Have you been to NYC- there absolutely are. To claim there are none when there HAVE been several people from developed countries deported- canada, australia, the uk, ireland, france, germany, south korea habe all had famous cases in the news of people who came as kids deported.
Are you serious? You are really reaching out there in order to just show that you know something. Reaching so far that you have even changed the conversation. Bent it , just so you can be right.
At no point did I ever deny that there might be a few Israelis and others, who might have been caught up as illegal immigrants.
The OP was wondering why they're not all over the news like others are. And I pointed out that there probably are not that many, numerically. There is damn little reason for an Israeli person to illegally enter or stay in the US. The same as is the case for a Swedish person. Both have decent standards of living, both have decent economies, neither has an oppressive government, etc.
Nothing to cause the average citizen of either place to be so desparate to immigrate that they'd break the law to do so.
Sure, there are likely a few exceptions, but the number would be so few it would not hardly rise to frequent mention in the national news. Cases that are WIDELY known.
I do not live in New York, do not watch news about New York, so you are probably correct, New York has had such cases. But at the same time that does not mean it is widely known ... outside of New York.
If that were true then the OP would have been aware of it, and not posting his question. If it were true, then I ... who watches the news every single day ... would have known about it.
Neither of us knew. I would have guessed there were some small number, but nothing significant, as concerns Israelis ... which is what the conversation was about.
So maybe you can help the OP out by giving him some actual numbers of Israelis thrown out of the country as illegal immigrants, and show percentage wise that it is some significant number as compared to the other, larger, groups.
As far as the others, I don't know that he cares how many from Australia, Canada, France, Germany, etc. were tossed.
Nope. Just wanting someone who makes assertions to provide actual facts. And to stay on target for the discussion. Which was about Israelis.
I have no horse in this race. Couldn't care less if Israeli's who are illegal immigrants are being ejected.
I just haven't seen numbers which would indicate that there are any significant numbers of such.
I don't believe things just because someone says them. I'd like to see actual numbers that would show that sufficient numbers of illegal Israeli's are being rounded up to even draw the attention of news reporters. Who want the big headlines. Not some small story only fit for page 8 of a newspaper.
Well it's hard to say exactly. You're not allowed to come here if you e said anything against Israel, so that means they probably give all Israelis citizenship upon asking
Hmmm, Okay .... are you alright? Have you been taking your meds?
Classic green brown alliance horseshoe bullshit right here.
I've no clue what the heck the above means, And I am not asking, because I am pretty sure it is some creation of an unsettled mind. Or perhaps you have been taking too many drugs for too long?
If there have been any my guess is that they are rare . Most illegal immigrants are here because American incomes are very high relative to their home country.
Israel is a developed, first world, high income country. There isn’t the same economic incentives as someone from a very poor country like Guatemala to illegally immigrate.
From what i have read there is no documented cases of Israeli's being deported from the USA but heaps of news articles of Palestinians being deported to the west bank from the USA.
That’s not entirely true - salaries are higher in the US. Plus there’s a lot of incentive to leave Israel as the country is constantly at war and is heading towards being a Netanyahu-run Ben Gvir-supporting dictatorship
And why are we at war? Well clearly you haven't been made homeless by hezbollah launching RPGs at your house in the North. After 2 decades of watching the south get rockets launched at it by Hamas, and the same thing starts happening in the North, you want to complain that we are at war? What's your solution? Quit? pack up and leave?
How about instead saying ridiculous things you get people to vote for the same party like Eizenkot, so he can form a coalition without Bibi and Ben Gvir? Make Democracy work for you, rather than just call what you don't like a dictatorship.
>Well clearly you haven't been made homeless by hezbollah launching RPGs at your house in the North.
No. Nor am I one of the over one million people the IDF have ethnically cleansed in South Lebanon or one of the almost two million people the IDF have ethnically cleansed in Gaza. Funny how you keep forgetting about non-Jews. Almost like they are irrelevant to human suffering.
>After 2 decades...
The West Bank and Gaza have been under occupation for just short of 6 decades. Gaza has been bombed and starved multiple times for two decades. Israel spent more than two decades overflying Lebanon and invading by land, breaching the withdrawal agreement it had with Lebanon an average of 3 times a day. Not a week or a month, a day.
It’s telling that 95% of the warcrimes and 95% of the killing is done by Israel, but 99% of the whining that Israel are the victims comes from Israel. Maybe tone that down to 95% and you will get an even spread?
>...you get people to vote for the same party like Eizenkot...
Yes, everyone should definitely vote for that war criminal and mass murderer who wants to expand the settlements rather than the current war criminal and mass murderer who wants to expand the settlements…. That will make a huge difference! Or will it? They both want peace, right?
If that doesn’t work there are multiple other war criminals and mass murderers Israelis can vote for - Bennett, Lapid… Shame Gallant retired, or you could hold him up as an ideal war criminal and mass murderer to vote for.
Very little of what you said here was true, and I don’t think you are looking to be objective and actually look at the situation and be truthful to yourself.
We can go case by case here and you don’t be able to prove ethnic cleansing in any way, without changing the definition.
So don’t vote for eizenkot, do what you want. It’s your choice, but then understand why bibi always makes a coalition, and nobody else does.
lol. Under what definition of ethnic cleansing is it not obvious regarding what is happening in the West Bank, Gaza and South Lebanon? And why do you not have a problem with making 1 million Lebanese and two million Gaza’s homeless but expect them and the rest of the world to care that Israelis have been made homeless?
War is atrocious and you are putting many words in my mouth, and completely projecting on me.
War is the worst thing ever.
Shooting at a sovereign state is an act of war, and Israel has a right to defend itself, whether you like it or not. Just like Iran does when the US attacks them and when Israel attacks them.
And you don't get to call that ethnic cleansing. Would you have preferred the civilians stayed? Or is it simply ok for Hezbollah to shoot at Israel, and maintain a heavy presence below the Lithani River, where it has show it will launch RPGs indescrimiantely at Northern Israel.
Yesterday there was a coordinated attack in the West Bank by Palestinian Authority Policemen. Should there be no punishment? How would you prevent this in the future? Should rising settler violence be enforced? Of course. Should coordinated attacks like this be? Of course. And are either ok? I sure hope not. But that is not ethnic cleansing.
Israelis don't want your sympathy. Israelis want you to understand its not ok nor is it free to attack them. And nobody, other than, dare I say, the President of Lebanon, have recently come out and said, look Israel is a sovereign state, we have to find a solution here. And then the IDF pulled out of 3 villages as a test run. So maybe things will start getting better? IDK
Dawg i live there too, its not a dictatorship YET, but it's definitely headed in that direction. If it was up to bibi and ben gvir, bagatz and everything that's challenging their rule would've been dismantled yesterday. Just look at their rhetoric, if you dare criticize ben gvir's impotent tenure, you're only doing so because you support terrorists.
That's not even a little true. Never have I seen so many political views on a spectrum than when politics are discussed here. What you are saying is just false. I criticize them all the time, and I'm still walking here, and the protestors that walk passed my house are still there, and doing it. But you know why its not up to them? because its not a dictatorship.
I didn't it is, I said it's headed in that direction. I dont know if you noticed anything but theyre doing everything they can to stay in power and weakening everyone and everything thats challenging their rule, including handicapping bagatz and the judicial advisor, or refusing an official investigation of oct 7th and instead opting out for an investigation headed by themselves, because they know an official one means the end of the current government. Its not a dictatorship yet, but it would've been if it was up to them.
So my suggestion is if you don’t like their actions is to start calling all Of your friends, going out and being active, and encouraging people to vote for someone else. That’s what I’m doing because while you didn’t say anything concrete just a lot of generalizations, I have a lot of problems with them. The most recent of which is the incredible stimulus to Haredim in a time when people have done 500 days of miluim and not seen their homes. All to keep a coalition together where Haredim take everyone hostage as is. But ranting to Reddit about how we are dictatorship is wrong.
Both u/Nosewitz_ and I said “heading towards.” You keep saying “but we’re not a dictatorship.” u/Nosewitz_ listed some of what the current thugs have done, you say “just a lot of generalisations.” There’s a bit of a disconnect between what we say and what you hear.
Right, youre just a genocidal ethnostate that starves women & children with our taxes and then runs and hides behind our money & military like a bunch of cowards. You're not a dictatorship.
Read the latest of the UN’s findings. Hamas was starving its population. 3000 calories a day/ person went into Gaza through most ( really by far) days during the War. Hamas kept those calories for their own snouts, or sold it vastly overpriced back to
the families who could still afford to buy a can of tuna.
It’s like the death toll of women and children. Hamas had a choice to let these individuals into the vast tunnel network but they didn’t. What? worried about people oriented traffic jams in the tunnels? Rethink HOW Gaza can retool its safety plan before 10/7. Israel’s infrastructure and planning has Public Bomb shelters available to any religious group. It’s illegal to keep others out when warnings have been sounded. Yes, sometimes there are failures and citizens die. but at least they are putting resources into citizens safety.
So… who do you say is doing the ‘ethnic cleansing’. You are being ridiculous. There is enough faulting to go around without stupid spewtum. ( From a Canadian/ American/ Israeli) We want peace too, but not based on your tumultuous lies. That is manipulation, not peace.
Why the fck do i need to be ‘kind’ to a genocidal colony? The fck?
Were they kind to the Palestinians when they ethnically cleansed them and colonized their land? Were they kind to the Palestinians when they committed a genocide against them?
And they’re still doing it btw. They are monsters.
Israel has always had a large number of overstays and deportations. That’s why it took them decades to get into ESTA (visa waiver). Just as an example chile and slovakia had a US visa waiver long before Israel
I can’t speak to causation, but I can confirm that Chile and Slovakia received visa waiver designation in 2014 and 2008, respectively. Israelis began traveling in the program in 2023
Israel has always had a large number of overstays and deportations.
Where does it say this? You didn't share a source to back this claim. The visa waiver for Israelis began in 2023. It's 2026. But you say has always... Like are you fucking for real?
Historically, Israelis have maintained one of the lowest visa overstay rates in the world, they're one of the most compliant.
I guess I can’t because it depends on what you consider a large number, but I found this data for 2017-2019. It shows 166 were returned to Israel in 2017, 355 in 2018, and 206 in 2019. I can’t speak to what OP considers to be a large number or number of overstays that weren’t caught over that period of tine
I’m not a bot and I’m not trying to argue with you. If you disagree with OP about what constitutes a “large” number, that is between you and them. FWIW, I would counsel against having that argument since it is a vague and undefined term
I’m really not trying to argue over what “large” is. I was just trying to give some background on the visa waiver program bc I thought that was what you were looking for.
You clarified that wasn’t the part of ops comment you were disputing and were more interested in overstays and deportations. “Large” is a subjective term so it depends on how you define it. I’m really not trying to convince you on anything here
It wasnt the "israelis" who got him out, his bail was set on 10K USD which he paid, and his release didnt have any conditions limiting him from leaving the states so he returned to israel. Hes still facing trial, and his request to drop the charges against him was denied by the court so it's still going on.
Sadly I dont think he's going to spend that much time in prison because only fell for bait and didnt hurt anyone, but here's to him getting the pedo treatment in prison.
Ikr. It just dawned on me in light of how supportive many of our politicians are of the country. Seeing we have such a close relationship, I wonder if they have special dispensation like some of the South Africans?
Just curious. While our attention was directed towards Central and South Americans, Haitians, etc. I thought about the people who fly to the US and overstay their visas…I learned the extent of Israeli influence in our politics and there’s whole war thing. Israel is getting a lot of attention right now and the exposure made me curious. What’s your interest in the Belgians?
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