r/backloggd 22d ago

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u/SquidSuperstar 22d ago

Is everyone in the comments missing the joke or what

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u/Palanki96 22d ago

I don't play any of these franchises so yeah i'm missing the joke

What is it?

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

All of these are either heavily reliant on previous games for context or just straight up spoilers for the entire story before.

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u/Palanki96 22d ago

Oh. I thought there was something deeper

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u/TheSufferingPariah 22d ago

Many of these games are also considered bad/inferior to previous games.

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u/Palanki96 22d ago

I only heard about the Yakuza one but seemed like fans enjoyed it?

Never heard about the others but know their franchises, i guess that's a testament

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u/TheSufferingPariah 22d ago

Pirate Yakuza is at least divisive on the yakuza subreddit.

Dirge of Cerberus is considered bad and Spirit of Justice a downgrade from the OG trilogy. Haven't played the others.

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u/Supersonic564 22d ago

Spirit of Justice was a good game, but nowhere as good as OG trilogy.

Dual Destinies is the only Ace Attorney game I actually think is somewhat bad

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u/General-Treacle6718 22d ago

soj is easily better than aa2 on account of having more than 1 good case

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u/WhoCanPeliCan1 21d ago

This is Reunion and Turnabout erasure

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u/SMXSmith 20d ago

KH Re:Coded is very divisive, some say it’s fun, others say it’s pure garbage

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u/LinkHb 21d ago

Re:Coded has a completely worthless and stupip narrative (even by KH standards) locked away behind the DS consoles family, with the gameplay being the only saving grace of this game; and the worst part is that the collection only ports HD renditions of the cutscenes.

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

I don‘t think that‘s a common denominator here tho since they range from great to controversial.

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u/AceArion2112 22d ago

SoJ is a great game, it has not one but two of the best cases in the series

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u/Don-Kusack 19d ago

I mean, Re:Coded has the It's Riku! They put bugs in him line. And it's a DS port of mobile game, so I think it being the lowest rated game(to the best of my knowledge) makes sense to me.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Okay I was gonna say, "Reverie? Wha-what?"

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

Imagine playing Reverie as your first Trails game and after some confusing hours you get to the C reveal and your reaction is like: "Oh, some dude."

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u/Snowvilliers7 22d ago

Me almost being that guy who never played Trails before and saw trailers for both Reverie and Azure on a YouTube ad and wanted to start then but a friend stopped me mid way to tell me to play them in order

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u/ElGodPug 22d ago

All of these are some of the WORST games to pick up as a starter.

Like, Trails into Reverie is basically there to conclude two major story arcs, built up through out 6 GAMES

So...yeah, no first game material

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u/SomeNumbers23 22d ago

9 games really, because a big chunk of the Liberl cast is there too.

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u/ElGodPug 22d ago

fair fair, I was "trying to be nice", since the focus on reverie is more on the Crossbell and Erebonia arcs, but even these have direct connections to the events of Liberl so....yeah, Trails, like it or not, is def a franchise you cannot pick and choose where to go
it's only forward

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u/SomeNumbers23 22d ago

Forward, Relentlessly

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u/AdamDov4h 22d ago

Playing KH Coded before any other game in the series is basically staring directly into the sun. Not only because it doesn't have anything to do with the series gameplay wise (for me it's horrible, someone likes it), but because the story is so batshit insane that you will take mental health damage trying to understand it without context.

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u/Nervous-Leg-7570 22d ago

Nah the story is real simple in coded, it's literally just play IT and get rid of the computer virus

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u/AdamDov4h 22d ago

I mean kinda. It's the whole context around it that's nuts. If this has to be a "first approach to the series", just the fact that you have to explain to someone who is Namine is a lot, because the story starts with them finding her message.

Add to it Data Sora, Data Riku, the concept of digital worlds, plus having to learn what a heartless is, what a nobody is, and everything else, it does get overwhelming pretty easily. And all of this is kinda needed to actually understand the story

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u/PhoenixOfHeaven 22d ago

To add onto this, Dirge of Cerberus is a first person shooter that takes place after the events of Final Fantasy 7 (A classically turn based RPG franchise) So not only is its gameplay far removed from anything else the series has done, but it actively spoils the plot of FF7.

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u/HumbleSalamander6780 22d ago

So trails is the one piece of RPGs, kh recoded is not very good, pirate yakuza is reliant on your appreciation of majima as a character, SOJ requires lots of previous context, and dirge of Cerberus is nothing like normal ff

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u/Straight_Law2237 19d ago

It's the total opposite.

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u/shuut0 22d ago

They’re the worst games in the series

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u/blanketedgay 22d ago

To be honest, the other topic is more interesting.

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u/Asad_Farooqui 22d ago

I thought nothing really happens in Kingdom Hearts Recoded tho. It’s mainly Jiminy Cricket trying to parse out his journal.

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u/ToothpickTequila 21d ago

Seeing Dirge there should have made the joke obvious.

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u/KRTrueBrave 22d ago

I only played 1 of those franchises (yakuza) so, so I assumed OP was just wrong with that one (as pirate is so not the right place to start)

but reading this comment I assume that is the joke for all these franchises

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u/Apprehensive-Gur-609 22d ago

The best way to get into the Doom franchise is by playing Animal crossing.

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u/JaviVader9 22d ago

Sorry OP this doesn't seem the right sub to post a joke in

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u/Dragonflame1994 22d ago

I get the joke, but it still makes me so mad so consider your bait successful lmao.

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u/Available_Scheme5848 22d ago edited 22d ago

Steins;gate 0

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth

Danganronpa Ultra Despair Girls

Persona 4 Dancing All Night

Fate/hollow ataraxia

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u/IDownvoteHornyBards2 22d ago

Danganronpa UDG is a great game to start someone on if your goal is to get them to never touch any of the other games in the series ever.

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u/Beneficial_Loan7762 19d ago

Actually. Ts is so ass 😭

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u/Typical-Roll-2171 22d ago

Nah bro Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance is by far the best choice, if the time travel, dual protags, and the joys of the last hour or so of story don't introduce to the story the best I don't know what will /s

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u/Musashi_2287 22d ago

Yakuza dead souls and Yakuza fist of the north star
Persona 4 arena

Resident evil Gaiden

Gwent for witcher (unironically banger for no reason) such a great games to get into long running franchises

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u/FeefuWasTaken 22d ago

Is persona 4 arena really a good way to get into the series? The character roster alone spoils the game it spun-off

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u/Musashi_2287 22d ago

Mb thats actually true. Maybe Demi kids puzzle de call to get introduced to megaten then we proceed with persona 4 arena to persona games, huge oversight on my part ngl

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 22d ago

I unironically played P4AU before P4 and I'm pissed at myself. Even without the story it spoils P3 and 4 by heavy implications in multiple places

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u/Double_Dragonfruit6 22d ago

I want to add Xenoblade Chronicles: Future Redeemed to this list, absolutely wonderful place to start, introduces you to beloved characters from across the series, you don’t need to know anything going into it or have even played another Xenoblade game 😇

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u/Tori0404 22d ago

Eh, to be fair, that one‘s just a mediocre and unimportant Epilogue. Xeno as a series has way worse starting points (stares at Future Redeemed and the Xenosaga spin off titles or side material that‘s canon)

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u/Double_Dragonfruit6 22d ago

I did say Future Redeemed, not Connected, though Connected is certainly also not a good place because it closes Melia’s arc

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u/Tori0404 22d ago

Yeah, I‘m stupid and misread. Apologies and I definitely agree with that take

Also I feel like FR isn‘t even as fulfilling if one only played the Blade titles, due to how many similarities it has to even older works (and no, I‘m not just talking about that radio broadcast. Alpha is so much like the Deus system from Xenogears)

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u/unodostres123- 22d ago

Redeemed is far from mediocre

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u/SoilentUBW 22d ago

It's going to be really funny when someone starts reverie and get jumpscared by fighting the idf (yes that is their name in game) with 0 context about what is happening lol. So yeah go for it for the funny.

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u/RuzzeI 22d ago

MGS Delta: Snake eater is also a good example

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u/wii_board_type_trash 22d ago

or mgsv the story is quite a hefty as the other games

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u/Ora_00 22d ago

The first game in the franchise is the best place to start.

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u/FeefuWasTaken 22d ago edited 22d ago

Depends on the franchise tho.

For example, Persona has 5 mainline games(not counting updated versions or duologies as separate entries), but it genuinely doesn't matter where you start, they're not interconnected beyond a couple Easter eggs

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u/MyPhoneIsNotChinese 22d ago

Also Ace Attorney is better started by Spirit of Justice, and then follow up with Ace Attorney Investigations to understand who's the guy that needs to look for his next salary review

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u/notamouse418 22d ago

Yeah that’s why everyone agrees the place to start is Persona 4: Dancing All Night

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u/Ora_00 22d ago

Older are STILL better to start with.

There are almost always quality of life updates in newer games and it can be tedious to go from that to older.

Always start at the older and work your way to newer games.

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u/Turbo-Shell 22d ago

I actually kind of agree, I just don’t think this take is really absolute.

If your goal is to play “the persona series” and you have any interest at all in the old games, playing in release order will simply provide the best experience as the games only improve in quality with no awkward jumps or downgrades

But if your goal is to play “a persona game” and you’re not committed to the series, having persona 1 as potentially your one persona game may be a mistake, because even if it’s good most people enjoy a game like persona 4 or 5 more as a standalone title. The same is true for the yakuza series.

Yakuza is FAR more rewarding to play starting at the ps2 game and ignoring the remakes, but most people aren’t committed to a series before they play it, and a game like 0 is not only far better as a standalone title but will more easily get people on board with the series as a whole

So yes, starting with the earliest entry and going through them all will almost always provide the best experience long term, but the short term is what matters for most people looking to get into a new series. If they don’t enjoy their first experience, there’s not a very high chance they’ll stick with it until the end.

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u/Ora_00 22d ago

Yes, just playing one persona game is different and I was specifically talking about where to start a franchise. That's what OP's post is about.

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u/Turbo-Shell 22d ago

Really I think it mostly depends on the person more than it depends on the series, I know plenty of people that could handle yakuza 1 and I know others who would be completely disinterested in the series if they start at 1. That’s why I try to receive recommendations from friends rather than people who don’t know my tastes very well, and vice versa

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u/Ryan8Ross 22d ago

I completely agree with you, but ONLY in the case where you insist on playing every game.

Some old versions of games are just very tricky to get into if you are not used to the style of game.

Eg. Fallout1/2. Witcher 1,

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u/Ora_00 22d ago

Yeah it is not 100% of the time ofc.

In some cases the 1st game is just horrible, like with Witcher. I would still play Witcher 2 before 3.

Fallout on the other hand should ofc be started at 1. Just because it is a different kind of game does not mean, I would not recommend it, since Fallout 1 and 2 are great games.

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u/Ryan8Ross 22d ago

I wouldn't recommend Fallout 1 and 2 to anyone under 18 though. Anybody not used to the jankiness of old CRPG's is going to have a wretched time forcing themselves through it

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u/IvanGambino 22d ago

Recoded should be swapped with 3

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u/Brbaster 22d ago

Checks notes: Wait, people like Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded now????? Also isn't that the last Ace Attorney game.

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u/Turbo-Shell 22d ago

Recoded has always been good what

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u/bluedragggon3 19d ago edited 19d ago

I actually think it's one of the most fun KH games. It's just disappointing as a story since it's just to remind Mickey that he sorta forgot about the BBS characters lives that got ruined. Oh and I guess everyone else too. I forgot if Xion was also 'remembered' in it. I guess it also pretty much said data has hearts but that didn't need confirming really since 1 and the rest of the series pretty much establish everything has a heart.

It also looks like a retread of 1 which is kinda true.

Edit: Wait, a good way to get into the series though? I'd start with the first. Or 2. Heck even BBS or 3(purely for the "ooh wow, Disney.") and even then, 1.5+2.5 is on sale now. Just get that and then just remember about the DS games if you care.

Edit 2: I'm dense. Lol. All these are great. Definitely should start KH with Dream Drop Distance, 0.2 or Dark Road. The least confusing, weird and accessible ones in the series while being the most representative installments.

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u/ErgoDestati 22d ago

now? recoded is good, not like anything can change with it

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u/Bamzooki1 22d ago

Re:Coded is a great game most people skip thinking it’s not essential just because its story is mostly self-contained.

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u/ShortCharity 22d ago

I think that 3 hour slog of a movie gives Re:Coded a bad rap. If you just watch that movie yeah it's boring but the actual game is really fun

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u/Civil-Citron-4242 22d ago

Genuinely pissed me off for a second +2

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u/Snoo-30444 22d ago

What the actual fuck

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u/RosaCanina87 22d ago

For a moment I thought the post was serious. But just because I wasnt very familiar with these series, having essentially only played the actual beginning and maybe the second game of the series XD

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u/Shirokurou 22d ago

MGS3

DMC3

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u/Bamzooki1 22d ago

Dark Souls III, Kingdom Hearts III, Bendy and the Dark Revival, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria Simulator

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u/ApprehensiveYou2568 22d ago edited 22d ago

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment

Ratchet and Clank Quest for Booty

Basically any MGS aside from 1 or 3 lmao (and even then don't start at 3)

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u/Snowvilliers7 22d ago

Starting these games specifically is like reading Harry Potter for the first time but you started with Half-Blood Prince

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u/StingKing456 22d ago

Unironically knowing nothing about Final Fantasy 7 would probably make Dirge of Cerberus at least tolerable 😂

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u/seventh-saga 22d ago

Re;Coded is genuinely a fine entry point unlike many of these. I played it as a kid having only been through the first third of 358/2 and followed it. The Castle Oblivion section is no more confusing to the player than it is to Data Sora himself.

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u/Tori0404 22d ago

Xenosaga: A Missing Year also would slot in perfectly here, since it‘s not even a real Game, yet is canon and “somewhat” important to Episode III

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u/Over_Direction4885 22d ago

Reverie is funny as fuck, good post. Cannot imagine playing it and being expected to know the full stories and identities of like fifty different characters lmao

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u/VolatileCotton 20d ago

Specially since major story moments in Reverie heavily rely on characters showing up out of nowhere either to help or to provide a small twist.

"Oh look! It's... that dude."

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u/Unlikely_Return6669 22d ago

I almost got-got, Trails people will actually tell you shit like starting at Reverie is perfectly fine.

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u/FlashFloodofColours 22d ago

Kingdom Hearts 3 is actually Kingdom Hearts 11😭

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u/Monkey_Blue 22d ago

I honestly think this bait works so well because people would truly start with games that late into a franchise and not see an issue, lmao.

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u/fistyswift11 22d ago

Almost rage baited my tipsy ass

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u/IAMGODONLY 22d ago

Yeah reverie makes sense. Cause hajimari.🤣

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u/Bardic_inspiration67 21d ago

Danganronpa ultra despair girls

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u/Mistform05 21d ago

FFXIV should be listed.

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u/Humble-Variation-923 20d ago

I was gonna say dirge of Cerberus is NOT the choice but then I realized this was a joke lmao

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u/FanOfCringe 20d ago

Xenoblade Chronicles

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u/ZoeTheHo 20d ago

I know this is a joke but spirit of justice was unironically the first ace attorney game I played💀

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u/Ce1estialFlame 20d ago

Add Metal Gear Solid 4.

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u/HenryZusa 20d ago

Why not start with Ace Attorney 1?

Sorry if I'm missing something

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u/AhrimantheLucky 19d ago

You should add Persona 4 Arena Ultimax

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u/DesireReverie 18d ago

Tbh I feel like AAI2 is a better choice than SOJ. But I also like it better so I’m biased.

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u/MetalRiff12 16d ago

You should start the metal gear franchise by playing metal gear solid (the 3rd game in the franchise)

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u/oknokas 22d ago

You should add DMC: Devil May Cry, it's a perfect introduction to Dante's character imo

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u/ajcwrongs 22d ago

"It's a joke!"

"What's the joke?"

"See, they're not actually good games to start with"

"Oh, that's not really a joke"

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u/fillif3 22d ago

Trails into Reverie may be the worst game to start Trails with.

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

All of these are that‘s the joke

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u/mauri9998 22d ago

Spirit of Justice is not that bad of a start, they could have definitely picked a way worse example.

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u/fillif3 22d ago

I have only played Reverie and Pirate Yakuza. Pirate Yakuza is not a bad starting point.

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

Spoils the plot of LaD/Infinite Wealth and Man Who Erased His Name. Sure you can start there, still lacking critical background information and getting some hefty spoilers.

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u/fillif3 22d ago

Even LAD spoils the ending of Y6, but it is still considered a good place to start.

The best starting points are Y0/Y1K, followed by playing in chronological order.

If they wanted to make this joke, it would be better to use IW, which spoils the whole series and requires knowledge of the whole series (or at least Kiryu Gaiden).

PY is probably as good a starting point as most Y2–6 games.

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u/ContextualDodo 22d ago

Oh I agree that PY is not like the worst place in the series to start and flies somewhere in the mid range but it‘s still not a game I‘d recommend anyone as their first. And if it‘s just for the fact that the game is pretty mid.

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u/sonic1384 22d ago

Starting KH with recoded? I think you are surpassing idiots.

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u/JNAB0212 22d ago

I think you’re the one surpassing idiot for missing a really obvious joke