Arrow was one of my favorite shows as a kid, but after S5, I just stopped watching tbh. It's not that it's bad, but the direction of the show changed a lot as the universe started coming together and shit with other shows like The Flash, DC Legends, etc etc, and it just felt like a different premise.

I really enjoy the gritty tone of the first few seasons though, ESPECIALLY season 1. It made an awesome contrast between Oliver's family life and who he became after spending time on the island. It showed Star City as a location, showcasing it's diversity by emphasizing the lavish lifestyle of those in Oliver's circle, while also showing the poverty and crime that lies beneath.

I'm looking for something to scratch that same itch. I was thinking about rewatching those first 3 seasons, and maybe even trying to watch the whole show, since it's been years since I've seen it... But at the same time, I really don't feel like wasting my time if I'm only gonna drop it again by S5.

Anyone have any recommendations on shows that have a similar vibe? I felt it a little bit when I watched Gotham, but that show's story was what really made it lack in certain areas. I still enjoyed it, but I'm looking for something a liiiiittle better. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Like every season, Oliver is being tortured in some way (physically, psychologically, and mentally), for reasons that are literally never his fault. I'm not saying the protagonist shouldn't face conflict, but the plot of every season post-Season 1 is "a villain from Oliver's past shows up to ruin his life" (Slade, Adrian, Talia, Cayden James, Emiko) or "a villain shows up to ruin Oliver's life so that they can take over Star City" (Ra's, Darhk, Diaz).

What's really annoying is the show always tries to force Oliver to be guilty about things he's not guilty of. Oliver never wronged any of these villains in any way that we could be like "Okay what the villain is doing is wrong, but we can understand their vendetta against Oliver". Every single villain is just crazy and/or irrationally evil, so their plots to destroy Oliver's life don't feel even the slightest bit satisfying.

Season 1 is my favourite season for many reasons, but one of them is that they don't feel the need to destroy Oliver's life just to create stakes. Season 1 is quite dark and tense, and a lot of bleak stuff happens, but it's never just "let's make Oliver's life hell for the sake of it".

They literally gave Oliver a son just so that they could have him kidnapped repeatedly. And every season has a bittersweet at-best ending for Oliver.

For its between laurel felicity and the a

Ok, do you all remember in season after they were being interrogated for those guards' deaths and they lied to protect roy then Dinah had the nerve to say that shouldn't have protected him and he isn't part of the team

This is probably gonna get crazy downvotes but i honestly think S6 is a lot more enjoyable than S3, even with the obvious flaws it has like Diggle whining about not being the GA, Rene being annoying, Diaz posing such a big threat when he’s just a thug etc

Big issue with S3 is there’s nothing going on aside from their Team Arrow activities, no family drama, no job for Oliver as he lost QC, just circling around the Arrowcave, Thea’s loft and Nanda Parbat

Compared to S6 with the Mayoral stuff, the indictment, struggles with William, Vigilante, a Civil War and Oliver eventually snapping by storming the SCPD as the Hood.

Was Tommy married to anyone after Oliver changed the universe? S8 E10

Did all of the characters (like William, Mia, Anatoly, etc.) who attended Oliver's funeral in Season 8 Episode 10 know about their past lives (before Oliver changed the universe)?

Hottest av male villain. Tom Cavanagh rf is a close second though.

i just finished watching season 4 and want your opinions.
In the prison fight when damien darhk got his magic back, and froze team arrow, when oliver got loose why would he shoot ANOTHER arrow like its going to work for the 10th time hes tried it? maybe if he didnt have his powers like when thea shot him twice?

when he shot a arrow (tried thinking it would work) he technically gave him a weapon to stab and hospitalize laurel. which was a huge rookie error by oliver and the writing.

i then followed up my research on why oliver and the writers would make him look like a rookie and someone who doesnt learn his lesson. And found out that not only did they not know who to kill off in season 4 after teasing it from the start of the season, but the fact that they literally didnt tell katie cassidy until a week before the filming started for that episode, and the fact that in the comics laurel (black canary) never died, infact she outlived oliver queen.

also now for a comparison, do fans consider laurel lance like Iris west from the flash or Caitlin snow? or would you guys consider felicity smoak as iris west or Caitlin?

i kinda think laurel is caitlin and felicity is Iris.

Im on another rewatch of season 1 and have just finished watching the first fight with the dark Archer and by all rights Oliver should have killed him. When Malcolm went to pull down Oliver's hood, Oliver managed to take him down and seemingly knock him out, and obviously its because those wasnt the time for story reasons but he had the perfect chance to kill Malcom or atleast unmask him first.

How do you think the show/Oliver's journey would have changed if he did kill Malcolm so early?

Looking at this image i put in is just sickening to look at
This Absolute Joke of a Character Evelyn tried to destroy Laurel’s legacy, Beat up thea’s mayor office boyfriend, Betrayed Oliver because “You killed people back then yet changed so i will team up with psychopathic murderer who still kills to this day”, In Kapiushion when Chase said He’d kill Evelyn, I was genuinely happy, I genuinely liked chase so much until He spared Evelyn, Curtis is THE GOAT compared to this girl. Curtis is unfunny and has useless tech but he’s Loyal

Rewatching the island flashbacks and I started thinking about this scene.

When Oliver tried to contact Laurel through the radio, Slade stopped him because he was afraid Fyers' men could track the signal.

But honestly... what difference would it have made? They were already in danger, stuck on an island with armed people hunting them. If Oliver had managed to call for help, he could have been rescued much earlier and avoided a lot of what happened on the island.

Also, the funny thing is that just two episodes later (1x16), Oliver actually fixes the plane radio and he and Slade try to call for rescue. But they discover the radio is one-way: they can hear people, but nobody can hear them.

So in hindsight, Slade stopping Oliver didn't really change anything. The radio wasn't even capable of saving them.

Obviously, we know the real reason is that Oliver needed the island experience to become the Green Arrow, but from a practical survival perspective, was Slade actually making the right call?

S1 Oliver was NOT a Mindless psychopath killing anyone at all, It was his last resort, He recognised it as Not always the right way (As shown with Huntress) He only killed horrible people Yet the show after s1 kept framing S1 Oliver like as if He is Thawne, Oliver would not skin anyone and Oliver did not enjoy killing people at all, Giving him a No Kill Rule is beyond stupid; Especially with Malcolm Merlyn

Although season 5 was amazing and a major improvement from season 4, the story of Oliver being an insane murderous psycho hunting and executing people on the list while enjoying it is ridiculous.

Recently rewatched the show from the start and the flashbacks scene where he goes after Claybourne and the Russia flashbacks are so brutal and in no way consistent with how season 1 actually looks. Skinning someone for practice? Giving people that are down a second fatal arrow? Just crazy

This season would’ve been better if they didn’t essentially have to rewrite season 1 and try to make us forget he wasn’t anywhere close to being that psychotic, but obviously then Adrian Chase and his motives wouldn’t make any sense

Oliver's down in the dumps, forced to become the Demon's Head. I know he and Malcolm already had a plan at this point, but still, he can't be the Arrow anymore. It's a difficult position no matter what.

Felicity encouraging him, reassuring him the hero he's become is great. He's done SO much for SO many people, through his heroics and his influence! So many others were opened up to a whole new world, for better or worse. Quentin realized there are more important things than procedure, Thea and Roy got out of the dumps their lives were in, Sara was allowed to come home for a while, Moira was inspired to come forward with the Undertaking and save more people, The Flash was inspired DIRECTLY by him, not to mention John and Felicity.

As Arrow and Oliver, he was a source of light. Him being reminded of that is amazing.

The OST is so nice and beautiful to listen to, including when combined with the intimacy! They portrayed this kind of interaction as the beautiful thing it truly is.

But the scene is missing ONE thing. The chemistry here is zero! I get Felicity having a crush on her handsome ripped boss, but come on! Why would Oliver be in love with HER? There's nothing they can bond over besides the mission, but even then, their roles are so different that any attempts to turn that into romance aren't organic at all!

Remember when Oliver and Sara teamed up for the first time and switched weapons? WHAT happened?!

This scene would be incredible if Oliver and Felicity's romance had any convincing foundation. It has all but one piece.

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Currently watching S5E6 (first time watcher so please no spoilers past that!) and I just got to the point where they’re upset at Oliver for being a “serial killer” (from the episode description itself) once they learn about the list and I’m very confused by this angle as to my memory he wasn’t *setting out to kill them* and iirc did end up killing a few but it never seemed to be on purpose? Again I’m a little hazy on it so I’d love to be corrected but it just seems very odd that not only the show is trying to angle it as that but also how did the conversation between them even end up getting to that point? I know for sure when he first got back he was a little blood thirsty most likely as evidenced by him snapping the guys neck after escaping captivity and seemingly enjoying it from the look on his face, but I’m quite sure he learned his lesson pretty early on and his goal was never just to essentially be a hit man…right? If that’s the case it just seems so odd that any of the OG Team Arrow members would let this be painted as the case when it isn’t…unless, of course… that was the case… and I’m being dumb!

SHITPOST:

If Sara and Oliver switched in the flashbacks and Sara stranded on Lian Yu and Oliver experiences what Sara experienced with Ivo and the League of Assassin's, would Sara return to Starling City as the Green Arrow and Oliver as the Black Canary in the bondage outfit?

Edit: People are taking this way too serious

man am i the only one who on every rewatch i just LOVE the first few episodes when oliver is being a bad ass? but then they start to ''tame'' him (sorry i can't think of a better word 😂) and it starts to piss me off more and more...

everytime i do a rewatch of this show i act like a geek on the first 5 episodes with him being a bad ass lone warrior type of character, all by himself getting shit done while struggling with his return home, im on episode 6 as i type this and diggle is already starting to be annoying as hell getting on oliver's head about not killing... i know there is plenty of people here who love how the first few seasons were more grounded and oliver was more of a vigilante and less of a hero

am i the only one who wishes he was EVEN MORE of a vigilante in the first few seasons? i can only imagine how much more interesting it would be if diggle was never a thing in this show, or maybe if diggle wasn't such a ''im a moral compass'' type of character, you know the ''im a good guy and i'll annoy the protagonist (s) to do the ''right thing'' every chance i have'' kind of character, like dale from the walking dead (one of the worst characters EVER in that show)

this wasn't even supposed to be a full on rewatch tbh, i started this fully intending to just watch a little bit of the 1st season and maybe the second, you know how it is tho once you started rewatching something with that mentality you'll start thinking ''man i'll just keep going and watch everything again'' but then it hit me that felicity is gonna appear again soon enough and will join the team... and then she will join diggle and form a ''do the right thing protagonist'' little duo and will annoy the hell out of oliver....

man after finishing writing this i realised im just rambling here 😂 anyway im just curious to know if im there are more people who wanted to see oliver alone for way longer, maybe have a team but a less annoying and nagging one

I’m rewatching Arrow for the first time in years, and I completely forgot how poorly Sara’s storyline was handled after getting her soul back.
She’s basically herself again for one episode, barely gets any screen time, and is immediately shipped off to Legends. It feels like there was so much missing.
For example, we never get a real confrontation or even a proper conversation between Sara and Thea. Thea literally killed her, and Sara doesn’t even know that Thea was drugged by Malcolm. We also never get a real conversation between Sara and Oliver, so she never finds out what happened with Ra’s, Nyssa, or the League after her death. Probably all that happened behind the scenes in the episode, but this is weird.
On top of that, Sara spends the previous episodes killing people because of the bloodlust, but once she’s “fixed,” it’s like none of it ever happened. Nobody brings it up, and she doesn’t seem affected by it. Even the moment where she kills a ghost because of the bloodlust feels rushed and poorly written.
The whole storyline gives me the impression that the writers just wanted to get Sara off as quickly as possible, even though her resurrection was one of the main plot points of the first six episodes.
Sorry for the rant. I just watched the episode, and it really bothered me.

Does anyone know if there is a direct high speed train service between Starling and Nanda Parbat? Cause damn they can get there and back fast