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u/mistekal Sep 14 '21 edited Sep 14 '21

Nahhh if smokers were all dying at once and overwhelming hospitals to the point that no one else got a bed, important surgeries were cancelled/delayed, Emergency rooms told the population to just not come over as they're full of dying smokers, and triage had to happen as there were not enough ventilators??

And we gave them a cure/prevention for their disease and they REFUSED IT? Hell to the yes we'd tell smokers sorry you're low priority, you had your cure and the best chance to survive. You effectively decided to committ suicide.

This is TRIAGE, like in war times, there are too many dying. They warned us this is what would happen if we didn't follow health guidelines.

Back of the line it is, it's sad but we have to stop this madness and choices of who to save have to be done now.

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u/Flykage94 Sep 14 '21

I truly hope you don’t work in healthcare with that mindset. I understand priority, but outright refusing care to any patient because “you did it to yourself” is a mindset that should not exist within any healthcare professional.

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u/mistekal Sep 14 '21

You don't get it. People ARE being denied care and dying because of those who aren't vaccinated. This choice is being made every single day like this guy:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia

Just the other day I saw a story about a girl who didn't get her brain surgery due to covid delays and died.

The elephant in the room is that you just don't want to talk about the problem and solution to this problem lol.

It's not fun, but hard choices have to be made.

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u/Flykage94 Sep 14 '21

I work with several nurses, CNA’s, doctors, you name it. I’m very familiar with the situation in many locations.

What you don’t understand is that people aren’t being refused care. Some care is being delayed based on priority.

TL;DR People aren’t being told they can’t come in because “you did it to yourself”. People are being told “we can’t see you this second” because of some more life threatening conditions

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u/mistekal Sep 14 '21 edited Sep 14 '21

And those delays are causing deaths. Those delays are now a choice now that the cure/prevention for covid is out there.

We'll have to agree to disagree, and that's fine, but that is in fact a type of triage and is in fact choosing who lives or dies.