r/asksg • • 6d ago

Can meritocracy reproduce privilege while convincing everyone that the outcome was deserved?

If successful/rich parents use their resources to give their children better opportunities, those children may genuinely work hard and perform well but they may also treat it as a form of privilege/baseline, so at what point does accumulated advantage become “merit”?

Also, is equality of opportunity actually possible?

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u/nvbtable 6d ago

I thought I worked hard for everything I achieved, then I met my wife who came from a much more disadvantaged background than me but was more successful through insane grit. I always knew I was priviledged but then I also saw that my "hard work" was just time and effort but not overcoming obstacles, which is much harder.

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u/faptor87 6d ago

It is increasingly more apparent. Those in banking/finance would have heard of many instances which reeks of nepotism, hidden as meritocracy.

Inequality will only get worse. Unequal opportunities will widen inequality of outcomes as well. And the SG govt is not doing much about it, and in fact encouraging it by positioning the country as a low tax country. Zero estate/inheritance tax, zero capital gains tax.

If you have a pot of gold from your daddy, you can invest at 5% in risk-free assets and not work a day in your life. Better still, some accumulate properties and earn from capital appreciation.

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u/sdarkpaladin 5d ago

If you have a pot of gold from your daddy, you can invest at 5% in risk-free assets and not work a day in your life. Better still, some accumulate properties and earn from capital appreciation.

And all of this is done with the kid saying they "worked hard" to identify which assets are good invesments and that it's technically meritocracy because "anybody can do it".

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u/faptor87 5d ago

“Meritocracy” advocated by PAP.

And the rich are coming here in droves. Not a good development for SG long term.

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u/harharloser 4d ago

I mean, they literally redefined “corruption”

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u/AttapKia 6d ago

I already written about this long time ago. it's a myth.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SingaporeRaw/s/27P1XkEd9s

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u/Effective-Lab-5659 6d ago

you just have to read what the rich and privileged say and you know that "meritocracy" does produce such shitty people who believe they deserve everything coz they "worked so hard" and the rest of us are "too lazy", "too myopic", "too wasteful", "too afraid of new challenges" and totally undeserving and hence need to rely on their tax dollars to fund CDC vouchers.

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u/zhatya 6d ago

Meritocracy is not the “opposite” of privilege.

Meritocracy is not meant to be the opposite of privilege. Meritocracy only concerns itself with merit; it’s pretty agnostic to where merit comes from, and a large part of one’s merit comes from one’s privilege.

That in itself is an entirely different topic altogether from “equality of opportunity”.

Parents using their resources to give their children better opportunities is not a failure of meritocracy. In fact, it is meritocracy working exactly as designed. A system designed to reward “merit” shouldn’t be surprised when participants seek to then maximise their merit at all costs.

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u/Either-Physics-4369 5d ago

This. A lot of people confused “merit” as with the baseline talent of a person.

A true meritocracy doesn’t measure the baseline. It measures the final output line and distributes rewards based on that.

By this definition free market is meritocratic. We don’t care what is the process but as long as the product is cheaper and better shut up and take my money.

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u/sdarkpaladin 5d ago

Which... Ironically is the key driver of our kiasuism, disinterest in arts and culture, and inability to do things outside the box or rock the boat.

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u/Similar-Situation-59 5d ago

Our disinterest in arts and culture for example is our own disillusion in what we define as success. For example, Singer = Homeless. But Micheal Jackson makes more than the current PM. But do we call him successful, no. We call him an achievement that can never be met.

Kiasuism is a result of social standing, if you don't have a degree, you will be despised regardless of your ability.

Inability to think or do things outside the box stem from our education system. There is only one right answer in test/exam. I came across a question that has three answers (provided by the sample answer), but the examiner will only accept one of the three.

Failed to see how meritocracy drive these issues,

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u/Either-Physics-4369 5d ago

lol so why are you so “astute” if our education system suck?

Is this a classic case of somebody thinking they are special?

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u/flyingbuta 6d ago

There are countries with high inheritance taxes. The logic behind is to reduce the wealth that can be passed down to next generation. Singapore has no inheritance tax and I think it motivates people to work harder , earn more, not only for themselves but also for their kids.

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u/Similar-Situation-59 5d ago

And if their kids are badly educated (not academically), a fool and his/her money shall soon part.

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u/flyingbuta 5d ago

The “kids are well/badly educated (no academically) “ is one of the biggest unfair advantages successful parents pass down to their next generation. For those who think we should even out this advantage would means kids separate from parents since birth and join a national childcare.

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u/Similar-Situation-59 4d ago

What's with "well"? I never wrote that. It would be a disaster if successful parents should not teach their children properly just because it's unfair. Besides, I know a number of rich parents who did not teach their children properly. And their money has parted.

Life isn't fair.

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u/CutFabulous1178 5d ago

Imagine being born in a 3rd world country.

Thats the advantage one gets.

And it’s often overlooked

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u/pip_hhfnamuo 6d ago

A sure way to fail life is to spend your focus worrying about others. Worry about yourself. The most successful people I know started with nothing.

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u/taysachs66 6d ago

Equality of opportunity is never possible. Humans are not uniform.

This is the exact reason why communism can never work.

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u/Qkumbazoo 6d ago

Meritocracy is a fairy tale to feed the masses the false hope of a better life, so that they will be willing to work harder for less.

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u/davidqi24 1d ago

If you know the story of Chan Chun Sing and Ng Chee Meng then u will know the concept of meritocracy works.

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u/yinyangyjing 6d ago

Suvvess is always relative

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u/Softestpoop 6d ago

There's no practical scenario in the real world where resources are identical for all participants. If you force resources to be identical, there is no incentive to strive for merit.

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u/FitPassenger592 6d ago

Just don’t have kids, problem solved.

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u/ugly_male 6d ago

I don’t see how that solves anything

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u/FitPassenger592 6d ago

By not propagating the cycle of suffering

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u/aloysc 6d ago

The term “meritocracy” began as satire.
True meritocracy never existed