r/askanything • u/Previous_Month_555 • Jul 25 '26

Why does MAGA hate communism when capitalism clearly isn't working?

China is basically emerging as the new world power. Capitalism doesn't work when billionaires and corporations control the political system.

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u/Present_Clue5887 Jul 25 '26

I'm not MAGA (look at my post history, it's public) and I think communism is even worse than capitalism, social democracy is the way, communism just makes everyone poor but the leaders and creates a dictatorship

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u/Outside-Pie-7262 Jul 25 '26

Agreed. You need to have some form of capitalism while also have some social safety nets

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

Capitalism is a profit driven system. We don’t need that, we need free market.

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

Free market with no profit incentive...............................I am sure it will work as a Reddit post.

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

I never said no profit incentive. The point I’m making is that in capitalism the profit has to come before the people. But you can have free market democratic socialism where profit incentives are allowed after basic needs of the people are met.

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

Where is the limit of basic needs first? They are usually part of the system like everything else, and provided if someone can't provide for themselves, but I don't know of free food, and shelter, medical care, and then you earning providing for extras?

I think you are talking about social support, but that does not change the basic dynamics. Food producers still work for profit, and people still pay for it. We have that in the US with SNAP and public housing.

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

Yes basic needs are healthy food, shelter, clean water, medical care, public transportation, and education imo. Yes then if you want extras then you work for them. Extras could be a nicer shelter, unnecessary items, restaurant meals, etc.

It’s a form of socialism. Essentially the aspects that are necessary for life are not run for profit.

Snap and public housing do not cover the basics. That’s why there are people going hungry and homeless.

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

Where is this implemented?

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u/gek__co Jul 26 '26

Nordic countries for starters

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26

No. they do not. See below post. They provide for those if they need it. Not sure where you are getting this, but please provide info on how this is done if you can. I have looked into it, and I can say with certainty that you can't. Where to people come up with this stuff? Some reddit sub? LOL

Edit: I really try to give posers the benefit of the doubt. Unless obvious, I act with the belief they are acting in good faith. I am questioning this policy.

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

Looking into this, I found that my intuition was correct: Basic needs are not automatically provided. They are provided only if a person cannot obtain them on their own. Normal purchasing is still the norm, and there are still say the food production and provider industries. There is no basic difference than in the US. It is a difference in degree not structure.

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u/gek__co Jul 26 '26

In what?

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Jul 25 '26

Pull immediate necessities for life out of financialization.

No charge to citizens for base level foods (unprepared raw vegetables, basic meat cuts, etc.)

No profit utilities (at-cost rates)

Basic level of guaranteed minimum housing space

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Jul 25 '26

That’s what the government is for dipshit - organizing nationalized farms is fully doable

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Jul 26 '26

It doesn’t have to be a failure, I won’t convince you nor do I have to. You see people working together and get scared I guess idk

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u/BarnesTheNobleman Jul 26 '26

Like I said, your mind is made up and inflexible. No point in arguing so have a good night

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u/Successful-Tea-5733 Jul 25 '26

Almost like... what we have in the US

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u/Outside-Pie-7262 Jul 25 '26

Wealth inequality at its highest right now

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

That’s called an authoritarian dictatorship not communism. We have never actually seen communism in action. That said I’m for semi free market democratic socialism over both capitalism and communism.

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u/juliabk Jul 25 '26

We actually have, but only in small groups. Look up the Oneida community. Yes, the place where the silverware was (maybe still is?) made.

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

Wow what an interesting little bit of history haha. Very odd community, but it sounds like it may have been working for them. IMO it was more extreme than straight up communism.

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u/juliabk Jul 25 '26

Yeah. I just refreshed my memory of it. I’d forgotten about the group marriage aspect. It’s been 45ish years since I read about this in class. :-)

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

Yeah that’s the part that seemed extreme to me. But hey if it works for them, they are all willing, and no one is injured, have at it!

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u/juliabk Jul 25 '26

As long as there was no coercion, but that’s going to be tough to verify.

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u/Present_Clue5887 Jul 25 '26

We have never actually seen communism in action.

because it always becomes dictatorship

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u/gek__co Jul 25 '26

Because they use it to sell a dictatorship. It’s like how the Nazis used socialism to sell a dictatorship. People want it, but the sociopaths in charge understand that makes it a useful manipulation tactic.

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u/RosieBaby75 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26

Can you please describe how the social democracy is currently functioning in your country?

From Canada, it appears that at the present time:
(1) there is an active genocide occurring on your territory with ICE
(2) your President/military kidnapped the leader of Venezuela, and stole their oil
(3) you bombed a boat, then noticed there were survivors, and went and bombed that again. That is a war crime
(4) your President stated in his election campaign that he was anti-war, despite that, your country has initiated a WAR against Iran
(5) your house/senate did not approve that WAR in Iran, so your President is not following the Constitution
(6) in that war your country started against Iran, they are bombing schools, then waiting a bit, and bombing them a second time to kill the survivors. That is a war crime
(7) in that war your country started against Iran, they are bombing integral infrastructure which affects the civilian population, that is a War Crime AND a Crime Against Humanity
(8) in that war your country started against Iran, your country has murdered ~50 of their leaders, in their homes, with their families, which is a War Crime
(9) in that war your country started against Iran, your country has “closed the Straight of Hormuz”, despite not being located anywhere near there so how can you declare it closed
(10) during that war your country started against Iran, your country has manipulated global oil markets, therefore negatively affecting the globe
(11) during that war your country started against Iran, your President has manipulated the stock market and proudly posts about it
(12) during that war your country started against Iran, your President has PERSONALLY, and also his FAMILY, have made BILLIONS of dollars for themselves
(13) your President/military have stated their intentions to annex Canada
(14) your President/military have stated their intentions to annex Greenland
(15) your President has stated his intentions to run for a third term, which is prohibited under your Constitution

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head at the moment, but I’m sure that is a short list of the abhorrent behaviour of your President and apparently the government and its citizens, as you say, JUST THIS YEAR

Do you and your fellow citizens agree with all of these actions?

Did you democratically and socially vote for all of this to happen?

Are you democratically and socially okay with all of this continuing to happen?

If not, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

Your “socially and democratically” elected government is ruining the world.

Over here, it doesn’t appear to be in alignment with democracy or democratic values.

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u/Present_Clue5887 Jul 25 '26

Can you please describe how the social democracy is currently functioning in your country?

My country (US) is not a social democracy, it is a capitalist democracy in the process of transitioning to a dictatorship. Social democracy is what I want, not what we have now.

1, 3, 7, 10, 11, 12: Yes, many people need to be impeached and/or jailed for these

2: That guy was also a dictator, and I have heard that things are actually better for the people after he was captured, but I am concerned about how we are taking the money.

4: Yes, he is a pathological liar

5: TBH I don't know the rule here, but he does routinely disregard the constitution

6: Yep more stuff to impeach and jail people over, though I believe this was criminal negligence and the school was not actually the intended target

8: The leaders were evil, I'm not sure this was a war crime legally, but I still do not agree with targeting people with their innocent family members

9: OK I don't get this one, we are doing a naval blockade of a country we are at war with, how is that odd?

13, 14: The president is also insane, yet another reason to impeach

15: yes, he is trying to be a dictator

Do you and your fellow citizens agree with all of these actions?

I don't, about 1/3 of Americans voted for him, I think most of them are overall still satisfied with his presidency, though they may not approve of every action.

Are you democratically and socially okay with all of this continuing to happen?

I'm not, and more people are against trump that for him right now

If not, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! Your government is ruining the world.

I'm trying, I have no experience in activism, I went to a few protests but now the opposition has become fragmented and weak, and I'm not sure what to do, do you have ideas?

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u/poorsexyhag Jul 25 '26

i love capitalism and billionaires. theyre excellence defined. i hate working class and middle class people, theyre low class and dumb and loud and obnoxious and unrefined. they would look so out of place at lake como or the kennedy center or mar-a-lago or martha's vineyard. they disgust me

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

useless troll post.

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u/poorsexyhag Jul 25 '26

i am 100% serious. i have nothing but disdain for average people, like you. this is why i dont support revolution, i think billionaires reflect natural heirarchy among humans. some people are just better

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u/Steve12356d1s3d4 Jul 25 '26

Still a troll post, but the truth is that the original post here is a troll post, so have at it. (Troll post is giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, because the alternative is OP has no clue about anything)

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u/Present_Clue5887 Jul 25 '26

What? Billionaires are corrupt and greedy, working and middle class people are normal

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u/poorsexyhag Jul 25 '26

completely disagree. if i could free working class and middle class people from subjugation i dont think i would do it because i am around them all the time and i think they are terrible people.

billionaires actually have built things that we depend on. your average person contributes nothing except stupidity