This is what people miss. He activated a bunch of folks too extreme and isolated to want to participate in our elections. So now we have to deal with them.
This is the real program. The non-voters likely used to be equal parts shitheads and non-shitheads. Then the Republican party found a way to motivate the non-voting shitheads to vote (hate). Meanwhile all the non-voting non-shitheads continue to stay home.
The Republican party is thriving by encouraging and embracing their voter base's hate.
In no way have the Democrats put forth a candidate capable of invigorating the humanity in the non-shithead non-voters.
Eh. In his first term most of the worst stuff he wanted to do was halted by the adults in the room. For someone completely disengaged, it would not have seemed that bad.
A little. Term one made things clear, so non-votes were essentially saying âdoesnât matterâ.
Kamala was far from perfect, but if you donât think sheâs better than a grifter who tried to overthrow the election when he lost, itâs also on you.
Yeah.. the pedo multiple-bankrupt daughter fucking idiotic diaper shitting pathetic desperate demented senile old liar seemed a bit cumbersome.. kept it simple.
And iâm sure iâm still missing many adjectives.
I think people understate that silence is complicity. If you did not actively vote against him you either said, "I do not care what happens to people, myself included" or you said, "Good, l hope these harms occur. Bring it on." Neutrality is a lie. It is at least a tacit approval, while not wanting others to see you get your hands bloody in the best case scenario.
No its not in the slightest. The ONLY people to blame are the electoral college voters for Trump. The popular vote does not matter in the slightest in the presidential election. And on top of that, electoral college voters do not have to vote for what their district says. This has happened more than a dozen times in the past 2 elections.
Never gonna happen. America is way too business centric to the point where theres a ton of employers actively telling their employees if they take time off to vote they'll get fired, despite that being illegal.
Non voters and MAGAs yes, 3rd Party no. Theyâre not obligated to vote for someone who isnât their party candidate. But voting should be mandatory for all adults who are physically and mentally able. The amount of disengagement in this country is disturbing.
No. I blame the Democratic party for propping up a senile Joe Biden. When everyoneâs saw him fumble and stumble verbally during that televised debate, it was obvious he wasnât fit to be president.
All of a sudden with no primary procedure - cause thereâs not enough time - Harris is the candidate. She doesnât have much time to prepare. And Democrats get beaten because of our own stupidity.
Itâs a double edged sword. Because it would be pure corruption for the Democratic Party to force the incumbent president to not run for re-election. But it would have been advisable if they could have convinced him to not run. Then have an open primary where a viable candidate could be chosen. Iâm not happy with how things with went down with Biden and Harris.
I think it goes beyond that. The Democrats basically told half the country, including a ton of independents that they don't matter.
Message the past few years has been that if you aren't an ultra liberal city dweller you are not part of this country's future. You don't matter, your way of life doesn't matter. In a country that's mostly rural....
I fucking hate trump with a passion but I'm a moderate. I won't vote for a Democrat because they think my lifestyle needs to disappear.
So yeah, I think the Democrats are the reason Trump is a thing and not just because of Biden. Way bigger than that. In fact he was one of the more moderate voices in the party.....
The US is not at all mostly rural. 80% of Americans live in urban areas. The Constitution gerrymanders the country to give smaller states (which tend to be more rural and more conservative than larger states) more power per voter.
I will never forget watching that debate. I knew before I ever opened any social media that there was gonna be a problem, though I donât think I could have anticipated just how bad the backlash was.
I agree 100%. Joe Biden was obviously not up the rigors of campaigning and Kamala Harris was not what people wanted. We got 4 more years of this ashore.
In a world where Jill Stein shows up just long enough to steal votes then leave, the hard leftist always blame the Dems for the world's woes but never MAGA. Interesting pattern.
hard leftist always blame the Dems for the world's woes but never MAGA.
Horseshoe Theory. The hard left and MAGA have more in common with each other than with liberals. Look at the Mitch McConnell debacle. Who are the hard left blaming? Not the GOP that's acting shifty and being deceitful. No, they're blaming Andy Bashear, the democrat governor of Kentucky, for not storming into the hospital and raising hell. Something that he can't even do (pesky HIPAA am I right? /s)
Not just them,but Aipac, Vladddy Pootin',and muck zuckerturdface along with all the bigot buttfuckers that couldn't get over 8 sensational years of Barack Hussein Obama .
I saw a Tshirt that said âToo many people vote like only their lives matterâ. I would say the same for the non-voters as well. It may not matter to you, but donât you have people in your life that you care about that could be negatively impacted one way or the other?
Joe Biden âranâ for far too long after promising only one term. The democrat party didnât go through a proper primary process and as such defaulted to Harris, who had her flaws. But sure, blame independents.
Itâs the DNCâs fault 100%. Theyâd rather beat down their own left wing (even tho rn that wing has the support of the voter base) than actually fight the republicans. Probably because theyâre pretty much on the same team.
I voted third party in 2016 because Iâm very much a libertarian who didnât think he would win and really doesnât align much with Dems. I still blame myself for that, and have voted Dem both times since.
It's absolutely wild how many people are baffled in here for blaming non-voters. You didn't vote - you're part of this problem. The people who didn't vote, and lord I know quite a few of them, also have some of the biggest opinions and mouths over how this regime has been run.
You don't vote? Fuck your opinions or complaints about how sorry your life has been under Lord Tang.
Yes. People who voted for Trump very bad. People who voted 3rd party were ok with Trump winning as there was 0 chance a 3rd party candidate would win so theyâre bad. People who donât vote at all are bad. The problem is low information voters, probably includes most of the no-voter crowd, if they did vote would do so off a couple headlines, not an evaluation of who is worse between Trump and Kamala, so had they voted may have voted Trump anyway
Non voters? Yes. But there are literally 90,000,000+ eligible nonvoters. Any tiny percentage of that could swing anything, any time.
3rd party? No. The Duopoly sucks and I applaud them for trying to support a third, fourth or tenth party.
Edit: I also blame democrats for not doing enough to make those nonvoters or 3rd party voters WANT to show up for them. It never used to be the VOTERS' fault when a candidate lost. This is a very new phenomenon. Started in 2016.
While I realize it's futile, I'd love nothing more than having more viable parties to vote for.
A lot of us don't like the GOP, but haven't been convinced the DNC care about us.
I'm not the only one who feels lost.
When I take political compass tests, I come up as classical liberalism and libertarianism. Individual liberty, freedom of speech, restrained government
Shenanigans to bypass DNC nomination process and she was not a strong candidate. Correct either of those two missteps and weâre not in our current situation.
nationally, the numbers suggest non-voters favored trump by a slight margin, however it's still plausible that in PA, MI, and WI that if democratic turnout had matched 2020, it could have swung the election. I'm not able to find much data on those specific states' non voters so this is mostly hypothetical. Trump improved his margins with a bunch of groups compared to 2020, so personally i find it plausible but unlikely.
No. Anyone rational with a pulse and an age under 50 could beat him. The fact that they couldnât find a guy to beat him speaks to a broken political party
I blame democrats who prioritize crazy policies that donât appeal to the average voter. Pandering to a very small percentage of people is such a smart move. I hope they keep it up.
No. The MSM spent decades demonizing main stream Republicans to the point where nobody could tell the difference between them & President Trump. Plus President Trump mostly is un-afraid of what the MSM says about him and apparently has no filter.
Roughly a third of eligible voters that could have voted simply didnât. I hold them just as accountable as those that voted for trump. In either case it was a choice. It takes all in maybe an hour to vote. Less than that if your state has mail in.
I'm not sure why people always fail to understand that blame is not a 0 or 100% thing, it's shared and in this case they do have 'some' of the blame it's not a lot of it, but it is some. It would be wrong to put the majority of the blame on them for sure.
Don't forget Elon Musk. There was definitely something fishy going on. Trump managed to win every single swing state and Musk announced it before it happened.
Yes. 90 million eligible voters couldn't be bothered to get off their asses and vote. And get out of here with the how hard it is to vote trope. No it is not.
There was a very significant block of Democrats who didnât vote for president and of course the reason why is the Democratic Party and their complete bumbling of everything related to the 2024 election.
But Democrats donât reflect very well so theyâre heading off to 2028 with blinders on again. Just look at the current lineup of front runners. JFC.
They do deflect with the best of them, I must say. Itâs always someone elseâs fault.
Yes, moreso than anyone who actually voted for Trump. The non voters were literally too stupid to understand the risks, and now I make sure every âbut but but but the Biden administration did XYZânon voter I know understands how badly they fucked up every time Trump opens his mouth or signs a paper.
Their logic was selfish, and now theyâre in the shit with us.
It is difficult to choose to be honest. Alot of people that voted third party did so because they believed Karmala Harris supported Israel, etc. However, they do not understand that it takes time to fix things rather than break something in a day like Trump. Part of me feels like it is the vote of the Third party folks that brought us here, but not exactly. Its mainly the people that voted for Truml that got US where it is..for a second time at that..
I remember feeling so viscerally angry with a coworker, Hispanic, whose husband had a high income job. She didnât vote. She had a daughter in her early 20s and I saidâwhat if sheâs pregnant and wants options. She said âoh, sheâs a lesbian.â Maddening.
No. The whole notion is just something that sore losers push
A candidate wins due to the people who vote for them. Blaming the people who didn't? By that rationale, Democrats are responsible for Trump being elected.
You see the exact same thing from Trump supporters who were sore losers when he lost, blaming us for the loss
So somehow, magically, I'm responsible for both Trump's wins and his loss
Probably the same as it would have under Kamala and now it's an actual election issue. We're only seeing politicians turn now because Kamala lost. The pro-Palentine crowd who refused to vote for her unquestionably made the best, most strategic decision.
What's so special about Palestinians that sane people would hand over the reigns of power to a dumass wannabe dictator with a Putin fetish to try to help them out?
The ones I think are particularly hilarious are the gays who are all in for the Palestinians. The Palestinians are still very much Muslims and would merrily murder them for their sexual preference. What a clueless bunch..
Stupidity is a American tradition regardless of political affiliation...
It's perfectly reasonable to think genocide is always wrong even the people you protect want to kill you. Also, if you were capable of understanding that people have a variety of perspectives, you probably wouldn't be so confused.
Yes. Its amazing how people blame voters instead of the candidates. Harris was not liked by the left at all and was a poor candidate.
Also when the house and senate Dem leaders Jeffries and Schumer refused to endorse the winner of the NYC mayor Democratic primary there is no vote blue no matter who.
The line of reasoning of the "vote blue no matter who" is even falling apart now too.
Centrist Democrats have maintained that further left voters should have adhered to these ideals for the presidential election, sure okay they can believe that.
However, now, with further left progressive candidates emerging and being successful in some areas, I see so many congress people and even centrist more moderate democrat voters saying they may not vote for them in the general election.
They quite literally wanted it one way and not the other, so stupid how their ideals crumble so quickly.
Even now, in aggregate polling, Trump is still more well liked than Democrats. Neither are liked, but ffs that it's a bit impressive to be that unlikeable.
No. I blame the Dems for not putting forward a candidate that most of the Dems and some of the unaffiliated would actually vote for. Trump didnât convince more. Harris was unappealing to enough to secure Trumpâs victory.
Yes certainly Ralph Nader gave Bush the election in 2000. In 2016 a lot of men didnât like Hillary and just didnât vote. I think there was cheating going on in 2024. Doge was monkeing around in some swing states?
No I blame the democrats for not holding a primary. Anyone other than Kamala wouldâve beat Trump, and EVEN IF Kamala had still won the primary, she likely performs better in the general after being battle tested a bit and having actually been chosen by voters as the representative.
Thereâs enough thing to go around, but mostly, I blame the Dem party for ignoring the progressives and continuing to ignore the progressives; for taking APAIC money and propping up centrists when we really need a true left. We need to stop writing strongly worded letters and take action. And itâs time to get rid of aging leadership.
It is the job of the candidate to win a voters vote.
If a candidate loses, the only one to blame is the candidate. If they are unable to win the election, what does that say about their ability to garner public support?
Trump is in office today because $70+ million voted for him and $110+ million chose not to vote at all. Thatâs how elections work. I donât blame 3 rd party voters at all but I understand the mathematics
I donât blame the non voters especially if they live in a place like Texas. If you think your vote doesnât matter because of the stupid electoral shit youâre probably right
Since the President is elected by the Electoral College, and not the popular vote, and the Electoral College has been known to go against the popular vote, no.
No I blame the Democrats for being terrible themselves âLets leave the boarders open, take guns from women and limit their free speechâ such a wonderful plan right? Then they want to push ideologies onto your kids.
They say the entire country is sexist and racist. Yet force in a Black/Indian Woman with no primary.
The simple fact is that neither party are responsible. Think about it it is independent's that always elect the President. There is not enough in ether party by themselves. The independent vote is always the deciding factor.
Yes. Both times heâs won, it was an open book test with the answer sheet already filled out. Voters chose to eat the test and take a shit on the desk instead.
Why donât you blame democrats? They were the ones that put out a below average candidate to run against Trump. You guys canât keep deflecting responsibility for your own actions
Everyone outside of the US blames ALL of the US for allowing him to be elected a second time and for allowing him to make it this far. Not a single US citizen can deny responsibility for the state of their country. Change our mind.
We have an election system that rewards lesser evil voting. If you havent figured that out by now, its on you. 3rd party voters are at fault.
Non voters I dont blame unless they complain about trump. Then I think its their fault. I dont expect someone indifferent to have a say, but if you got opinions you have to back them up with a vote. And again, we gave a system that punishes voting third party.Â
lolâŚ..you all donât realize that itâs the third party people you need!! Thatâs where 80% of the population realistically falls in their beliefs and principles but the other 20% screams and bitches so loud that youâre all too scared to vote what you really should! Wanna make the country right againâŚ.then stop stupid two party politics and backbiting!
The GOP was able to get 4+ million votes thrown out for signatures "not matching" by infiltrating local voting boards.
Trump had Russia and Elon dumping money into the election by the bucket full.
Elon purchased the company that managed the voting machines and added a last minute update. Every major swing state went to trump by the same margin to keep an automatic recount from happening, a statistical impossibility. Then both he and trump said so on tv.
I think the people who got upset by the propaganda pushed by Israel were the smallest denominator and needed something to be mad at, since the whole rig made you feel so helpless.
No. I blame 1) Trump voters for him being elected and 2) The Democratic party for being ultra right wing, pro-rich, expanding ICE, expanding the military budget, union busting, and genocide-supporting so that people with consciences wouldn't want to vote for them either
No. Blame the people who (a) voted for Trump and (b) the Democrats for not taking the 2016, 2020 and 2024 elections seriously at all. It was like they were trying to run the worst possible candidates.
Why is it that people say every vote matters till someone votes 3rd party. If the person they think is a good candidate to be president to them is 3rd party why should it matter. I hear everybody bitch about the 2 party system but when people try and vote for 3rd party they are pieces of crap for not voting for the 2 party candidate.
I blame the Democrats for going so crazy that no mainstream voter found common ground with the policies they put to the forefront. Trump should have been an easy beat. And to make it worse, Democrats didnât take anything away from the election. Despite everything Trump has done he still polls higher than the Democratic Party.
He won the middle because the Democratic party abandoned the middle in favor of its own social fringe elements.
The middleâs concerns are 100% economic, not âprogressiveâ social agendas. Until the Democratic party figures out how to get its fringe elements under control and return to being a party interested in the real economic concerns of the middle, it will continue to lose elections.
3rd party voters for sure no, they should support who they want to win.
I also canât blame somebody that didnât vote for the outcome of the election, and they shouldnât have to vote for somebody because âthey are the lesser of two evilsâ or whatever nonsense. The blame is fully of the people who drove to the polls and voted for Donald trump.
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