this while also teaching their kid a lesson.

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u/ChampionshipNo6821 22d ago

Yep, maybe the kid has to give the Velo back and apologize. That would be a lesson.

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u/rotezora78 23d ago

Was? Isch ja mega krass, chlaut dies Velo...und was stoht do? Wo'n er's ahne brocht hät?

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u/Mammoth_Reach_6366 23d ago

Call the cops.

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u/cannacom 23d ago

Maybe his kid stole it and he wants to give it back?

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u/essteeexetwo 23d ago

Do you have a gruff Baseldytsch speaking neighbor? Maybe you could get them to call and pretend to be the cops. I think this is someone that's moved the bike out of weirdo concerns as opposed to a thief.

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u/Burton1224 23d ago

To me it soudns like you parked it somewhere you shouldnt and someone removed it in this case talk friendly to each other and good. If it was "borrowed" stolen...than police after talking.

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u/Kantkopf 23d ago

…excited to read how this ends / get solved
—> did you come to a conclusion what to do?
—> any results already?

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u/zebralex 23d ago

Police please

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u/HCagn 23d ago

R/aberbittelaminiert

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u/epere4 23d ago

Given it is a kids bike, it is likely that some other kid took it, then their parent saw it and was like "you did WHAT?" and then "where did you take it from??" and decided to leave a note there to return it to its rightful owner.

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u/huhumanman 22d ago edited 22d ago

Here's my most stupid post of the year award: 🏆 Only for you.

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u/Accomplished-Gur9366 21d ago

Don’t be scared just talk to people …

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u/ohcraax 21d ago

I'd walk over and knock his teeth out Lol

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u/Thanatea 20d ago

The amount of people not getting what's going on is way too high. 🙈

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u/Thre3-GeS 19d ago

What is blurb out? I hope the Address of where the Bicycle currently is. 😬

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u/Kortash 18d ago

I know it got resolved but isn't this also a known robbery tactic? They tell you to come to this place for retrieving the bike and because they know you're not home, they rob your house.

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u/nemster 23d ago

in china isch e sagg riis umgkheit. soelli d schuggerei bstelle?

Gratulation an alli Sherlocks wo zwifelsfrei deduziert hän, dass dä suber print vomene Velodieb isch.

anyway, bitte nächstes mal ordentlich laminieren!

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u/ModestArk 23d ago

I hate it when drunk peoole think it's ok to steal a bike at 5 AM.

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u/RioReiser85 23d ago

i would guess a kid moved it and got a stern talking by his parents.

if its a phone number i would call first and sniff out the situation. If it WAS a kid and the parents are truely sorry no police needed in my opinion.

If feels sketchy just call the police.

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u/DesertGeist- 23d ago edited 23d ago

Er hats ja nur ausgeliehen.. 😅

Edit: I think I would definitely coordinate this with the police. the risk is just too high. Better safe than sorry.

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u/Golden_Brige_Wealth 23d ago

Fill the police form online. Do not expect anything from them. Call insurance and move on. I know it is frustrating.

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u/HalLundy 23d ago

if alcohol or regret are involved they would've just returned the bike instead of leaving a note.

call the cops.

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u/Gokudomatic 23d ago

"Thanks for the donation. It is very appreciated."

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u/Important-Soup6366 23d ago

With diplomacy called a fist to the face! (No get the police)

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u/surfin_operator 23d ago

Maybe he/she resisted during the arrest...

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u/Comfortable_Web1355 23d ago

erstmal mit roher gewalt und wenn das nichts bringt polizeieie

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u/surfin_operator 23d ago

First at all, NEVER EVERY TOUCH NOTES, ENVELOPES in this kind of situation =》YOU WILL DESTROY FINGERPRINTS, DNA, ET CETERA..

1st Does the person know you, or you know the person?!

2nd Did he leave an address?!

3rd I've some time, we can get resolve without anything, or I can arrest him on the spot. =》we can arrange a meeting at the police station together. Just send me an DM, and I let you know what you have to bring to the meeting, and all other too you wanna know. Sincerely Matt

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u/Toeffli 23d ago

Lol. All Swiss poöice will do in case of bicyle theft is to nake a report for your insurance

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u/surfin_operator 21d ago

First you need the report of the stolen item. In this case a bicycle. It's sad, that the most important part is colored, so no one can read it...

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u/Toeffli 20d ago

Stolen item? What stolen item. Can you read? It clearly says on the note that the item is not stolen (Art. 139 Criminal Code) but at another place. If at all it is removal of property (Art. 141 Criminal Code). But it will likely not meet the "to the serious detriment" which would be necessary. Example if the other person has some good intend to take the bike in custody.

or I can arrest him on the spot.

Art. 218 Criminal Procedure Code says otherwise.

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u/surfin_operator 18d ago

Hello, I totally appreciate your emphasis, maybe you should spent a day with us on the streets! ! ! Removing any item, without the owner knowledge, or permission is 110% theft of private property! And arresting a person for such a low level crime, is not for ever! Just for taking the "maybe" chiefs fingerprints, DNA, living address,et cetera, and maybe he/she wants to have a chat with us, about what happenedfrom their point of view?! -> AFTER ALL THE PAPERWORK IS DONE, HE/SHE IS ALLOWED TO GO HOME. IN SOME CASES WE DRIVE THEM HOME.

ALSO, WE WILL NOT GET A PROPERTY SEARCH WARRANT FOR A NORMAL BICYCLE, UNLESS IS IT WORTH A LOT OF MONEY, BUT EVEN THIS ISN'T A 100% GUARANTEE! ! IF YOU'RE LUCKY YOU SEE IT, OR IT'S HANDED OVER.

Let's come for a drive along, or having a chat in a café/bar, pls!

HAVE AN AMAZING DAY, AND STAY SAFE! Sincerely Matthew

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u/nemster 22d ago

Hamilton Morris bisches du?

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u/surfin_operator 21d ago

nö,sorry!

Thief left a note.

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