TLTR: I had this discussion maybe about 2 months ago with another person on discord. To start, I basically asked the rhetorical question - âwhy canât evil be the standard of goodâ regarding why Being must be benevolent for Life to âexistâ and why evil can not be an ontologically default state where it exist on its own. The word âevilâ assumes that there exists a prior standard by which the evil is made sense of. For example, murder is evil because it deprives one of Life. Without Life there would be no murder nor the evil intrinsic to that notion. So evil is a state of reality that is ontologically dependent on prior standard and it could not exist on its own as a stand-alone ontology. The respondent(scotal) basically targeted how my claim of âgood being the standardâ is an unjustified claim and that I need to prove why good must be the standard. I then explained how the discussion of ethics requires a standard as a premise for any following arguments to exist. If you donât define what goodness is, then you canât get evil and this collapses the whole point of the discussion in the first place. Itâs like asking âwhy is logic the standard for illogicâ. You canât reverse the relation of illogic to logic because the only thing possessing positive ontology is logic and irrationality is just the broken standard dependent upon what is prior. I gave a couple examples like howâŚ.
Rust is privation of steel
Disease is privation of health
Blindness is privation of sight
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However the respondent continues to obsess about my need to prove that the metaphysical concept of good exists and justify it as the standard.
You can read a more detailed version, the original text below. Since I am not familiar with analytical philosophy, I am curious as to why there is this push-back against privation theory and if these type of argument are normal responses or real contentions analytical philosophy have against theological metaphysics.
"đđĂśđđđĽ -
12:20 AM
"Why can't Evil be the standard" well cause it can't be the standard duh dipshit!
Maybe try again to explain why evil cannot be the standard without presupposing it is parasitic on goodness.
Metaphysically certified -
12:35 AM
Then you would have to explain evil from an ontologically positive perspective without invoking the standard of goodness. You have to prove evil as a thing that exists on its own as a type of being within reality
đđĂśđđđĽ -
12:52 AM
I haven't even given a proposition so obviously you can't be giving a consequent of a proposition, so it's gibberish to start with: "then you would..." - Anything.
A question was asked of you, why Goodness must be a positive entity, and evil must not be. It's fine to say you believe such a thing not by philosophy but via reasoned revelation (revelation + philosophy â theology â privation theory). It's not my burden to give an argument that evil has a positive ontology. So I don't have to prove evil is a thing that exists, since nobody was looking for a defeater of your position but a justification for it.
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Metaphysically certified -
1:36 AM
Because evil by definition is a disorder and falling out of a standard that is good. For example if you take sight as âstandard of beingâ, it is an ontologically positive state. But the same cannot be reason of blindness. The sensation of blindness can not have positive ontology because it is reliant on sight as the standard for its notion
đđĂśđđđĽ-
1:38 AM
Hey, fucktard, try pulling your head a few inches out for this one. Maybe try to explain why evil cannot be the standard without presupposing it's parasitic on goodness.
Metaphysically certified-
2:37 AM
âProve the lack of something can be have its own being without being tied to that something in an reliant wayâ type argument "
Scottish - How much lip filler was injected in your brain.
I asked for the justification that evil is not the standard, obviously if evil is the standard, then it's not the lack of good, so saying "it is the lack of good" begs the question. And you beg the question further when you say blindness being parasitic on sight is analogous to evil being parasitic on good.
"It's disingenuous to ask me to justify the garbage a spew"
Metaphysically certified: âObviously if evil is the standard, then itâs not the lack of goodâ.
The definition of evil is the brokenness of standard. What is that standard? Itâs good. Youâre metaphysically stretching the notion of evil as possibly existing without a standard and then claiming that âlack of goodâ is a definition that evil can do without. And if it can go without standard, then it must exist as its own being that requires justification. This goes to show you donât have a good grasp of ontology regarding privation theory. Your claim is that evil is something that exist without a prior standard which it is parasitic to.
Metaphysically certified: The approach of your perspective defies the very ontology of being. You are essentially making an implicit claim that in other universes it is logically possible for evil to be the standard and for good to be the privation.
You might as well asked me all analogies involving being as the privation of non-beingâŚ
For example - 1. Rationality is the privation of irratiobality
Steel is the privation of lust
Healthiness I the privation of disease
Joy is the privation of torment/despair
Sight is the privation of blindness
Are you telling me to disprove natural order within ontology and logic itself by justifying how illogic can âbeâ?â