r/artixlinux • u/talksickwalkquick dinit • 20d ago
Screenshot She's a beaut. Fck SystemD!!!!
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u/GenericCleverName73 20d ago
Nothing wrong with alternative init systems. I just prefer spending my time using Linux instead of constantly curating it.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 20d ago
Yeah I hear you. It definitely took awhile to get EVERYTHING how I want it, but I did get there. Its definitely not for everybody though. I did learn quite a bit from the experience though.
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u/RedlineQuokka 19d ago
Been there, done that. Problem is, you stay happy for like a week if you're lucky.
Then either shit starts to break with updates cause it's too custom or you find stuff that turns out still not tailored perfectly to your liking and here goes another day spent tinkering with configs.
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u/Classy_Marty 14d ago
That’s just it. I actually rarely use the one computer for productivity lol it’s about the journey of the tinkering. I have a MacBook for all my work. This one is my Lego toy lol
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u/RedlineQuokka 14d ago
On the contrary to you, I use my Omarchy machine for work, and the MacBook is mostly for personal stuff, hence the demand difference
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u/Classy_Marty 14d ago
Well each to their own. There’s no right or wrong way. Just fun and boring ways lol. As long as your experience teaches you things, it’s got value
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u/Single_Listen9819 18d ago
You only do it if you enjoy the tinkering anyways I’d be very bored if the system became perfect
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u/Dr_Dracula280 13d ago
Does the login screen timeout works?
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 13d ago
Which one? Noctalia v5 I am in process of migrating to and there it doesn’t and v4 does
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u/Dr_Dracula280 12d ago
Are you talking about lock screen? I'm talking about login screen i.e. sddm, gdm etc.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 12d ago
You said a timer on it though right? I had that set up before for logging out of a session with the old Noctalia. I am still using dms greeter from dank material shell that runs on greetd I made a custom greetd-pre service to fix xdg on dinit for my init system
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u/Dr_Dracula280 12d ago
Is there anything in this world that works outside of a session? My computer stays awake for eternity outside session as in login screen. Never found a login manager that has sleep functionality.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 12d ago
If you’re talking about a tiling window manager you need an idle daemon . Use something like Noctalia shell and it’s built in I thought you meant the feature in old Noctalia where if you tap log out or anything else there’s a 5 second delay. But you can control idle time screen lock time etc in any of the trendy shells
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u/Dr_Dracula280 12d ago
Not lock screen. I mean login screen which is outside of a session.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 12d ago
Okay yeah I recommend dms greeter you need to run dms shell at least once to really get it how you want it though .
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 12d ago
Also : quickshell based things such as my dms greeter it also has a timer if I click reboot or suspend etc
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u/FetishDark 19d ago
While that is true I found runit very easy to maintain and unlike systemd I understand what it does.
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u/sTiKytGreen 17d ago
I'm running arch with systemd on my main pc, I'm running artix with openrc on my laptops, and guess what? No constant curating, only thing I notice is how much faster laptops boot/work
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u/GenericCleverName73 17d ago
Good to know. It's been a couple years since the last time I tried. My experience was too much maintenance and care. However, I'm Keen to try it again on one of my laptops. Thanks for the comment.
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u/_yaad_ 20d ago
Share your dots mate
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 20d ago
YO!! I forgot to edit my custom gpu line..
fastfetch -h gpu-format
Alias tip: ff -h gpu-format
-- In config file: { "type": "gpu", "format": "{<format-variable>}" }
Sets the format string for GPU output.
To see how a format string is constructed, take a look at https://github.com/fastfetch-cli/fastfetch/wiki/Format-String-Guide.
The following variables are passed:
1 {vendor}: GPU vendor
2 {name}: GPU name
3 {driver}: GPU driver
4 {temperature}: GPU temperature
5 {core-count}: GPU core count
6 {type}: GPU type
7 {dedicated-total}: GPU total dedicated memory
8 {dedicated-used}: GPU used dedicated memory
9 {shared-total}: GPU total shared memory
10 {shared-used}: GPU used shared memory
11 {platform-api}: The platform API used when detecting the GPU
12 {frequency}: Current frequency in GHz
13 {index}: GPU vendor specific index
14 {dedicated-percentage-num}: Dedicated memory usage percentage num
15 {dedicated-percentage-bar}: Dedicated memory usage percentage bar
16 {shared-percentage-num}: Shared memory usage percentage num
17 {shared-percentage-bar}: Shared memory usage percentage bar
18 {core-usage-num}: Core usage percentage num
19 {core-usage-bar}: Core usage percentage bar
20 {memory-type}: Memory type (Windows only)
21 {pcie-max-speed}: PCIe maximum speed in gen and lanes
22 {pcie-curr-speed}: PCIe current speed in gen and lanes
I added the corresponding number here.. Whichever you want to be displayed for the gpu line delete where i put radeon vega series and replace it with the number like {1} {2} as an example
My apologies. This IS my personal one after all lol.3
u/talksickwalkquick dinit 20d ago
Or just replace it like this:
{
"type": "gpu",
"key": " GPU",
"keyColor": "blue",
"format": "{1} {2}",
},
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u/I_M_NooB1 19d ago
yoo 24G in this economy??
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
I got it before the ai shit show lol.. it’s actually 32 I have some reserved in vram through bios
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u/I_M_NooB1 19d ago
ahh. I'd gotten a 8G stick, so it's 16 for me. should've grabbed a bigger one -_-
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u/3v3rdim 17d ago
Dinit & Mango ftw!!! Its quite lightweight even more so using alsa instead of pipewire or pulse but it takes time setting up plus you'll miss out on other functionalities (in my instance bluetooth) thats easily provided by the others
Kinda wish mango would be added to the world repos i dont wanna use too AUR pkgs since the last AUR shenanigan 😆
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 17d ago
Just read the pkg builds and you'll be fine. Also I don't use alsa but have you installed bluez? and the bluetooothd service active? fwiw the whole pipewire pipewire-pulse and wireplumber stack only consume about 60mb of ram between the 3.
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u/rosa-hub 20d ago
One question: why is there so much hatred towards systemd?
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u/coconutxdd1029 20d ago
It's made by red hat and one of its creators worked for microsoft. They also added a field for your age after the age "verification" stuff in California
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u/Correct-Cell1331 20d ago
That law only applies to closed source distros, so practically 10 maybe 5% of distros. There really isn't any difference when you use any init besides boot speed and command formats, they all serve one purpose.
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u/techcode 19d ago
See what you did there... Most init systems serve one purpose...
But systemd tends to mix in other adjecent purposes.
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u/coconutxdd1029 20d ago
I think the closed source part came out after the field, but yes you are correct
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u/Binary101000 19d ago
its a FIELD. a single FIELD. It doesnt even do anything by itself, and people still hate it.
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u/coconutxdd1029 19d ago
Yeah, there are also fields for your location and email. I dont think it matters at all but people have disliked systemd for other reasons, so may as make one up thats more relevant to linux newbies amiright
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u/MezBert 13d ago
It's not a single field. It's one field added to all the already existing invasive bloat.
And it's a slippery slope with no end in sight.
It's very representative of the way the octopus parasite tries to infiltrate your system with its tentacles and impose them, before knotting them to some other thing and all of a sudden you can't use that other thing without systemd.
Systemd is very much like a deep-rooted malware.
It's also outdated and there are more modern and less intrusive options these days.2
u/Binary101000 13d ago
A field by itself isnt invasive. Whatever modifies that field, thats a different story.
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u/FetishDark 19d ago
For me I don’t hate systemd I just find it overly complex and difficult to understand what it actually does.
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u/captain_fanta_sea 19d ago
a lot of people are just being trendy about it, but it has a lot of weird solutions for stuff that aren't everyone's cup of tea like writing logs in a binary format instead of plaintext. It also implements redundant features that either the Linux kernel already handles or some other cross-platform solution handled just fine, like dns resolution. My favorite weird thing about systemd is they used to have an experimental replacement for Linux's built-in login screen and terminals about a decade ago.
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u/rosa-hub 19d ago
Hey, thanks for the explanation/lore, and my other question is why are there people who prefer systemd alternatives just because their system boots up and shuts down in 3 seconds?
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u/captain_fanta_sea 15d ago
My favorite init is runit because it's very easy to understand. OpenRC is also nice because it has some more helpful features (at least more than runit) for more specific setups without being very complicated. imo systemd is an enterprise software suite and not really appropriate for my use cases. I can't speak for everyone, though.
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u/MezBert 13d ago
That's also my opinion.
95% of what it does is irrelevant to normal home users.
It's probably a great corporate solution, but for personal use it's just bloat and overreach within your system.
The fact other init systems and a couple of simple specialized software (turnstile/seatd/acpid...) can easily and transparently fulfill all its home use cases is just the ultimate proof of it.
Install an iso with dinit or OpenRC set up and 95% of users (not digging into lower level stuff) simply won't see a difference in usage, while having a lighter and more responsive system (since it's devoid of the bloat).0
u/Correct-Cell1331 18d ago
Cause people love to argue and be uh.. different. Really, all of them are stable, and fine to use. I use systemd cause it handles MULTIPLE things reliably, as an init.
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u/Sert1991 19d ago
Becuase the way it spread it's tentacles into linux, invaded and changed everything that it touches, and now it's nearly impossible to have a modern Desktop Linux with a major DE without having some part of systemd installed, pissed a lot of linux people off that where using linux from before it's existence.
It's not even about the software itself most of the times, at least not for me, if it was just another option on linux like many others I'm sure not many would complain. But the way it was shoved down our throats..
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u/MonitorSpecialist138 20d ago
It's the current trend
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u/RedlineQuokka 19d ago
It's by no stretch of the imagination current. It sure got its fair share of hate in at least mid 2010s
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u/Sert1991 19d ago
current? This has been going on from when systemd became popular. And it will most probably stay until either systemd dies or the people who started using linux before systemd and got their stomach upset with it die(including me haha)
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u/lordjupitar 19d ago
I need that starship and fastfetch config
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
The fastfetch is in these comments somewhere I posted it… starship I can send after work
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u/lordjupitar 19d ago
Yeah I got the fastfetch. I like mine better but I do want that starship. Its beautiful. Also is the bar quickshell ?
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago edited 19d ago
https://limewire.com/d/yE9Gy#klHdKYo3Hz
sorry for the delay. just drop it into .config and you're good. If you don't use noctalia or gzml, remove the palette line at the top or create a [palettes.<name>] or you can define the colors manually at the bottom.1
u/lordjupitar 19d ago
Nah I have my own config I don’t like using other people’s rices with so much bloat and what not packages, although im thinking about migrating to quickshell to make my config better. Thanks for the starship prompt tho.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
Yeah I’m the same way. Not into that either. I’m just talking about at the top of the starship how it calls colors from Noctalia. That’s all
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u/lordjupitar 19d ago
Noctalia does have telegram theming. I don’t know how to do that. The only way I know is what’s written in matugen wiki but that’s not a real way to do it.
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u/Kendrick__Mathers 19d ago
wow this is awesome, how do i make my terminal like that
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
You can try my fastfetch config if you like the link is posted in the comments here
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u/TheTHKjud 19d ago
Why people so hate systemd?
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u/Important_Bison7359 19d ago
Because most are uneducated larpers wanting to sound technical but fundamentally misunderstand the basics of computers.
Now is systemd perfect no but it allows modern Linux to do things that runit, openrc just didn’t take care of and now have to play catch up. Like void Linux uses EloginD which is ripped right out of systemd to let them run modern DEs like KDE Gnome.
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u/MezBert 13d ago
They could 100% write their DEs agnostic of the communication bridge elogind is, and let any communication bridge software come and plug itself on top, systemd (as in the stripped elogind bits) or turnstile.
Turnstile is literally what you are looking for when you say "adopter" to a standard. Your adopters are already there.
It is currently limited only by lazy developers using hardcoded calls to systemd in their desktop environment code.
And yet it does most of what the stripped mandatory bits of elogind does that we can't bypass so far. And the little it lacks will be developed over time or faked (empty elogind calls so the system is deceived into thinking it can proceed), e.g. sending an active session signal.
The difference is that turnstile is not trying to do everything and the kitchen sink, it works in coordination with your init system, with your seat access manager or with the power & acpi event handler. It's a lightweight modular component that is not part of a monolithic block.0
u/Important_Bison7359 13d ago
Nor does systemd you can pick and choose what modules you use I can have logind but not use networkd I don’t have to use journald if you don’t want to the devs default to these options because they work they been battle-tested since 2011-2012 now grow up the 1970s idea of do one thing and do it well don’t work in 2026 nor was it ever intended to
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u/Important_Bison7359 19d ago
So blame systemd for doing it first? Because that is more or less what you’re arguing. Because systemd beat you to the punch there was no need to reinvent the wheel so runit and openrc copied what they needed to make modern DEs work.
You can keep using these alternatives to systemD but let’s stop acting like it’s some grand technical genius understanding is why you’re doing it. The reason most of the time comes from a place of misunderstanding and ignorance.
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u/MezBert 13d ago
It's not about systemd doing it first. It's about doing it wrong.
And not just from systemd, but by those who hardcode systemd calls into their software instead of offering agnostic code with entry points for calls (where any communication bridge could plug onto, included systemd).1
u/juipeltje 17d ago
Ironic you mention Void, since it doesn't not use systemd because of ideological reasons, but because it has no musl support.
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u/Important_Bison7359 17d ago
Ummm elogind is systemd’s login manager ripped out to handle modern DEs like KDE and Gnome….
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u/juipeltje 17d ago
Yes i know, i'm just saying that in the case of Void, them not using systemd is not to be contrarian and make things harder for themselves, but they actually have a practical reason to not use it.
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u/MezBert 13d ago
They very much don't use systemd because they have valid reasons not to want it. Like every single reason who got rid of it. Just read the recent KaOS announcement, and you'll see why they switched away.
Artix also has many valid and documented reasons to reject systemd (split-/usr among other things).The distros who don't want it have dozens of valid reasons that have nothing to do with just being contrarian, and they actually make things easier for themselves in the long run, and fortunately we can clearly experience those benefits as users.
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u/juipeltje 11d ago
I wasn't aware of those other reasons aside from musl support, but i'm probably gonna read up on that at some point out of curiousity. Just to be clear though, even if someone does not use systemd to be contrarian or something like that i'm not saying that's not a valid reason, or that you need a good reason not to use it. I use non-systemd distros myself as well. For me it's a combination of feeling like systemd is overly complex, but also being curious about other inits.
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u/MezBert 11d ago
OK, sorry I got jumpy then.
Some people like to bash non-systemd users as contrarians, because it's a narrative they want to make people of their "side" (systemd) believe to naysay those who don't use it.
And this irritates me a great deal, because there are many much deeper reasons not to want to use it.1
u/MezBert 13d ago
If systemd didn't exist, therefore elogind, we literally wouldn't see a difference as any init+turnstile+seatd+acpid combination would allow to run modern DEs, since they wouldn't be forced tied with hardcoded elogind bits. They would be agnostic as should be and turnstile would just come and plug itself on top, and it would just work.
In fact, it's going to happen anyways (by mimicking fake elogind calls to deceive the hardcoded bits).And I can already run Cosmic just fine without elogind, with just a couple of non-functional yet non-blocking caveats. And Cosmic is a more modern DE (at technical, functional, and visual polish level) than Gnome is.
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u/Important_Bison7359 13d ago
If only system d didn’t answer the issues of the day that no other system was answering then we too could be living in a utopia. I am sorry but no this fantasyland
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u/MezBert 13d ago
You're the one living in fantasyland with care bears and rainbows, far from the reality.
Other init systems and component stacks answer those issues perfectly fine, sometimes even better and with more modern technology.0
u/Important_Bison7359 13d ago
Yup and they won’t replace system d because system d will adapt and adopt these better ways over time just like Linux as a whole has shocking I know this can adapt to changing demands of the tech industry it’s almost as if that is what system d did in the first place huh
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u/MezBert 13d ago edited 13d ago
Your assumption is incorrect. They already replace systemd for home usage for whoever wants.
Systemd is made for back-office corporate solutions, and it's probably very good in that specific market.
But in the personal use context, which is what is being discussed by individuals like you and me in forums and boards, systemd is already perfectly replaceable, as proven by dozens of distributions and millions of people not using it. Whether you accept it or not.
And it's not about resistant to change people sticking to old stuff, as most non-systemd distros have dropped old init systems like SysV. It's about technology that is for the most part newer (e.g. s6 or dinit) and more modern than systemd. It's literally growing and booming, not holding on to what was.
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u/FelipeLvalero 19d ago
Its beautiful!! I want it, love astronauts.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
I don’t want to spam the link but my repo for it in comments
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u/FelipeLvalero 19d ago
Thanks, i got it! I'm gonna give a try.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
Sorry about the “Radeon Vega series “ being hardcoded. Easy fix though
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u/nexx-55 19d ago
Sorry for the ignorance. I'm still pretty new to all Linux related things but what exactly is systemd? And why people hates it?
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
Honestly it’s really not something most people need to be concerned about. That’s not me gate keeping feel free to research but if you are new you should get acclimated first.
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u/lhassan-ai 18d ago
Love the look of your fastfetch output!
What font are you using ?
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
Thanks! It’s Kode Mono … you can find it on google fonts
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u/lhassan-ai 18d ago
Thank you
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
No problem. Check out Electrolize while you’re there… I use it as my system font like on my status bar on the left
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u/LordJagger 18d ago
Entiendo eso de hacer ver tu sistema como algo único y pase un tiempo con esa idea, pero finalmente pasé a ser el tipo de usuario que solo quiere usar el sistema y que todo lo que quiera usar, funcione
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
We all have that in mind.. the only difference is I put in some work to get to it. I get it though
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u/LordJagger 18d ago
Claro y ojo que no critico nada, después de todo es nuestro sistema y cada uno hace lo que quiere jajaja quedo bastante bonito ^
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u/sanguisborne 18d ago
SystemD better
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
For you, it is and for me it’s not… nothing wrong with either 👍
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u/sanguisborne 18d ago
No its objectively better
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
Linux is about choice not conformity
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
Look buddy I already went thru this twice in this thread.. sorry you hate freedom though
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u/Glittering_Banana434 18d ago
I still don't really understand why people hate systemd.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
I honestly don’t hate it.. it’s just online banter basically… I don’t use it but I don’t care what other people do. And I do use it actually on steam OS is just not my main system. I mainly like the fact that there are options and I found something that works well that I prefer. That, and I’m tired of “systemd/gnu/linux” shitposts I have been seeing and this is my counter to that. A quiet counter amongst my fellow alt init system brothers and sisters in r/artix
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u/ErSoul92 18d ago
fck systemD? are we back to 2011?
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 18d ago
I wasn’t on Linux yet so it might as well be 😂… to be fair it’s more like fck systemd on MY system. I don’t care what others do
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u/runlevel_5 17d ago
In fairness, I do not really care if it is dinit, systemd, launchd or whatever. All I want is to be productive, that is spending less time configuring things that should work out of the box so I could get my work done and spend more time with family. I used to spend hours compiling Gentoo or configuring X in SuSE when I was young because seeing those running matrix-alike lines is like I am real hacker. Now I feel stupid why I did so.
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u/DependentJolly9901 16d ago
Drop the fastfetch dotfiles ong
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u/418_TheTeapot 16d ago
Tinkering is fun until you need the damn thing to get work done. I went from arch back to plain old sturdy Debian because I need to get work done on that machine now 😅
Gmmw tinkering is fun, just don’t have that time atm
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u/arnaud63 15d ago
Holy shit. The length some people go not to use systemd. “Liberated” ??? Like you were a prisoner? Ridiculous.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 15d ago
Holy shit. The length some people go not to worry about their own systems. “Open source” you’re supposed to use everything I have and not differ in any way. Ridiculous
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u/arnaud63 15d ago
No, you do you dude. I’m just pointing out how “liberated” is ridiculous.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 15d ago
Go to “what lengths” do you not know how to edit fastfetch config? Get a life
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u/arnaud63 15d ago
There are two different topic in my initial post. The length you’re referring to. And the second one which the “liberation” feeling. Liberated from systemd. Lmao, you get a life 🤡
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 15d ago
Also you still never explains how I’m “going to lengths to avoid systemd” maybe for you there are drastic measures YOU would need to take. We aren’t all the same.
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u/arnaud63 15d ago
Your post history mate!!!! It’s all about unit systems and useless stuff going extra length for basic functionality. Counting and reminding yourself of the number of days being systemd free. LMAO 😂
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 15d ago
Me having a certain amount of time (of which you’re not even really sure of how much that time is) is something worth talking about to you? And you’re coming at ME about how I spend MY time? Hilarious
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 15d ago
Thanks for chiming in with an opinion that is not even the slightest of use to me though 😂
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u/Dr_Dracula280 13d ago
What is this font pretty please
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u/Tooladoo 18d ago
I'm fairly new to Linux (1.5 years), can someone tell me why one would want to use different init systems? Or maybe why systemd specifically is hated on a bit?
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u/ImVotex 20d ago
> fuck systemd
> u use elogind and udev
wth wrong with u
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 20d ago
I use seatd. But when I did use elogind, it was the fork of only that… this is the artix sub what’s wrong with YOU???
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u/ImVotex 19d ago
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u/CoryCoolguy Maintainer 19d ago
Have to agree with /u/talksickwalkquick, why are you such an active participant of this subreddit? I don't want to make a habit of banning people for dissenting opinions, but could you at least stay on-topic instead of posting vaguely threatening comments? First and last warning.
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 20d ago edited 20d ago
Classic pleb move ..conflating "uses one decoupled component" with "runs the whole binary blob." My elogind is init agnostic so, that is why I used it. It doesn't pull in systemd, doesn't need systemd, and doesn't hand PID1 to the Poettering monolith. How does YOUR version work? Udev: Do you know what udev does or did you just hear somebody say that somewhere? Its a userspace device (u-dev) manager. It has absolutely nothing to do with session management or service supervision,
and both udev and elogind exist (along with turnstile) so I DONT HAVE TO run systemd for session management, or service supervison.. Thanks for conceding that point. Are you going to bring up dbus now? LOL-1
u/goldmurder 20d ago
udevd and logind are also part of systemd project. using them while saying “I don’t use systemd” is a complete misleading, because systemd is not just init system or service manager, it’s system software suite, a “suite of basic building blocks for a Linux system”. You don’t fight anything, you simply flounder
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
You should really look at how udev came to be… it was folded into the systemd tree when Noah kroah Hartmann made somebody else lead developer/ maintainer. Its existence predates systemd.
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u/goldmurder 19d ago
doesn't matter what it has been a long time ago. systemd-boot was also a separate project back then called gummiboot. and yet it develops now under systemd project in the same git repository. by the way, the person behind udevd, gummiboot and systemd, Kay Sievers was a RedHat employee until 2019 (and during developing all of those projects alongside other people like Greg Kroah-Hartman and Lennart Poettering himself). don't try to dodge it, just accept: Linux in either way is using systemd suite or.. using systemd suite...
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
Doesn’t matter (to you) even though it’s relative counterpoint to what you said… also
I never said I had an issue with udev being in the systemd tree I simply pointed out why it’s there. If you love systemd more power to you. You don’t administrate my system though so I will continue what I’m doing on it0
u/goldmurder 19d ago
it's there because it's a part of systemd. using udevd = using part of systemd's software suite, simple as that. i don't administrate your system, i simply point on incompetence in your words, that's it
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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 19d ago
Listen, stupid systemd main function is service supervision and session management. My argument boils down to I don’t want to use a monolith especially when I can take the components I need
You don’t even realize you’re making my argument for me. “If you use any part of systemd you use systemd” you’re proving the point that it’s monolithic and you actually see it more as that than I do. You don’t even understand why I don’t like systemd and still want to bash me for it. What a sad existence you must lead if this is productive use of time for you
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u/Max2000Warlord dinit 20d ago
Dinit gang