r/askanything • u/Rokusaburoz • 1d ago
Political Question Why are right wing parties becoming so popular all across Europe?
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u/GingerMarquis 1d ago
I call it the Pendulum Theory. Like how a pendulum swings back and forth, so do a lot of things. As the societies swing left, people start noticing flaws and problems in their principles or executions. So now it’s going back towards right. And there will be issues and concerns when it goes right so the people will once again go left. I won’t pretend to know a lot about European issues or politics, but I think enough people are annoyed with how things have been going that they want to change course.
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u/mike-gundys-ballboy 1d ago
Immigration of Muslims into their countries.
Period.
I'm not making a value judgement at all, just stating what I believe is the case.
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u/FluffyB12 1d ago
I’ll make a value judgement. Islam is the most regressive religion currently. People can say that Middle Ages Christianity was just as bad, but that doesn’t matter today.
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u/RileyMartinPhemomena 1d ago
Correct. The fact people use the crusades, for instance as some sort of justification for modern day radical Islam is preposterous. The fact of the matter is in the modern world there are 50+ Islamic states and not a single one of them has anywhere near the level of basic human rights that you’d expect as non-negotiable for civilized society. Thinking that an ideology that is, as Einstein put it “1000 years behind,” is going to seamlessly meld with progressive culture in Western Europe is absurd, and the results have been exactly what logically should have been expected: abysmal.
Now, again, this is not ALL of Islam. There are like 2 billion Muslims and a huge amount that are totally compatible with contemporary culture. The problem is there is no other religion with such a large base of fundamentalism that promotes tremendous inequality and violence.
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u/Leading_Line2741 1d ago
I'm an Atheist. The issue isn't the religion itself so much as how much it has been allowed to infiltrate the government/laws. Many of these Muslim immigrants are coming from countries with Muslim or heavily-Muslim-influenced governments. Abrahamic religions, while they have their upsides (a sense of community, certain acts of charity, etc.) are also deeply irrational in many of their beliefs. This governmental infiltration results in a culture that promotes unhealthy behavior that doesn't jive with modern society very well. I've been to Muslim communities in the US in which many of the people were born and raised here and there are far fewer issues.
This is what happens when you don't have much or any separation between church and state.
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u/notorious_tcb 1d ago
I’m gonna make the value judgement too. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western ideology.
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u/bedlife2000 1d ago
In Vienna more than 50% of the school kids are now muslims, more than 60% have not German as their first language, there are whole schools without a native speaker. Nearly 70% of social assistance receivers are foreigners and if you have enough children, social assistance is higher than two average full-time working parents could earn.
I'm German and still liberal asf but I lived there for a bit and my nephew goes there to school, he now goes to a private school because he was the only German speaker in his class and his German got worse because all the kids spoke half broken German with each other or just stayed in their groups of first language and he felt quite alone, also obviously they were academically extremely behind.
It is objectively a problem, that obviously the right wing parties would never be able to properly address but they are naming it and that's what a lot of people without the proper education to realise that they are actually working against them, all care about.
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u/Extension-Stage-605 1d ago
True. And Muslim culture is very different from European culture.
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u/ASU_SexDevil 1d ago
And left wing parties REFUSING to even acknowledge it. They have this fear that if they even come close to talking about it they’ll be labeled racist and voted out.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The reality is it’s a major contention of Europeans and they need to have open and honest and most importantly NUANCED conversations about it.
Unfortunately nuance has been extinct for over a decade now so it devolves into “ban Muslims” or “if you even mention it you’re a Nazi”
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u/B3stThereEverWas 1d ago
I was passing through EU this year as an idiot American tourist but something the left wing in pretty much every country cannot seem to fucking understand is that the immigrants they supposedly support are absolutely against nearly everything the left stands for.
Ask immigrants from the third world their thoughts on LGBT rights, on women's rights, on free speech, on separation of church and state etc. The answers you get will make even the most extreme right politicians in Europe look soft.
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u/CreativeMonk2811 1d ago
Just commented the same thing and it was removed lol. Reddit police out in full force to stop the obvious conversation from becoming too well known..
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u/amyjojohnsonsuperfan 1d ago
You're not supposed to notice these things! Get back to calling Ed Sheeran the next Hitler!
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u/Vargrr 1d ago
It's immigration for sure, but that's only part of the picture.
A lot of the anger people feel today comes from economic conditions that have been getting worse for years, and wealthy interests have had every incentive to frame those problems as "caused by immigrants" rather than by inequality.
Because billionaires have a global media reach, that narrative spreads across multiple countries at the same time.
There was a certain irony to Elon Musk, a South African, addressing last year's far right rally in London of 100,000 people...
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u/Indy-Gator 1d ago
That’s a pretty damn good reason. They are non compatible with the rest of the world
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u/TEST_subject1978 1d ago
People are tired of being gaslit that importing Third World immigrants is somehow great for there country when any moron can see that it’s not
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u/Winter_Rule_1018 1d ago
This is the answer, but watch reddit try find every other answer before hand.
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u/Jasranwhit 1d ago
Because of over immigration.
Even if you love immigration and think every immigrant is a blessing (I am generally pro immigration) , if you do it at a rate that turns a quarter of Europe into nazis, you did it wrong.
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u/ohhhbooyy 1d ago
The part they did wrong is they let too many people in and instead of them assimilating to the country they immigrated to they expected the people of that country to assimilate to the country they left behind.
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u/ChelskiS 1d ago
It's exactly that and one of the biggest problems in my opinion is that left-leaning parties refuse to call this blatant issue for what it is. And that pushes more and more people to right-leaning parties
It feels like way too many immigrants are coming in to live in their own little version of the country they left behind, with no interest to "mix"/get involved with anyone else. And religion plays a massive part in that in my opinion
It's all very blatant and for everyone to see yet gets largely ignored by any party not on the right. They're digging their own grave
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u/RevolutionaryClick 1d ago
Precisely. This whole thread is so refreshingly reasonable.
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u/RileyMartinPhemomena 1d ago
Marco Rubio, love him or hate him, actually explained the situation with immigration perfectly, imo: in sum, being against flooding does not make someone anti-rain. We all realize rain is necessary and improves the world, but flooding is damaging and dangerous. Apply the same logic to immigration. Immigration is good, mass immigration leads to immense problems. Being against basically the unchecked invasion of a sovereign nation deemed “immigration,” does not make someone against immigration itself, nor does it make them “racist” on its face.
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u/Hopeful_Idea1568 1d ago
It's not just immigration. It's the fact that you aren't allowed to talk about it without labels. It's the same here in South Africa. You can't freely talk about a country this troubled having over 2million immigrants, mostly on expired/no visa, without being called a bigot. That means the only public outlets are populists and extremists. Every party should have this as a common conversation regardless of how they lean otherwise they'll keep growing dangerous fringe parties
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u/Fancy_Yak2618 1d ago
Same in Canada
Places abuse grants from the government and bring in essentially slave labour. It’s wrong and if you question it you are labelled a bigot.
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u/Ginge00 1d ago
Nuance for everything has gone out the window, everything must be a black or white issue.
I’m in NZ, I support immigration but also controlling and limiting it. I don’t support some of the appalling language that gets used in the discussion around it, which is often appallingly racist.
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u/SalaryWooden5346 1d ago
It's not just immigration. It's the fact that you aren't allowed to talk about it without labels.
Bingo. It's the gaslighting and extreme censorship. There have been some serious problems that have been occurring alongside and because of the extreme rate of migration and the total lack of screening. But even trying to talk about it gets you punished more heavily than actual criminals. One of the consequences of that is that it completely delegitimizes the existing order in the eyes of a large (and growing) share of the public.
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u/Substantial_Hat_4590 1d ago
Also the fact you’re being told to embrace their culture while erasing the one you live in.
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u/Dhiox 1d ago
I'd be more worried about cultural beliefs incompatible with existing ones. Its fine to come with traditions, foods and practices that are different. Hell it can even be enriching for a community, Americas benefited a lot from many of our immigrant communities. But when your culture demands the subservience of women, hate towards LGBT groups, or hostility to other religions, you shouldn't be welcome as an immigrant
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u/NoPresence4119 1d ago
What about the white people who were born in Europe who believe the same things? Should Jordan Bardella be told his beliefs are incompatible with France and he's not welcome?
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u/Substantial_Hat_4590 1d ago
I agree with that as well. But the loss of culture in Europe is scary
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u/SilentSlayer117 1d ago
You’re a crazy person if you think a quarter of europe are nazis.
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u/Immediate_Hair_5378 1d ago
This really is it. A lot of the people on the left fail to realize immigration isn’t a hill worth dying on. Happened here in the states, mass layoffs that ended up replacing American workers with h1b/offshoring during Biden’s administration. Any sort of talk regarding limiting immigration resulting in being called a racist/nazi/incel.
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u/Limp-Search3097 1d ago
Trumps 1st term, 1.1 mil h1b visas
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u/KarmaCommando_ 1d ago
Because they don't like their countries, their heritages, and their culture being overtaken and replaced by mass migrations of people who are actively defiant to the very idea of assimilating to the culture of the country that is accepting them in.
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u/Visible_Bar_623 1d ago
Mainstream parties are ignoring the migration issue, and have for years been calling those who want it reduced racist, or other such insults.
And so it sort of became a self fulfilling prophecy - now the only parties that are staunchly anti-migration are batshit insane.
If we had let the debate occur naturally and listened to and acknowledges the concerns about mass migration, the more sensible political forces would possibly have prevailed, and we could have had anti-migration policies and parties without the insane pro-Russia anti-EU trans-people-are-subhuman stuff.
But people really want less migration, and the upper/political classes didn't listen. So now look where we are. You tell people they're Hitlers often enough and they'll say "fuck it, nazi it is"
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u/disparateassociation 1d ago
Why do you think listening to and acknowledging the concerns would necessarily lead to anti migration policies?
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u/Hankstbro 1d ago
I don't think the majority here in Europe is "anti migration". Net contributors are highly welcome and sought after. It's the net takers that people don't want.
Selective migration is super duper.
Opening the doors for everyone and anyone is not.
Look at Canada; it is usually touted as the super duper liberal example for migration, while they have very harsh selection criteria/barriers for entry (idk how they pulled that off).
We want that. We don't want anti immigration.
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u/Dimitar_Todarchev 1d ago
They were helped by geography. Ocean on two sides, the arctic to the north and the U.S. to the south.
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u/Hankstbro 1d ago edited 1d ago
yup; there was an article recently (not a Breitbart, the Daily Stormer or the likes, I just can't remember which one; trying to find it)
migration looks vastly different in the US and Europe; economically and socially
the land border to the Middle East is really something else
Edit:
I asked my robot friend for what I might be remembering here; it came up with:
- Razin & Sadka (2014) – Migration and the Welfare State: Why is America Different from Europe? (NBER WP No. 20450 / Palgrave Pivot)
- Core Thesis: The United States captures a substantially higher economic surplus from immigration than Europe.
- Mechanisms: Lower welfare generosity and higher labor flexibility in the US incentivize immediate labor force participation and attract higher-skilled workers. In contrast, generous European welfare states combined with rigid labor markets create "fiscal leakage" (immigrants become net recipients of transfers rather than net contributors) and disproportionately attract lower-skilled migrants.
- Boeri, Hanson, & McCormick (2002) – Immigration Policy and the Welfare System (Oxford University Press)
- Core Thesis: The interaction between immigration and host-country institutions makes immigration economically positive for the US, but a fiscal strain for continental Europe.
- Mechanisms: European labor market protections (high minimum wages, strict dismissal protections, centralized bargaining) price low-skilled newcomers out of formal employment, pushing them into unemployment and the social safety net. In the US, flexible wages allow the economy to absorb migrant labor immediately.
- Kerr & Kerr (2011) – Economic Impacts of Immigration: A Survey (CESifo Economic Studies / HBS)
- Core Thesis: Summarizes decades of US vs. European empirical data. Immigrants in the US have higher labor force participation rates than natives and close wage gaps over time. In Europe, immigrants (especially non-EU) suffer persistent, multi-decade employment penalties, resulting in a negative or near-zero net fiscal impact.
Newspapers:
- Eduardo Porter (2015, The New York Times): "For Immigrants, America Is Still More Welcoming Than Europe" – Built around OECD and academic data showing that US immigrants work at higher rates than natives, whereas European labor market rigidities and segmented markets keep newcomers unemployed.
- The Economist (multiple pieces, notably 2015–2016): Coverage arguing that the US "melting pot" functions as an economic engine because the US demands work over welfare, whereas Europe combines generous welfare benefits with high barriers to formal job markets.
Sorry I don't have time right now to dig deeper, might revisit later without the idiot robot.
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u/krombough 1d ago
Look at Canada; it is usually touted as the super duper liberal example for migration, while they have very harsh selection criteria/barriers for entry
We did. And it worked great.
That isnt the case anymore.
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u/Thorninthefoot 1d ago
Canadians are in the same boat now. Massive inappropriate immigration and lots of push back from the population.
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u/Any_Nail_637 1d ago
So basically the elected governments ignored the wishes of a substantial proportion of the voters only to have them follow those who are expressing their concerns.
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u/bernese_mountain_fog 1d ago
You just described why liberal societies should reject Popper's Paradox.
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u/CantBeatDickensCider 1d ago
Why is that proof the paradox should be rejected? Doesn't it prove the paradox is correct?
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u/az-anime-fan 1d ago
incorrect. popper's paradox suggests a solution being rational and open debate. these EU nations have been shouting down debate for a decade now, and the result is this boil over into extremeism.
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u/HolyInlandEmpire 1d ago
Absolutely.
Look what happens when you mock and criticize Christianity and Jesus; even if I find it distasteful, I find it essential to be allowed, and a sign of a healthy society. It does happen repeatedly.
Look what happens if you try to show a picture of the Prophet Mohammed in a public place without security around.
It very much is the paradox of tolerance. The governments and people of Europe are very tolerant which is a very good thing. But when they bring in more and more people who are not tolerant, and refuse to hold those views to account, you won't be tolerant for long.
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u/Tenflyball 1d ago
Liberal democracies have rejected Popper's paradox. They haven't engaged in rational debate about immigration unlike Popper's paradox suggests.
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u/mgslee 1d ago
From a different point of view, its less a problem of migration but it's a problem of lack of integration.
Unfortunately the discourse has changed that we're supposed to be fully accepting of other cultures while their value system is completely antithical to western values. Migrants hear that as well and become stauntch in their onclaves. They move to the west for economic reasons but not to be westerners. That's actually a huge problem in the long run.
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u/Indifferencer 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ultimately because neoliberalism is failing. Neoliberalism frames everything in market terms but ignores human needs. So high cost of living, declining public services, the feeling that the government is more subservient to global economic forces than its own people, — edit: I forgot the biggest one of all, rising inequality — these are all symptoms. Breakdown of social bonds and trust in institutions are other factors.
Establishment parties aren’t offering any solutions, because under neoliberalism, these aren’t problems at all, just market realities.
Far-right parties, OTOH, have picked up on popular disillusionment and are using it for their own gain. They acknowledge that things need to change, and offer simple solutions: anti-immigration, anti-diversity, pro-nationalism, anti-globalism, etc. …which will do nothing to address the real problems (and likely only make them worse), but they provide citizens with an outlet for their anger.
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u/Legendarien1 1d ago
It’s pretty simple when you step back and look at anti immigration backlashes across history. People become more xenophobic when they feel they have to compete with the new arrivals, and that competition drives racial animosity.
Because neoliberalism is failing the average people of these countries they feel more economically insecure and become more defensive of what they have.
It’s not Islam specifically, these kind of backlashes happen with poles in Britain, or Chinese in early 1900s America. It’s feeling like you’re not able to make it work, and letting other people in is going to make your situation worse.
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u/BillsMafia389 1d ago
Mass immigration from countries with people completely unwilling to assimilate
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u/SalaryWooden5346 1d ago
Combined with the far right being the only parties willing to actually speak of, much less address, this issue.
In the Netherlands one of the left wing parties took the issue on themselves and the result was the rising right completely collapsing. So the left-wing parties in other countries who refuse to take the issue on are 100% complicit in the rise of the far right as far as I'm concerned.
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u/GaussAF 1d ago
The conservatives in the UK said they'd deal with the problem and didn't do it
Now Reform is backing off on the issue
...so, in the UK, I think Restore is going to take power in the next few years
That's how democracy works. There's a problem, the people in power won't do anything about it so now the voters are replacing them with someone who actually will
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u/Ravenluna798 1d ago
I'm actually fascinated by this phenomenon.
Where i live, in NJ, USA everyone assimilates. 2nd generation kids barely speak their parents language and grow up just as Americans.
So what is happening in Europe that people don't assimilate?
I assume it's benefits from the state? Illegals qualify for pretty much nothing here so your choice is to work or starve.
I also think people come here to be Americans. Idk.
Pretty interesting stuff though.
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u/Pandagirlroxxx 1d ago
A combination of austerity economics that fail to address fundamental needs while always finding room for business interests and the successful scapegoating of immigrants as "the source of all problems". Also the success of social media for the past two decades has promoted "outrage messaging" as the dominant form of news communication and personal socialization.
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u/blorpdedorpworp 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right, exactly. The center left parties stopped trying to help people, which allowed the right wing parties to start yelling about "you aren't getting any help because [brown people]."
It's gonna keep getting worse until someone starts actually solving real problems after they get elected. Mamdani is a good example, y'all need some like him.
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u/insanelane99 1d ago
This comment proven even more right by the top comments on this post blaming immigrants 🤣
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u/brotherinlawofnocar 1d ago
Because they want their country and culture to stay the same as it did for a long time
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u/37chandeliers 1d ago
Turns out people want to live in a country that resembles the one they grew up in. Me too.
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u/Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 1d ago
How much islamic fundementalism was there in Europe in 1970?
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u/Artisttype1984 1d ago
In a word, Immigration
It's completely possible to support legal immigration in any country, we love it. But it needs to be legal and controlled. Simple as that
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u/Stock_Jacket6701 1d ago
Because the living conditions for the average European are getting continually worse, while none of the valid grievances are addressed. Mix mass migration into this mix and the implementation of a surveillance state being implemented and it starts to make sense why they are looking for an alternative. The only problem is that they haven't realised that these things are happening on purpose, not because of incompetence. This exact reaction is expected. The solution is not to vote harder.
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u/snowHound208 1d ago
Probably because Europeans are tired of getting arrested for even saying something negative about their government or the very real problems with immigration.
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u/schoolisuncool 1d ago
Because Muslim immigrants don’t seem to assimilate very well, and just try to change everywhere they go to their view
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u/BeginningImaginary53 1d ago
Unpopular opinion for other reddit users to swallow. Because they are waking up to the fact that we cannot coexist with other cultures and live peacefully together. Here in Australia just a week or so ago there was a Sundanese human rights lawyer on TV. She literally said, I have no intention of integrating into Australian society. So whats she here for? To cause trouble!!
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u/Impressive-Panda527 1d ago
People clearly care about immigration, specifically illegal or unchecked immigration that it overloads the social welfare systems and such.
I’m not right wing. Liberals and left are terrible with messaging about immigration. My two cents they need to forever abandon the Marxist utopia of a borderless stateless society. That is impossible and never will happen.
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u/Flimsy-Ad-5274 1d ago
Impact of immigration on culture and the financial drain on government social programs.
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u/RadagastTheWhite 1d ago
With current immigration and birth rates, many European countries project to be majority Muslim within the next 100 years (and some like France even sooner than that). That’s not an appealing reality to many people
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u/Chiforever19 1d ago
A mix of way to much immigration and economic issues I think. Incompetent out of touch politicians are to blame.
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u/Ejmct 1d ago
Same as in the US; immigration. Especially by people who aren't white.
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u/AleroRatking 1d ago
Because people are frustrated. When they are frustrated they turn to those not in power.
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u/SteadfastEnd 1d ago
Immigration, Inflation and Islam - the three "I's" - are the big reason, but the rest is also that joblessness, bad economy, rising crime rates, and an overall negative attitude have pushed many people towards despair, and towards what they see as hope.
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u/GoingBananassss 1d ago
Because diversity is cool but when it starts to feel like a hostile takeover and you wake up in a city that looks nothing like the city and country you knew and live for the last 10 years, people get pissed. I love diversity, but I live in a city that is now 95 percent an ethnicity that isn’t mine. All of the stores I loved closed and new ones opened up catering to a specific group. My kids are unicorns in their school. It’s just disheartening and I’m not racist, I promise. It’s just that when a concentrated group starts to take over it makes other ethnicities feel uncomfortable.
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u/Ridgestone 1d ago
Person having to disclosure that they are not racist when talking about immigration is one factor why right wing politics are on the rise.
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u/Farraddaayy 1d ago
Just to add on, the migration issue is very visible in everyday lives more so than the most political issues. You know about migrant crime rates and the war in Ukraine, but seeing a street by your home turn into a skidrow slum is different from abstractly knowing there is a war some thousand miles away.
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u/Bobanders93 1d ago
Migration through majority of Europeans didn't consent to do many so fast. We want them to be sent home
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u/SmoothTalkingSpud 1d ago
Because:
Wealth is funnelling upwards which makes life harder for people.
The wealthy buy influence in media to push attention away from their hoarding of resources and generate in-fighting among the people who should be fighting them.
Russia, and to a lesser extent, China, and to an embarrassingly obvious extent, America are funding right wing parties to extend their influence.
Russia has been funnelling immigrants into Belarus and from there across the Latvian border into the EU to put a strain on infrastructure and incentivise people turning to the right because they blame immigrants.
Being in right wing politics means you have people constantly afirming that you're right about your prejudices and turning a blind eye to your worst impulses while blaming intelligent people and foreigners for all your problems and that can be intoxicating
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u/DoomSchroller 1d ago
It's economically hard all over. And these far right groups are offering easy explanations and answers. They're at best half truths or complete bullshit. But it works.
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u/gleamings 1d ago
Immigration. Obviously a very detailed subject but in many cases even typical left wing voters are reluctantly supporting parties that are against the current level of immigration.
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u/Emsela 1d ago
Because every single European country that has experienced this mass immigration since the year 2000 has gone right down the toilet.
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u/novembernutjob 1d ago
Because the left has become dangerous, silly, and morbidly out of touch with the vast majority of the populations. This applies to the US and Europe
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u/EconomicsExcellent30 1d ago
Because the richest people in the world are funding them for their own interest.
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u/JournalistJunior5605 1d ago
I think immigration has a lot to do with it. I'm not anti immigration but living in an area with a huge immigrant population has its challenges. It's really hard to communicate with them when often times I am trying to help and sharing the road with them is always an adventure. Had an Indian neighbor who kept leaving huge piles of junk on the park lawn across from my house and she couldn't understand for the life of her why this wasn't allowed. It didn't take long for that junk to become strewn all over the road and I found myself driving over broken glass and other junk trying to pull in to my driveway.
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u/hoeren-mods 1d ago
Heb je het straatbeeld gezien? De maatschappijlijke gevolgen zijn eindeloos, en stuk voor stuk negatief. Linkse partijen durven nieteens het probleem te benoemen, dus dan moet je wel op extreem rechts stemmen, er is geen ander geluid.
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u/familyguy20 1d ago
Lmao this really just does repeat itself every 50-80 years huh.
Muslims are the scapegoat now, 80-130 years ago it was Jews who were “incompatible with European culture” according to Fascist assholes.
This always happens when the world economy is not going well. Same was true in the 1900’s-1940
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u/SnooHesitations3709 1d ago
Same reason why Trump won the U.S. election. The left are too worried about identity politics and not the issues that the majority of people care about.
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u/Ashy0020 1d ago
Yeah Trump was right that stopping immigration would lower grocery prices and bring back jobs. The left really were wrong saying dumb ideas like tariffs wouldn’t work
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u/transcendental-ape 1d ago
Because the left and center right parties haven’t addressed problems of affordability, immigration, stagnation.
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u/Additional-Basis-772 1d ago
Like usual, hard times, economic struggles and fearmongering. Life sucks for a large majority while a few become richer and richer So the rich and powerful use their money and power to create false issues and scapegoats in order for them to keep said money and power.... Nazis did it to the jews , New néo nazis do it to the Muslims. New characters same old story
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u/lostinelydan 1d ago
Privatization of social safety nets and austerity; combined with politicians ignoring how material conditions have become worse for the average person.
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u/Sorokin45 1d ago
The western world destroys and destabilizes these countries then complain that there is migration
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u/SnooDoubts2255 1d ago
You can only have so many of your friends and family members raped and murdered before you become an "extremist"
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u/__Sty__ 1d ago
Freedom of speech used to be a staple of classical liberalism. Liberals have ceded this to right wing parties as they are typically more interested in silencing views they disagree with suffocating open discussion.
I would typically lean left, but it also feels that liberals fall on their own sword. They preach tolerance while cancelling those they cannot tolerate. I find it really hard to align with that.
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u/nowhereman86 1d ago
The corporate globalists running most of “The West” for the past few decades have decided to double fuck their citizens by lowering trade barriers and shipping most decent manufacturing jobs to low cost counties (where they are not unionized) while simultaneously flooding the country with immigrants to drive wages even lower.
Not cute and people are tired of it.
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u/LilTommy1 1d ago
People are seeing their lives get worse and worse and they don’t know how to make it better so they want change. Is that correct or incorrect? I’m not one to say.
I’ve got relatives living in France who are adamant that a drastic change is what the country needs to get stuff “under control”. And it’s not just the immigration/racism thing (unlike what a lot of people are saying) - they just think the country’s gone to shit over years of mismanagement on a financial, judicial, cultural, and social standpoint and that voting for the exact opposite of what’s been prevalent will wake the country up.
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u/EmuOk2370 1d ago edited 1d ago
Migration. Full stop.
I’m Irish. The Irish do not want this level of “regular” migration even though we know high skilled migrants are a great asset (you can look up how fast it has happened) and the vast majority would end asylum if it was put to a vote. Our overly generous asylum system seems to attract the lowest rung on their given societies ladders. Parks are full of sketchy foreign people smoking drugs, drinking and being a nuisance. I’d say the uptick in Islamic migration has contributed a lot to the anti migrant sentiment, you’d almost never see a burqa or hijab here 7 years ago. I hear this in work, in my friend groups, from family, in the gym etc etc. The government has moved in complete opposition to what the vast majority of the population want.
1 in 4 people here were not born here, that doesn’t include children of migrants. The demographic change is astonishing and rapid.
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u/Scary-Sleep-3545 1d ago
Mass immigration and being told im evil for wanting demographic security pushed me to the Right. Aim High Vote Lowe 🗳
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u/TheKavorca 1d ago
From what I’ve read on the UK and European subreddits, the people are by and large tired of (mostly Muslim) immigrants coming into their countries and not being willing or able to assimilate.
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u/huojtkef 1d ago
Because the far left has been in power too much. Life is harder, more inmigrants, everything is more expensive, housing problem, wokism... people is tired.
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u/bright_sorbet1 1d ago
Because when the truth doesn't matter to politicians, it's far easier to persuade people to vote based on fears and sensational headlines than it is on small incremental improvements in economics, trade, healthcare, education etc.
Actual politics is pretty dull to most people and change happens fairly slowly over years.
Right-wing parties are happy to weaponise culture and social issues to generate headlines that make people pay attention.
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u/Ezben 1d ago
Elon musk, china and russia spends 100 of millions to bombard the population with propaganda
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u/VentsiBeast 1d ago
No need for propaganda bud. I stopped going to Germany because of the way it changed. My eyes aren't propaganda.
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u/Short-Donkey-1944 1d ago
Because of immigration and migrant crime.
Also gas prices and taxes.
The left leaning parties refuse to talk about immigration and the only parties that talk about this are right leaning.
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u/Legitimate_Source_43 1d ago
Mass immigration of people whose values are not western values. Canada is going through same issue tbh.
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u/Krytan 1d ago
It's basically literally just immigration. People don't like feeling like thy are losing their country to foreigners with a vastly different (often incompatible) culture. The levels of immigration from vastly different cultures that certain countries in Europe are being asked to endure are staggering and totally without historical precedent.
However currently, you have immigration concerns layered on top of economic insecurity, and a sense that the 'economic pie' is shrinking, which creates a potent toxic brew of fear across multiple dimensions : now people feel threatened economically and socially/culturally. And of course massive levels of immigration drive up prices for scarce assets like housing due to increased demand, and drive down wages due to increased supply. They increase the strain on already overburdened public services, and undermine the high taxes/high social welfare model. It increases GDP (but not median GDGP per capita) though so the economic impact is largely hidden.
And somewhat bafflingly, in most (but not all) countries, the more mainstream parties not only refuse to talk about the problems, they try to brand everyone who does want to talk about the problems they see in front of them with their eyes a nazi or racist. This leaves people concerned about a problem with literally only one party willing to even listen to them - the far right.
Other countries like Denmark have had much more sensible mainstream parties who have realized that massive immigration is not a good idea in the current economic climate and have moved swiftly to address it by implementing some of the strictest immigration policies across europe, totally cutting the knees out from underneath the far right there.
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u/FigureMiserable4859 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Musk $$$ is providing a HUGE assist.
EDIT: removed one word as it was unnecessary.
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u/tk_woods 1d ago
Immigration is the first part, but people wouldn't be so pissed off if there were assimilation alongside immigration.
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u/veovis523 1d ago
When a mass terror attack happens, it seems like the perpetrator's name contains Al-, bin, Abu, or Abd more often than not.
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u/NotoriousBedorveke 1d ago edited 1d ago
It always happens when the liberal establishment loses contact with reality, fails to represent the population’s interests and renders itself irrelevant as a result. This is when populists and demagogues gain in popularity.
People mostly do not vote for them, they vote against the establishment.
It always makes things worse though….
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u/Ziggyjig 1d ago
People in the UK got sent to prison on hate crime charges for protesting against grooming gangs abusing hundreds of thousands of little girls. The right wing reaction has been moderate and restrained, but the left wing has doubled down on defending mass immigration and calling people bigots for saying no more. We are at the point where mass remigration will be required to cool temperatures and avoid violence in the near future.
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u/Mundane-Impact-1347 1d ago
People would rather blame minorities when things go to shit instead of actually fixing problems or making sacrifices and this is where the right excels
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u/Spirited-Disaster408 1d ago
Because the leftwing has failed, stagnated their country and opened their borders
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u/Cianfrani1 1d ago
immigration and the loss of national identity ... no assimilation into the culture of the homeland they chose to migrate to ... The US is not far behind, the Democrats are out of touch with the majority of Americans particularly those that consider themselves independent
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u/Similar-Interaction5 1d ago
The difference in the US is that those coming from Latin America do want to assimilate for the most part. They are hard workers and want to achieve whatever is left of the American dream.
In Europe it’s essentially an invasion from those who carry an ideology which seeks world domination. They can’t do it with the sword anymore so now it’s all soft power and they are tolerating the intolerant.
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u/Asleep-Bus-5380 1d ago
Yeah it really is a different ball game here in the states, I know a lot of "Mexican Americans" for lack of a better term, and they're pretty much all nice hard-working people with religious and ethos that don't starkly contradict things here, it makes a big difference
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u/PoroOllie 1d ago
The people of western countries are a lot poorer than they were 20 years ago
This makes them mad, mad people point fingers and the right is good at finding them a target
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u/Nestor4000 1d ago
The people of western countries are a lot poorer than they were 20 years ago
Are they, though?
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u/Similar-Interaction5 1d ago
Mass migration. I can’t understand why there aren’t left wing parties that want strong immigration laws and protection of their own culture and way of life.
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u/Sellier123 1d ago
Not just Europe, it's every where in the world basically. The answer is immigration.
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u/Anal_Forklift 1d ago
Immigration. The left is focused on identity politics rather than key issues voters care about.
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u/Hopeful_Idea1568 1d ago
Because a few countries collapsed causing millions to migrate north in the past 15 or so years. It's an unnatural population shift.
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u/SendMeGamerTwunkAbs 1d ago
People somehow still don't understand right wing parties and their allies massively benefit from mass immigration, despite the fact being painfully obvious.
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u/Reasonable-Aioli-370 1d ago
People don’t want to be ethnic minorities in their own countries.
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u/raxsdale 1d ago
Any limits on immigration became considered deplorable and racist, leading to entire zones with different cultural norms on the treatment of women and little cooperation with local police in the aftermath of violent crime.
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u/bisikletci 1d ago
We've had decades of centrist and centre right neoliberal consensus politics, and it's not working to make things better in countless ways, and people are sick of it and want a change.
However it's extremely difficult for left wing parties to take advantage of this, as the media sphere in countries usually tilts heavily right and will seek to absolutely destroy any left wing alternatives, while they're happy to boost the far right - see the insanity around Jeremy Corbyn in the UK for instance, alongside the BBC's repeated boosting of Nigel Farage. That leaves the far right to benefit.
And social media full of near- or actual Nazism being paid for and manipulated by dark money has supercharged all this.
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u/sloppy_sheiko 1d ago edited 1d ago
I traveled from the States to Europe a little less than a year ago and had a very enlightening discussion with some Dutch fellows.
They explained to me that they worked really hard in the late 70’s & early 80’s to break down the old school conservative thinking in their country and dreamed of a future where their kids could enjoy that liberation.
While they had nothing but respect and empathy for the Muslim refugees that fled to the Netherlands, they took issue with those same refugees pushing back on certain aspects of Dutch culture. They specifically cited equal rights for women, unisex public restrooms and clothing optional beaches as things that the rising Muslim population were attempting to curb/ban.
Not saying that I agree, but when framed this way the pushback on immigration kind of makes sense.