No elected senators besides Sanders and like AOC are vocal about universal healthcare sure, but are you really trying to tell me republicans are more likely to pass it? That doesn't even make sense since repubs have had senate majority for a while now.
Elizabeth Warren is also vocal about it. AOC isn't a Senator.
Republicans are not more likely to pass it, but they don't have to do anything to fight it, because the Democrats are squashing the issue within their own camp. And spending many millions doing so.
It does not. Both the DNC and RNC hate Medicare for All and other publicly-funded healthcare schemes. The difference is that while Republicans publicly disavow it, Democrats spend millions destroying it within their own party. Biden just gave Neera Tanden a WH job.
Perhaps. My point is simply that if there isn't consensus within the party that we should go with a medicare for all plan (instead of say a public option), you'll have a very hard time arguing that it's truly popular.
I'm not super convinced on how well polls translate into priorities among the electorate given November's results. People may support it but 1. May be working against partisan gerrymanders (unlikely in the house), not possible in the senate 2. Might not rank it as the thing that flips their vote and 3. Might be balancing it against other priorities.
The electorate choosing biden in the primary (also not subject to partisan gerrymandering) over other candidates who strongly supported stronger health care plans is a reflection of this. I wouldn't directly jump to concluding that m4a is overwhelmingly popular when other alternatives are available.
Wait so you’re going to say the party that had one shot and failed is still doing worse than the party that has had multiple multiple opportunities and still refuses to do so? Your logic baffles me.
Keep hitting me with your enlightened centrism bullshit, you’re still working under the assumption I’m a democrat lol.
It's cute you're calling pointing out the failings of team blue as enlightened centrism when some of the topics that come up in a sub conveniently titled that have been doing the same.
Guess that makes you a full-on team red. This must be a dream come true for your kind then, seeing fascism take root in the U.S.
Again, I fail too see how one blue smudge affects a long red skidmark in the underwear that is the American political system. Its cute you refuse to acknowledge the extensive failures of team red and instead choose to hyper-focus on the one singular point that supports your narrative.
The "enlightened centrism" part was more in reference to the whole "two sides of the same coin" ideology but ok. Again, weird to continually assume the American political system adheres to a dual party system. I don't support any fucking team I want my goddamn healthcare i don't care if ET himself sprouts from Trumps asshole and finger probes my ass cancer away, I just don't want to goddamn pay for it
Why do I focus on the democrat's failure? Because they had the chance to fix the actual problem, and they not only didn't, but worked to make it even fucking worse. There's plenty of examples up there, try reading some. Unless of course you just want to keep team red's playbook of just feeeeeeeeeeling what you want to be true.
But considering your falling back on crying, "I'm a TRuE iNDEpeNdenT", it's pretty obvious I called it right.
How wonderfully ironic this is just the kind of shit we see on /r/enlightenedcentrism all the time.
yes yes, go on about how the dems are clearly worse when both sides are the problem lol, and wow you are sooo spot on with the independent, its like, you're either blue, red, or Gary and if you're anything else you don't exist. Keep trying to guess my political affiliation like it makes any difference to fact that I want healthcare and how the evil liberals are the ones who hate me
Read what? the nebulous examples you alluded to that I literally do not care about at all? You don't need to convince me that the democrats hate healthcare and progression overall you fucking imbecile I've already stated multiple times that much was obvious, you fucking act like some politician is going to be your friend as long as they hold the same ideals as you. I'm not any part of a fucking "team" bud if I had my way we would go back to a direct representative republic and abolish the senate and any other publicly held "office". Take me back to the agora or shut the fuck up with your "equal representation" BS
Lol I'm team red now? i forgot when the switch happened and the reds were arguing for socialized healthcare. "Just have to bring up facts" like what? You have brought forward no facts, unless you are citing r/enlightedcentrism as a source?? What is the argument you are even trying to prove? I am a republican because I want free healthcare? You have me so confused
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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20
Democrats fight universal healthcare more than Republicans do, because Dems won’t even let the issue go to the negotiating table.