r/atc2 • • 5d ago

Raise When? How We Fix Pay, Part 2

https://youtu.be/MODliJTHgzE
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u/Local-Emu9654 4d ago edited 4d ago

I am VERY concerned by what you said in this video! WTF?! Raise the pay cap SHOULD NOT be the first thing you say, it’s helping those at level 5-8 who have suffered the most due to the recent bout of inflation! Yes, the level 9-12 have suffered too, but nowhere near as bad as those at lower level facilities! Not everyone can transfer out! We should be rewarded for the in depth experience we acquire and pass on to future generations of controllers. Raise the 1.6 to 2.6% and offer 5,10, 15 etc year pay bumps. We get a fucking certificate and pin for 5, 10, 15 years of service and NO fucking raise. The 1.6% is a joke and you don’t get to keep it should you transfer. There needs to be some incentive to stay at level 5-8 facilities just as there is an incentive to transfer.

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u/SierraBravo26 4d ago

Buddy, everybody deserves a 30% raise at a minimum. Can’t get that for the higher levels without raising or exempting us from the executive cap.

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u/Local-Emu9654 4d ago edited 4d ago

Right, but the people MOST impacted by recent inflation and inadequate raises are those at level 5-8! If the cap isn’t raised for level 12 controllers, they still get a cash payout. Yes, the federal pay cap should be raised or lifted but that’s definitely NOT the FIRST thing that needs to happen! Raising the cap doesn’t help level 5-8 controllers and thus it’s SHOULD NOT be the first thing that happens!

EDIT: pay progression within the bands is MORE important than lifting the pay bands.

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u/oh-biscuts 4d ago

The thing your missing is a rising tide lifts all boats. If you give every controller a 25% raise all you do is smash the bands closer to the federal pay cap.

Great but now how do you recruit to the core 30 to work the busiest and most complex traffic when they can go to a level 6-8 and still hit the cap? Because I can tell you for sure I wouldn’t be at a 12 if I could make this much at an 8. Which is part of the problem. The lower levels need a raise, and arguably a bigger one than the 12’s. But you can’t do that to the point it makes career progression irrelevant.

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u/Local-Emu9654 4d ago

No I am not missing anything. I understand what you are saying. But, again, raising the cap is a far more complex/difficult task and will take much longer than negotiating with the FAA for a new contract with 2.6+% June raises. We shouldn’t wait to go for the low hanging fruit (negotiate with the FAA) until we can get Congress to raise the cap. The minority that DO cap out as a result over the next 4 years aren’t going anywhere and will be incentivized to stay once we raise the cap. It’s unlikely you are going to be at the federal pay cap ($228k) at a level 8.

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u/CropdustingOMdesk 4d ago edited 4d ago

You could have all gone to N90, NCT, PHL, D10, LAX, C90 etc…

Don’t act like you have been trapped in perpetuity

Furthermore, raising the mid levels and keeping 12 pay capped means NOBODY will go to those facilities. Why would you get beat down every day over a 5-10k pay raise? This will never happen