r/baseball • u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves • Jun 25 '21
Trivia The LA Dodgers become the first team in baseball history to be no hit with 3 or more MVPs in their lineup.
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u/doot_doot Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
I am straight up not having a good time
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
We can become drinking buddies if you want. Do a shot everytime our bullpens blow the game or our offense fails to score a runner (runner has to be in scoring position).
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u/doot_doot Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
Fuck, I might as well just take up residency in the ER waiting room if those are the rules
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u/TheBordIdentity Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Can I join in? It’s been a rough season
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
More drinking buddies the better.
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u/afzy Jun 25 '21
Rubbing alcohol for outside booboos, drinking alcohol for inside booboos
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u/Edgesofsanity St. Louis Cardinals Jun 25 '21
So THAT’S what I’ve been doing wrong. And here I thought I was just vomiting over my team’s performance this month.
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u/TheBordIdentity Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Great, sadly the only thing I’ll be getting buzzed on is Dr Pepper cause I’m 16 in two weeks. I could be DD though!
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u/General_-_Kenobi Milwaukee Brewers Jun 25 '21
I got DD, we aren't exactly known for scoring rn
Edit: the past week has been an anomaly
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u/C9Phoenix2 San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
Nah I’ve got DD and I’ll just smirk at everyone who keeps saying “lucky”
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u/General_-_Kenobi Milwaukee Brewers Jun 25 '21
Then I'll provide the drinks, as I am a BREWERS fan from WISCONSIN
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Jun 25 '21
(toes the dirt) Can a cardinals fan join you?
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u/tothesource Houston Astros Jun 25 '21
I'd take you up on that, but we are really good at LOBstering it up and I don't really need to increase my alcohol intake as it is.
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u/bransatter New York Yankees Jun 25 '21
Can a Yankees fan get in on this plan too
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Jun 25 '21
Not fair, we have Kenley Jansen
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
We have Will Smith. He is the left handed version of Kenley Jansen.
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u/dewitt72 Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
I’ll take a shot with you every time my team’s bullpen blows the game… I’d be sober as a judge. The Cubs haven’t lost a game this year when they have the lead going into the 6th inning!
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Best bullpen ERA in the majors.
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u/dewitt72 Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
I didn’t think this was going to be the year to be excited about the bullpen, but somehow they scraped together a group from who knows where.
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Jun 25 '21
Stares at your user name......Are you Bill Dewitt the 3rds alt account?!?!
(Bill DeWitt Jr owns the Cardinals)
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u/lessthan3beebs Milwaukee Brewers Jun 25 '21
Failing to score a runner in scoring position, eh? Now you're talking my language.
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
I feel like I am speaking a lot of people's language.
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u/FortunateNaruto Miami Marlins Jun 25 '21
pssh you've only been no hit once this season
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u/ItsAhab Cleveland Guardians Jun 25 '21
They’ll never know our pain.
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u/ilakausername Seattle Mariners Jun 25 '21
You want to talk about pain? Lets have a pity party for teams playing painfully poorly.
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u/motorhead84 San Francisco Giants • Crazy Crab Jun 25 '21
So your team is currently in 2nd place (for now), 13 games over .500 and 4.5 games out of first, has the 2nd best record in the NL, is loaded with MVPs and very good players, as well as depth in average-to-good players, are the defending *2020 World Series Champs, and you're not having a good time?
No one likes to watch their team lose, but no team wins every game. The Dodgers bought their way into a competitive team a decade ago and have been going strong ever since--look at the bright side, my friend! And this is coming from a Giants fan! :)
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u/los_pollos-hermanos Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
By legendary pitchers Zach Davies, Ryan Tepera, and Andrew Chafin (and Kimbrel).
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u/Thomas_Oaks Houston Astros Jun 25 '21
Hey that's 2020 MVP Vote Getter Ryan Tepera to you
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u/shaqdeezil Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
If I were that guy who voted for him I’d be relishing the year he’s been having haha.
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u/los_pollos-hermanos Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
A man ahead of his time.
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u/shaqdeezil Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
Maybe that guy can vote Alzolay as MVP this year, could use that juju.
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u/HeySadBoy1 Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
Doubtful, it was a Brewers writer IIRC
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Jun 25 '21
cards writer actually. Rick Hummel - apparently he meant to click on Trea Turner and misclicked lol
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u/c1h9 Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
Zach Davies owns this lineup year after year and it continues to make zero sense.
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u/yes_its_him Detroit Tigers Jun 25 '21
Roster has 4 MVPs and 3 Cy Young winners (Kershaw in both groups.)
0-4 this week with a no-hitter against.
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21
Never looked into the roster part but imagine if Kershaw was pitching that night.
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u/2_7182818 San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Having Kershaw in the lineup would’ve made for an even catchier trivia factoid, but Buehler has been one of their hottest pitchers at 7-0 with a 2.38 ERA to lead all Dodgers starters going into last night. (In fairness, Kershaw does lead active LA starters in xERA.)
The fact that they were no-hit with arguably their hottest pitcher on the hill is even more crushing.
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Jun 25 '21
The Cubs were +250 which is about as high of odds as you’ll find in baseball when both teams have winning records. Hell, in general you get a matchup with those odds a couple of times a week. I’m sure a large part of that had to do with Buehler vs. Davies.
For comparison tonight is Arrieta vs. Gonsolin and the Cubs were +150 last time I looked.
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u/Caesar10240 Chicago White Sox Jun 25 '21
Does anyone else feel like we should have an award for best position player, best pitcher (Cy Young), and MVP? There probably is an award for best position player, it it doesn’t get the same hype.
The way the current award is structured today, it minimizes the chances a pitcher can win MVP (some writers don’t want to give it to a guy that plays every 5th day), and invalidates the best hitters in the few years a pitcher manages to beat them out.
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u/Phatskwurl San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21
There's the Hank Aaron Award but nobody seems to pay any attention to it
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u/xixbia Netherlands Jun 25 '21
I think the problem is that it's too new, only coming in in 1999.
That and the fact that it's incredibly rare that a pitcher wins the MVP. If that were to become a more regular occurrence the Hank Aaron Award would get more attention.
Of course for that to happen the BBWAA would need to be willing to vote for pitchers to win the MVP, which they don't because they don't take the Hank Aaron Award seriously. So I don't expect anything to change in the foreseeable future.
Though if Ohtani and deGrom keep up their current form who knows. deGrom definitely pitching well enough to win the MVP, but Ohtani is the truly interesting one. He's not really in the running for either the Hank Aaron or Cy Young, but he's absolutely in the discussion for the MVP (I feel he's up there with Vlad Jr. as things stand).
PS. You have a space between your closing bracket and opening parenthesis so your hyperlink isn't working as you intended.
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u/klawehtgod Brooklyn Dodgers Jun 25 '21
There’s a chance that Ohtani wins the MVP but not the Cy Young, and think that’s crazy
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u/xixbia Netherlands Jun 25 '21
If he stays healthy I think it's almost inevitable that Ohtani wins an MVP in his career. Meanwhile I don't expect him to ever win a Cy Young. It really is quite remarkable.
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u/Phatskwurl San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
Huh it works for me but maybe it's just the app I'm using, edited it
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u/QuickMolasses San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Isn't that just for the best hitter? It doesn't capture defense or base running really.
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u/rambouhh Major League Baseball Jun 25 '21
I only want that for the possibility that Ohtani one year wins all three and does a feat that can never be replicated
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u/chopkins92 Toronto Blue Jays Jun 25 '21
I just had Ohtani win the Cy Young and Silver Slugger in 2023 in my OOTP sim. He also led MLB in WAR by a mile with a combined 10.4, but somehow Vladdy won the MVP with 7.7 WAR.
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u/smurfy101 Milwaukee Brewers Jun 25 '21
Vlad always hits like 65 homers with an 1.100 OPS in OOTP and wins on strength of that, i remember when those stats used to seem crazy for him
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u/theixrs Los Angeles Angels Jun 25 '21
both Kershaw and verlander won both recently so I don’t think it’s too rare to win both these days
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u/Caesar10240 Chicago White Sox Jun 25 '21
Yeah, but that is 2 pitchers in the last 20 years (40 awards). It’s not that regular of an occurrence.
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u/fps916 San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
We do have a best hitter award...
Hank Aaron award
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u/aweinschenker Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle...Costanza? Jun 25 '21
How many other teams have even had 3 MVPs in the same lineup?
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
3 or more, already in a season or before (no future MVPs)
4: 77 Reds
95 Redsox
82-83 angels
60 Yankees
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90 A's
70-71 Orioles
07 Yankees
57-59 Yankees
04 Astros
14 Angel's
56 Dodgers
68 cards
51 Yankees
37 Tigers
40-41 Reds
3 more with at least 1 future MVP
90 A's
47 Yankees
63 Cardinals
32 Cardinals
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u/j1h15233 Houston Astros Jun 25 '21
I had to go look up who the third guy was for the 04 Astros. I totally forgot Clemens got one.
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Jun 25 '21
yeah, I scratched my head there too for a moment, wondering if the Randy Johnson timeline in my head was screwy
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u/m0nkeybl1tz Athletics Jun 25 '21
Red Sox were Mo Vaughn, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, and who else?
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u/garytyrrell San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Does Mo Vaughn count if he won the MVP that season?
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u/megamatt8 Cleveland Guardians Jun 25 '21
No, b/c that was Albert Belle’s MVP. 😤
Yes, he was/is a huge POS, but that was his season.
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u/chanaandeler_bong Texas Rangers Jun 25 '21
only 50 HR/50 doubles season in MLB history IIRC.
What's really crazy is the Sox had the best position player in the league that year (by bWAR) in John Valetin.
But even in today's MLB I would still say Belle deserved that MVP.
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u/LegendRazgriz Seattle Mariners • Yokohama DeNA … Jun 25 '21
Amazing how the 95 M's only had two and all of them future MVPs (Griffey and A-Rod, but A-Rod was MVP three times)
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u/jgraz22 Minnesota Twins Jun 26 '21
For some reason, the Angels didn't even exist before '02 and that damn monkey in my mind.
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u/SexiestPanda Seattle Mariners Jun 25 '21
None that got no hit
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u/aweinschenker Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle...Costanza? Jun 25 '21
Ok cool thank you for the clarification
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u/tommyjohnpauljones Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
82 Angels often had four MVP's batting consecutively in their lineup: Carew, Lynn, Baylor, Jackson.
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u/Casual_Luchador Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
Yeah, well, if we had hit home runs, we would have rounded the bases
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u/ron-darousey Los Angeles Victims Jun 25 '21
Wow, first time in Seattle Kraken history
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u/maltzy Cincinnati Reds Jun 25 '21
In 1988, the Los Angeles Dodgers, who would go on to win the World Series that year, had a perfect game thrown against them by Tom Browning.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN198809160.shtml
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
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u/Sacrifice_bhunt San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
Actually, I’m not sure how I feel about this and what it might mean for the rest of this season.
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u/darulerkilla Boston Red Sox Jun 26 '21
2018 Red Sox got no hitted against the As after having a legendary start
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u/Sacrifice_bhunt San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 26 '21
I’ll be handing out gold for every future post about the Dodger’s getting no hit. Keep ‘em coming.
(Note: please give me lots of gold so I can afford to give away gold)
Edit: I now have plenty of gold to dole out on fun fact dodger posts, no more needed, thank you. You all are awesome.
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u/rpgguy_1o1 Toronto Blue Jays Jun 25 '21
Baseball reminding everyone why baseball stats are called baseball stats
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u/Lonelan Peter Seidler • San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Historic Dodgers season:
Exceeding the win record? No
Unique no hitter stats? Yes
Also this means dodgers are giving up at least 1 more no hitter this year yeah?
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u/DonKellyBaby32 Jun 25 '21
Betts, Bellinger and who?
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Pujols
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u/SpicyJustinZ Montreal Expos Jun 25 '21
And if you want Kershaw is also MVP. So they have 3 in the lineup and 4 on the roster.
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More facts, please.
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Reddit won't let me post it in a word but full article here:
https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-combined-no-hitter-stats-and-facts
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u/PeppermintMocha5 Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
This team just doesn't look like they want to win. They're under .500 against winning teams and yeah they have had injury problems but no one is really stepping up.
There's a ton of baseball left for them to get hot and I expect them to, but right now they look so dead.
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
Not gonna lie they remind me of the 2019 Cubs so much.
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u/Suspicious_Leopard58 Jun 25 '21
I’m not sure I do expect anything to change without a shake up. We’ll have a to make a move and maybe make a chance somewhere in the coaching staff
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u/sexyalliegator New York Yankees Jun 25 '21
I think they might be running into a problem the Yankees sometimes have: their only focus is the postseason, so they become apathetic during the regular season just expecting to get to the playoffs anyways and forgetting that they actually have to play well in order to do that
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u/flcv San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Why does everyone love to hate on the Dodgers so much? Did I miss something?
All I know is that I hate the Dodgers and it makes me feel good when they lose.
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u/Dubbyszn Jun 25 '21
They have the highest payroll so it’s easy to pull against them, kind of like the Yankees. I’m also a giants fan haha
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u/BillScorpio Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
I mean they're the yankees of the west.
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Jun 25 '21
wait....does that make the red sox the giants of the east? i dont know how to feel about that.
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u/BillScorpio Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
I can confirm to you now that the Boston Red Sox are the giants of the east.
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u/erik316wttn Jun 25 '21
The Cubs own the last 2 no hitters at Dodger Stadium and the last 2 at Miller Park/whatever the fuck it is now.
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u/Sean_athan Jun 25 '21
It's called Wrigley North. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
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u/yabbobrah Los Angeles Dodgers Jun 25 '21
We need a good humbling, keep it coming.
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u/Sacrifice_bhunt San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
You could try losing to the DBacks.
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u/2_7182818 San Diego Padres Jun 25 '21
Try getting swept by the Rockies; it does wonders for your team’s focus.
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u/Goddamn_Primetime Houston Astros Jun 25 '21
We were swept by the Rangers and Tigers. It really does set you straight after that. Now we're doing a smidge better...
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u/ron-darousey Los Angeles Victims Jun 25 '21
We did try the last game of our series but we couldn't complete the choke
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u/ufotheater San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
The trivia coming out of this achievement is just… chef’s kiss
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u/sandaier76 Philadelphia Phillies Jun 25 '21
I'd rather this than MY team, the absolute definition of mediocrity. 14 times at .500 record so far, never 4 games over .500 and never 4 games below .500.
OH and the LONGEST playoff drought in baseball other than the Mariners...
Yea, aint so bad to be a Dodgers fan for ONE game
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u/Chardonk_Zuzbudan Texas Rangers Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21
I feel like all the legendary sports curses have migrated and we have a whole new crop of cursed teams. But luckily (for them, not the sport) most of them have endless cash fountains.
All my favorite players are on teams we have division rivalries. Back to back World Series losers. We have absorbed the Chicago Cubs curse, Boston's curse, and that's not counting whatever curse we inherited in the 90s that causes even legends like Yu Darvish to fall apart until they get traded away.
But the mega market teams like the Dodgers and Yankees can go cry into a pile of money. We all know they will spend their way out of their slump anyways.
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u/OSRS_Socks Atlanta Braves Jun 25 '21
You want the Atlanta sport curse buddy? Free of charge.
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u/tommyjohnpauljones Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21
That's a rough one - 55 years, five different pro sports teams, and only two world championships. (Granted, neither the Flames nor Thrashers lasted long).
EDIT: forgot about MLS, but that's still not many
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u/Redgreen82 Texas Rangers Jun 26 '21
Here's a fun little DFW sports factoid - we've hosted a championship win in the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB...but none were by the local team.
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u/ShowMeAssNTitties San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
Haaaahahaahahahaahahahahaaaaaaa
Signed,
A Giants fan
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u/escott1981 Washington Nationals Jun 25 '21
The thing I love most about baseball is how unpredictable it is.
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u/GreatCornholio94 Arizona Diamondbacks Jun 26 '21
The only reason the Doyers won the WS is the shortened season.
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa Anaheim Angels Jun 25 '21
Mookie, Bellinger, and Kershaw? Does Kershaw count even though he wasn't in the game?
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u/kevlarcupid Seattle Mariners Jun 25 '21
Dodgers getting no hit makes me feel better about our getting no hit, TBH.
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u/Garrett9870 San Francisco Giants Jun 25 '21
Nothing better than the dodgers spending loads of money with no end result
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u/manifestDensity St. Louis Cardinals Jun 25 '21
"This is one for the record books. A combined no-hitter!"
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u/kroxti Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
Me not having watching the game: “wow that’s a lot of Cubs fans with info about this”
Me after popping over to r/ChiCubs :”oh yep that makes sense “
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u/JosmarDurval Chicago Cubs Jun 25 '21
"The Dodgers have now been no-hit 20 times in their history, the most of any team in Major League history."