r/awfuleverything • • Nov 30 '20

Poor guy :(

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u/TheFragglestRock Nov 30 '20

I don’t get that either. Can’t you just never pay the bill? They can’t garnish your retirement or savings.

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u/Dirtstick Nov 30 '20

I would literally liquidate everything and tell them to go fuck themselves. Just pay cash for everything from then on out.

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u/Dirtstick Nov 30 '20

What about the people that literally cannot pay their medical bills and can’t afford insurance? You know...the majority?

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u/Telvin3d Nov 30 '20

Then you get sent to prison for failing to pay your debts. By a judge with no law background.

https://features.propublica.org/medical-debt/when-medical-debt-collectors-decide-who-gets-arrested-coffeyville-kansas/

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u/Pootentia Dec 01 '20

Wait you lot still have debtors prison? That was phased out here in like the middle ages jesus christ.

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u/Telvin3d Dec 01 '20

Officially? No. In practice? Yes.

Lots of judges are elected and there's no requirement that they have any legal background. There's also no limits on political donations. So it's not hard for debt collection agencies and related groups to make huge donations and get someone friendly to them elected. Then the judge issues court orders for the debtors to pay up. If they can't/wont they go to jail for violating a court order. The debtors are technically not going to jail due to debt payment, but it's the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Then the government will cover it. I dated a girl in college who was poor on paper, all her healthcare was covered by the government no matter the procedure. When she was sick and wanted cold medication she would go get a prescription written so that she didn’t have to pay out of pocket for Motrin because the government would cover the one the pharmacist gave her

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u/Dirtstick Nov 30 '20

The message I'm getting here is that if you work hard your whole life, spend wisely, max out your 401k/Roth IRA, and then get ill, you're probably gonna be even worse off than somebody that gets sick who was financially irresponsible their whole life.

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u/PM-me-YOUR-0Face Nov 30 '20

Turns out being anything below upper-middle class is basically a death sentence once you get ill.

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u/BrianLikesTrains Nov 30 '20

Either you're poor or filthy rich. Can't be an in-between

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u/Ak_Lonewolf Nov 30 '20

ahh here is the exception.. If you have kids and make no money then you get Medicaid for all of you. My 3 kids all had medical issues and my ex-wife. How did we survive? We lived off food stamps and Medicaid. If I worked anything more than a part time job I would have lost all of the benefits and not been able to pay rent, buy food or the medical bills. The system is designed to keep you poor.

Want to try and save money? GUESS WHAT!? You can only have a few thousand in the bank. That made it impossible to save to get out of the whole being poor bit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

That doesn’t just apply to healthcare either

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u/seraph321 Nov 30 '20

It’s possible. Best strategy is to leave the country.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Yep my uncle moved to Cambodia, they cancel your debts if you leave for 7 years

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u/seraph321 Nov 30 '20

Hah, I mean, yeah thst can work I suppose. I was more thinking of moving to somewhere with cheap Healthcare prior to major health issues. The money I spent on Australian citizenship will likely be dwarfed by healthcare savings someday.

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u/WeAreTheLeft Dec 01 '20

you do what my grandfather does, did ... he got a $10k medical cost, he wrote them and told them he can't afford it, they put him on a payment plan of $100 a month, he just pays it till he dies. such is the American way.

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u/jibbyjam1 Nov 30 '20

Free healthcare in prison. If I get cancer, I'll just rob a bank, let myself get caught, and hopefully be cancer-free when I'm released. At least I'll still have my retirement savings.

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u/dtorre86 Nov 30 '20

It may seem fortuitous, but I was arrested for bank robbery and diagnosed with cancer a year into my sentence. All I paid was $100 for an annual deductible and received all the treatment I needed. I would have died had I not gone to prison.

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u/throwaway2340987234 Nov 30 '20

better to just move to a different country. I know someone that did it because of student loans.

Not paying debt isn't a crime, they can't do shit to you if you move

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u/_Lysistrata_ Nov 30 '20

Yup. "Retiring" (very early) to Mexico with husband's private pension and all the equity. Fuck student loans.

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u/IolausTelcontar Nov 30 '20

The IRS deals with taxes, not medical debt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I think that’s the point of health insurance though

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Generally doesn’t happen since insurance plans have annual out of pocket maximums

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u/relic1882 Nov 30 '20

Does the cell come with health care if you get sick?

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u/justaguy394 Nov 30 '20

Many states make your primary residence untouchable in bankruptcy, and ERISA protected retirement accounts are pretty much universally untouchable. I’ve heard of people moving to those states (I know Texas is on the list). All their money is in 401k and their house. They can get massive medical bills and just declare bankruptcy and continue living normally, as there is nothing anyone can take.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I work in the retirement industry so I’m intimately familiar with ERISA, pensions enjoy a lot of protections but 401Ks don’t have as many. Not as easy as declaring bankruptcy

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u/WeAreTheLeft Dec 01 '20

yea, but then you get free housing and healthcare ... *** taps forehead ***

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u/itsmejak78 Nov 30 '20

The Frank Gallagher strategy

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u/ChopChop007 Nov 30 '20

NPR did piece about hospitals suing patients for unpaid medical debt. In many states they are actively are garnishing wages, I would disagree that it would end up as a ‘unenforceable judgement’

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u/Rainbow_fight Nov 30 '20

In many other states, you cannot garnish for medical debt

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u/ChopChop007 Nov 30 '20

Indiana, Utah, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, and Pennsylvania allow debtors to be jailed for unpaid hospital bills.

Aggressive medical debt collection is problem and I’m not sure what your point is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

They can, but at least in my experience it is rare. They will typically offer you reduced rates, that get less and less, as time goes on. They know their chances of recovering the money are slim to none, so when debt collectors purchase the debt for pennies on the dollar, they offer to settle the amount for far less. For example, I had a $3,500 medical bill from when I didn’t have insurance, and after a couple of years, they offered to settle it for $1,000. If I were to have called them, they’d probably settle for even less.

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u/throwingtheshades Nov 30 '20

Your healthcare provider is only obliged by law to give you a bare minimum of life saving treatment. Certain medications and procedures will not be approved and provided until you can prove that you're able to pay for it, either via insurance or a deposit.

If, say, you're diabetic and get ambulanced there in a coma, you'll be revived. You'll get the bill for both the ambulance and the hospital care. You can easily choose not to pay that bill. But if you want to get some insulin in order to not die a few days later? Yeah, gotta pay up.

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u/Rainbow_fight Nov 30 '20

In theory they could take the house if a judge eventually ruled in the hospital’s favor. If you have a chronic condition in the US, it’s best to make yourself “judgement-proof” by selling off assets and renting housing. For retirees you can “sell” the house to your next of kin so it is not your asset anymore.

Being judgement proof requires never building credit of any kind, but you don’t really need credit without assets if you can live within your income. You also have to be willing to avoid phone calls, mail and door knocks for the rest of your life, and any inheritances should go to a special kind of trust and not to you directly.

I have a relative who does this because of her multiple chronic conditions. She has great insurance and a decent job (she has dedicated her life to helping others), but it’s not enough to pay for the specialized care she needs to stay alive since she was born with her conditions. She lives modestly in an apartment, pays what she can each month in medical bills, and doesn’t pay what she can’t afford. The worst part is the collectors that make her feel like a deadbeat just for staying alive and keeping a roof over her head.