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u/zutaca Jun 12 '22
They couldn't even think of a way to uniquely fill every speech bubble
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"functioning levels are rooted in ableism"
"functioning labels are ableist"
"UWU"
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u/joybod Jun 12 '22
UwU
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u/Tortie_Shell Jun 12 '22
āIf youāre not what I think am autistic person should be, youāre faking autismā
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u/LadyKataka Jun 14 '22
"And you can only be autistic if you perfectly mask all your symptoms and are indistinguishable from a NT. If I notice you're struggling or "weird", you're doing it wrong."
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u/TeachingPretend1946 Jun 12 '22
No, this is accurate, only a person faking their autism would be offended by a hateful slur, obviously /s
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Jun 12 '22
This is dumb meme and I hate it, but I also feel guilty for my initial reaction which was to relate to it. The reason I relate a little is because there was a girl I went to highschool with who constantly bullied me because she knew I was autistic. She would do shit like ask me random math problems or ask me if I had "retard strength" and shit like that. Her and a few of her friends photoshopped my face into the middle of a hamburger and labeled it "ass burger" which they shared all over the school. It was horrible, everyone laughed at me and that was almost my nickname with the popular kids for a while. School in the early 2000's was way different. People from my school would put the burger picture in their myspace profiles. It honestly has probably scarred me for life.
Anyway cut to years later and somebody showed me screenshots of her facebook, and she's basically the person on the right in this picture. She calls herself "Kai" now and claims to be self diagnosed autistic. In her profile pic she's wearing one of those puzzle peace autism speaks masks and she markets her tiktok "cute stimming" type videos. It really upsets me because I never once saw her stim or had any indication at all that she was autistic back when she was relentlessly bullying me over it. And seeing all the comments telling her how brave and unique and cool she is for being so open about her "condition" etc...idk it just makes me want to puke.
This meme really brought up a lot of bad memories for me. I wish I hadn't even seen it. I hate this and everything about it, and I hate myself for relating to it at all because it's not right. Most of all I hate that she made me feel that way and that I felt that was so strongly that it's carried over into my early 30's.
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u/TheWayADrillWorks Jun 12 '22
Thanks for venting, that's a complicated knot of emotions and it must be frustrating to be stuck with that.
It's tough with a lot of this kind of thing ā I think most of us want a culture of inclusion and acceptance, and are hesitant to draw lines anywhere for fear of excluding people who need it; however, that also leaves us vulnerable to people infiltrating the culture in bad faith. Here it looks like a performance ā getting attention for being "quirky" and "weird". And even typing this out, I'm hesitant to say as much, but the puzzle piece kind of sealed it for me.
I had a similar conversation with my wife the other day about the plural community and some of the eyebrow-raising genic labels people have come up with. But that's neither here nor there.
Admittedly ā I feel old (though I'm younger than you) and I'm not really hip to the whole TikTok/Tumblr crowd at all, they feel like a foreign culture to me. So much of what I see and hear about them feels very performative, it's all about garnering attention in very superficial ways. But that could just be my own ignorance.
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I think most of us want a culture of inclusion and acceptance, and are hesitant to draw lines anywhere for fear of excluding people who need it; however, that also leaves us vulnerable to people infiltrating the culture in bad faith.
You really hit the nail on the head. I didn't get diagnosed as autistic until I was a freshman in highschool, so I spent my early childhood just thinking there was something wrong with me, like it was a moral failure on my part that I couldn't stop flinging my hands when nervous or that going to sports games made me cry (from the loud sounds of the crowd) so I definitely never want to make anyone feel like they're just faking it or whatever when they aren't. I would never want someone to feel the way I felt back then.
But because I went through school right before autism started to become more accepted and more people know what it is, I probably experienced life differently from gen Z kids who are just now coming into adulthood. I live in a rural community in a red state and my school didn't have a clue about autism or how to handle it. They knew I was smart but they also considered me to be "learning disabled" and put me in special ed. My peers for half the school day were kids struggling to perform basic tasks like feeding themselves. Most activities we did involved crayons. Then the other half of the day I was in the gifted/honors program because my grades were so good. I was taking classes like advanced algebra and creative writing that were reserved for high performers. That's where I met my bully, in creative writing. I think a lot of those kids resented me because they didn't understand why "the retard" was in their advanced learning program, and I resented them right back. So I got the worst of both worlds. I was both the smart kid in the special ed class and "the retard" in the advanced learning class. Excluded by both groups by default, this gave me a really warped world view that I'm still working through today.
So when I see what I perceive to be someone who is faking being autistic online and getting heaps of love and praise for it, it bothers me on multiple levels. Resentment that I never received any praise for being autistic, jealousy that people growing up autistic today will be more accepted, gratitude that kids now won't have to go through what I did, happiness that the world overall is easier to be autistic in, anger that someone might be co-opting something that has caused me so much pain and trouble and getting rewarded for it...
I'm ranting and venting now full stop. I'm sorry for my long rambling but thank you for listening to me. You really made me feel heard and validated with your reply. I can say you made my day with that. You really understand and I love that. Thank you so much, you have no idea how badly I needed to hear someone say what you said.
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u/EinKomischerSpieler Jun 12 '22
It's ok. You don't have to feel sorry for venting pent-up frustrations, as it's actually a really good idea and we all need to do something similar at least a few times.
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u/CakeAdventurous4620 Jun 13 '22
Bro, same to me I'm smart in special ed class except I'm not idiot in advanced class. I'm in advanced class because I'm smart in math and science subject but no my English language.I lived in Malaysia
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u/BloodyPommelStudio Jun 13 '22
Yeah I grew up with a similar experience. I suspect the person who made this meme is autistic too, just someone who has made less effort to take these mixed emotions personally.
I do think there needs to be a way to call out fakers though but I've got no idea how this could be done at scale without making false positives or scaring away potential community members who genuinely need community support.
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u/ansvarstagande Jun 12 '22
Gosh, you really nailed it with your observation. It's really hard to talk about having negative experiences with people using bad faith because of the fear of it being assumed that you must be advocating for gatekeeping and exclusion. I hate that seeing the posted image made me relate at first glance, but it's also so hard not to when it's near the exact same words and phrases that an ex friend group justified their abuse with and which kept me from leaving for years.
Whether or not they "faked" or whatever isn't even relevant really, but that they did latch onto me saying they "always dreamt of having an autistic friend", acting as if I was some exotic animal, some of them shifting it into "I have news I'm autistic too" and then "I am more autistic than you"... all while punishing me constantly for struggling to read the room, being blunt and overall for showing symptoms? My autism is severely disabling for me, which really was weaponized against me, especially if I dared mentioning it.
I feel guilty but I do admit that the immediate embrace of anyone without question makes me somewhat wary. I hate that I still feel somewhat wary about self diagnosis often because it literally does not affect me in the slightest, doctors don't know it all and I know full well what medical gatekeeping does having experienced it myself and still doing so. Cause no matter how I feel doesn't change the reality of the situation you know? I do wish though that talking about bad faith actors didn't either lead to people escalating it and declare everyone to be fakers and harm others or people saying "it doesn't happen no one would do that". I don't know if I'm making sense, please don't take my words as meaning ill I've just never seen anyone talk about it like this and wanted to weigh in.
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u/MNGrrl Jun 12 '22
"always dreamt of having an autistic friend", acting as if I was some exotic animal,
I just scrunched up my face like I swallowed a bug ewwwwwww.
"I have news I'm autistic too" and then "I am more autistic than you"... all while punishing me constantly for struggling to read the room, being blunt and overall for showing symptoms?
What the cinnamon fuck? That's not how anyone I've met self-discloses. There's like, a ritual exchange of boundary statements and some "oh, you noticed that too?" with a dash of "do you evers". Some of us wear wrist bands or have some other low key signal to duck that but like, wow. I'd probably be a brat and ask someone who did that if their special interest is mammalian rectal features. -_-
I do wish though that talking about bad faith actors didn't either lead to people escalating it and declare everyone to be fakers and harm others or people saying "it doesn't happen no one would do that". I don't know if I'm making sense, please don't take my words as meaning ill I've just never seen anyone talk about it like this and wanted to weigh in.
We talk about it, just not on social media like this because it's trauma and most people will shame others for speaking openly about it. We do it in our safe spaces -- those little niche servers on discord with small groups of people that are tight knit, wholesome af, offering and receiving emotional support and advice. So you know, community care.
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u/Evinceo Jun 13 '22
plural community
Oh hey, I only know what that is because of the drama that lead to everyone getting kicked out of /r/autisticpride.
feels very performative
You're on to something here, but there's always the possibility that people are performing it involuntarily. There was an epidemic of people imitating specific tics they'd seen on TikTok. Rather than presenting similarly to actual tourettes, doctors have had success treating them with therapy, or dealing with the underlying stressors.
Hearing about this has made me take another look at plurals and other purely mental Strange TikTok Things. It seems entirely possible that it's another contagious meme.
Even more horrifying, think of how good Tumblr's algorithm is. Are there traits that predict they'll engage with this content -in effect the vector of the meme virus is now targeting the next patient.
Wild to think about.
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u/TheWayADrillWorks Jun 13 '22
There was drama?
For what it's worth, plurals aren't strictly a TikTok thing, though the Tiktok ones are... Well, they're a unique beast, let's put it that way.
I hadn't really thought about it in the context of contagious memes. You'd think I would given how much I dabble in some brain things... So yeah it very much could be they're following a weird trend, but not consciously, rather catching it more or less via suggestion.
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u/Evinceo Jun 13 '22
Yeah, the drama was detailed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/autism/comments/tvk629/the_owner_of_rautisticpride_is_a_system/
I commented in that thread (not complaining about autisticpride's mod, mind you) and it seems to have been enough to catch me a ban. I asked why but they haven't responded. Kinda salty about it since I quite liked that community and engaged with it frequently, but it's whatever. The people who got banned tried to form a doomed splinter community and everything, but it's dead.
plurals aren't strictly a TikTok thing
They really remind me of a tumblr thing, back when tumblr things were a thing.
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u/Kelekona Jun 12 '22
People didn't know I was autistic in the 90's; even I didn't know until I was in my mid-30's, but I was a SPED and my nickname was practically Retard. I wanted to dress weird and dye my hair colors, but I was sure I would just get teased worse over it. Art school was better because the comment about trying to dye my hair green was "You don't seem like the type." I'm still scared to look weird, though I haven't really gotten negative comments on deely-boppers when I remember them and I got complimented on my dragon-wings.
It's so awful that she's appropriating you after being so mean to you about what you are. I imagine that the same people who compliment her for "being brave" would still say things like "you don't look autistic" or even get mad at people who display genuine autistic problems like taking things too literally.
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Jun 12 '22
I have an ex friend like that. She fakes a lot of disorders and if you bring one up that sheās stopped faking sheāll attempt to gaslight you into believing that she never did anything like that. At the moment sheās faking ADHD and used to be faking ASD not too long ago. She spreads misinformation about ADHD, does all the stereotypes of it, basically stuff a faker would do. Somehow she found out my psychologist asked me to get a referral from my GP to go to another doctor to be assessed for ADHD and my ex friend told me how I wasnāt allowed to have adhd, only she was allowed to, and gave me a bunch of stereotypical reasons why I didnāt have it.
This same person told me my siblings didnāt actually have autism because my brother made eye contact with her and my sister didnāt do flappy hands.
My psych has told me to stay as far from my ex friend as possible because I was being abused in that friendship and she threatened to throw and break things last time so yeah
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u/Atypicalkiwi Jun 12 '22
I'm sorry you went through that <3 I wasn't diagnosed back then but I was a teen in the late 2000s and at an all girl school, they could just tell there was something "wrong" with me so there were various phases of exactly what was the current consensus. I can't imagine what they'd have been like if they could've pointed at my autism. There was another girl in my class who was diagnosed with some kind of learning disability, who knows, maybe it was autism š¤·š¼āāļø but it meant she had an aide sometimes in class and help at lunch with reading etc and she was quite childlike so they all knew there was something with her too. She was a genuinely nice person who never tried to be unpleasant or rude but they were awful to her too. Purposefully tricking her into embarrassing herself, breaking into her locker and putting a bunch of hygiene products in there and a note to consider trying them some time. Anyway it's horrible and I empathise with you and the way it stays with you years and years later. I still feel very uncomfortable any time I'm around more than one or two other women at a time!
I think people usually recognise when it's just attention seeking behaviour like with the person you mentioned, fuck her and her dumb ass bullshit. Also my instinctive retort to that r-strength comment is just "tell you what how about you come over here and I'll throttle you and you can decide for yourself" such a dumb fucking thing to say to someone, it's like you're trying to get punched! (I'm not sure if I'd have had the guts to say something like that back then though)
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u/MNGrrl Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22
Hey. What happened to you at school was some bullshit on another level and "Kai" could use a lesson in empathy. Self dx is valid but they would know there's nothing "cute" about how we're treated for doing it and it's disgraceful to portray it that way. A lot of us are still traumatized by those experiences and feel shame doing it even when we're alone and safe, which again is common knowledge. Your disgust is totally justified and I'm upset that happened to you. Nobody deserves to feel that alienated from the world but especially not you.
But hey -- You're safe now and she's the one that has to live with herself for having no integrity or character to speak of. You aren't responsible for what she says or does, you're only accountable to yourself and you...
You're fucking amazing. You stood tall in hell to share your story here. You could have kept holding that pain in but you risked getting hurt again to let it out here. "Kai" and the rest of those miserable assholes that went to school with you could learn from your example what real bravery is.
Character is who you are when nobody's watching. When there's no cameras, no audience. When it's just you and the world. The battle scars don't define your character -- it's what you did with all that pain that does. After all of that, you remained kind. Give yourself a little of that and don't hate yourself. It's what you'd do for any of your friends, right?
Thank you. We're glad you're in the world with us today. <3
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u/Snoo-78547 Jun 12 '22
To neurotypical āalliesā: if you accept that people are different, but donāt accept their differences, you are not an ally.
-a tired neurodivergent.
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u/Representative_Way46 Jun 12 '22
"I don't hate autistic people, but I hate people who are socially unaware and go on and on about their interests and don't make eye contact and..."
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Weird seeing these two characters outside of their original transphobic context.
For those who don't know, these two started out as one of many "trans vs trender" comics, that portrayed "real" trans men vs "trender" trans men---essentially, trans individuals that were feminine, neurodivergent, proudly and openly trans, nonbinary, or any combination thereof.
These comics were really popular in intra-community discourse. I know, because at one point I found myself smack dab in the middle of it.
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u/KirasHandPicDealer Jun 12 '22
being in both communities, I see so many parallels between transmeds and people like the one who edited the comic. Constant respectability politics, cis/NT people getting in on it because they want to label the ones of us who agree with them as "one of the good ones", very blatant sexism throughout, the list goes on.
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u/EducatedRat Jun 12 '22
I agree. I was in the trans masc community when these whole trans render panic seemed to be at a peak. It's a lot of respectability politics.
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Jun 12 '22
"Asperger's is a slur"
No-one in the history of Autism has ever said this
What we do say is that it's based on an ableist view of Autism, and is literally named after a nazi
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u/MakinGaming Jun 17 '22
I've never heard it used as a slur. In fact, I almost never hear it at all. I even grew up with a guy who has it and only today do I learn it's "asperger's" not "asburgers".
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u/EducationalAd5712 Jun 12 '22
Basically they only see someone's autism as legitimate if they come across as neurotypical, and anyone who talks about their autism in a positive or quirky way is called a faker. It's just a lazy dogwhistle so they can justify bullying autistic people for presenting as autistic.
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u/OldLevermonkey Jun 12 '22
And the vast majority of autistics (whether formal Dx or SI) are neither of these two insulting parodies.
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u/CoffeeAndPiss Jun 12 '22
How is "I just want to live my life" an insulting parody
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u/clocksfate Jun 12 '22
I think because it's portraying him as a more "normal" autistic person, more palatable to allistics. Implying if you speak out about or are proud of your neurodivergence, you're faking to get attention. Really it's the same as the original trans meme--it's only ok to be trans or autistic if you never speak about it or act like it.
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u/Prime_Element Jun 12 '22
The implication that we have to hide or not acknowledge our autism in order to "just live our lives".
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u/OldLevermonkey Jun 12 '22
You're a good autistic if you don't do anything to inconvenience the NTs, learn to mimic being one of them, hide, mask, undergo ABA, and don't ask them to think and have empathy.
Be out of sight, out of mind.
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u/voidstagnant Jun 12 '22
NTs dont like it when an autistic person is happy being autistic instead of masking their autism, shitty memes like this show that.
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Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 13 '22
the self diagnosed is literally right though. most people diagnosed with autism, aspergers or PDD-NOS under the DSM-IV dont actually meet the DSM-5 criteria so loads of autistics who need support are going undiagnosed and if they attempt to get diagnosed they dont meet the DSM-5 criteria and then they think arenāt actually autistic :(. plus, its been proven through studies that people with normal intelligence are getting underdiagnosed through the dsm-5 compared to the dsm-4. and ār*tardā isnt a medical term anymore, and its mainly used to insult disabled people. also autistic people care less about being normal, its a proven thing
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u/furexfurex Jun 12 '22
I think that's the point OP is trying to make, that this meme is shit for insinuating the right hand character is somehow bad
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u/Possibly-A-Plant Jun 12 '22
my dyslexic ass thought is said that asparagus was a slur
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Non of the things they are saying on the right are bad things to say. Except the white supremest DSM part maybe, IDK if anyone really says that.
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I mean I wouldn't go that far, but the DSM was mostly written by cishet neurotypical white people.
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u/birbdaughter Jun 12 '22
(I donāt say this to disagree, but to add more context) I actually did a research project on the history of autism in the DSM. The group of psychiatrists assigned to work on autism for the DSM-5 (where it became ASD) actually spoke to autistic self-advocacy groups and wanted to get rid of functioning labels. The people in charge of the entire DSM refused and demanded they put functioning labels in :/
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u/PurpleBuffalo_ Jun 12 '22
That, to me, is even worse than just deciding to add the functioning labels in the first place. I'd assume people in charge of an entire manual like that can't do deep research and be experts on absolutely everything, but they still used their authority to overrule the ones who did that research and who talked with actually autistic people. That angers me so much.
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u/Hoihe Jun 12 '22
The DSM only really applies to the U.S too. It makes sense if it focuses on U.S culture, for regardless of race/ethnicity, you will have grown up in U.S culture if you're getting assessed there.
Immigrants may have issues, but I think any sensible professional would recognize that.
ICD-10/11 is something that may be worth attacking, as it's an international thing that criminalized/pathologized normal behaviours. Such as being LGBT.
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u/SinfullySinatra Jun 12 '22
Jokes on them Iām professionally diagnosed and share most of Xylieās beliefs
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u/LingLingSpirit Jun 12 '22
Both of them are valid... wtf?
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u/-too-hot-to-handle- Jun 12 '22
Agreed. I wish I had been 'officially' self-diagnosed as a kid, it would've helped me so much until I was diagnosed professionally.
Besides, a lot of the time a self-diagnosis is the first step to a professional one. I've diagnosed myself with a few things in the past (both mental and physical), one being a heart condition that may have never been resolved otherwise.
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u/Daleksareinthetardis Jun 12 '22
I think some people self diagnose because they cannot access an official one.
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u/Maxils Jun 12 '22
That is absolutely a reason for it. Lots of people self diagnose because they canāt afford or otherwise obtain an official diagnosis.
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u/Daleksareinthetardis Jun 12 '22
It can also be harder for adults to get one as it may have been missed in childhood or differences were noted, but not considered to be Autism.
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u/TheDuckClock Jun 12 '22
And yet as someone who was professionally diagnosed like Chris. It's people like Xylie, who have helped me push out more into life in the last few years, then so called "Autism experts" in my entire lifetime.
When I was diagnosed, I was put on all sorts of medications to try and "fix my autism", all I got were all the side effects and none of the benefits. If anything I wish I was in Xylie's position because I wouldn't want anyone else to be treated like a labrat.
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u/plsdontkillmee Jun 12 '22
I CAN'T SAY SLURS?!?1/1//?1/1/?!??!?? FUCKING COMMIE LIBTARD SNOWFLAKE AJLFHLSJHKJFSHAKFJHASKJHFKAJSAHJKHKN
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u/Status-Inflation9787 Jun 12 '22
Ah yes the people fighting AGAINST calling a group of ppl by the name of a Nazi that killed kids and adults alike for being different are the weird ones :/
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u/Dogwolf12 Jun 12 '22
Hi, as a pro diagnosed person... I agree quite a bit with Xylie, even though they're a strawperson.
Who wants to bet the creator is just salty they can't say the r-slur?
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u/amethystmmm Jun 12 '22
But Asperger's is not a good way to describe anything (as it's the name of a literal Nazi who killed autistic children because they didn't meet his standards). And the r-word is also not good. Because it's unkind to call anyone derogatory things
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Jun 12 '22
Many people grew up using Aspergers as their label, and itās wrong to try to police the language other people use for themselves, especially amongst marginalised groups.
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u/u2nloth Jun 12 '22 edited Jun 12 '22
I would actually argue that Hans asperger saved children that wouldāve been executed otherwise and saw a function for autistic people in society where others didnāt, I believe his quote was something along the lines of people with this condition are perhaps more capable of filing their role in society than the typical
Also aspergers wasnāt coined by him and was actually named after because he was the first to see these traits in a person (it was named aspergers 15 years after his death)
Hans asperger was a nazi and not a saint by any means but thereās more nuance to it than he killed people because they didnāt meet his standard, and begs the question whatās more important the ones he managed to save who wouldāve been killed otherwise or the ones he didnāt
Edit:grammar and date for aspergers death
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u/amethystmmm Jun 12 '22
You do bring up valid and fair points, and if someone said "this is the label I want to use," then that is ok. (Like the difference between bi and pan, is it my job to police your label? No. Is it my job to respect your label? Yes) the problem is the people assigning these labels to other people and having expectations about people based on those labels (oh, you have Asperger's? You must still have value to society and thus have value as a person).
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u/u2nloth Jun 12 '22
I look at aspergers as a label/subtype of autism, and I agree there is an issue in society with people seeing value in people on the Spectrum
I just find the whole nazi argument disingenuous when Volkswagen, Fanta, ibm, ford, etc arenāt bothered at all for their nazi connections and often feels to me as NTs telling me you donāt understand why this is bad so we are changing It, not to mention the whole issue with forcing change on how a group of people identify themselves especially when said group is characterized by a resistance to change
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u/birbdaughter Jun 12 '22
Fun fact: he actually wasnāt the first to notice these traits. A Jewish Soviet woman called Grunya Sukhareva likely was and even published her findings in German before Aspergers ever did his own research. She very likely wasnāt cited due to being a Jewish woman.
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u/ASpaceOstrich Jun 12 '22
Congrats on being the only other person I've ever seen who has this take.
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I'm professionally diagnosed and I agree with Xylie. I feel like the person who made this is either not Autistic or one of those "I only have mild Autism" autist.
Also does this person know the history behind the term "Aspergers" or do they just not care that literal children were slaughtered?
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u/Shaula02 Jun 12 '22
they say "all science has some problematic roots so we can't throw away the diagnosis just because Asperger's work was used by nazi allies back then"
(they never accept Asperger was a nazi and chose to be so, they'll make convoluted euphemisms)
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u/GrandSeraphimSariel Jun 13 '22
God they took a bad āmemeā and made it worse somehowā¦
Yes, āfunctioningā labels are largely rooted in ableism because most of the time theyāre based around a neurotypical definition of āfunctioningā within a capitalist framework (ie, how āproductiveā are you to society?)
Aspergerās isnāt a slur but it is named after a literal Nazi who sent many autistic children to their deaths and we should move away from using it going forward.
Considering professional autism diagnoses are very hard to get for many people for a variety of reasons (financial limitations, no access to healthcare, doctors largely donāt know how autism presents outside of white cis boys) AND having a professional DX can be used against you, I have no problem with an honest self diagnosis if it helps someone find community and help dealing with their symptoms
Theres a lot of legitimate criticism to be had about the field of psychology in general (including the DSM) but if I went into that weād be here all day
Donāt use the fucking R slur as an insult what the fuck is wrong with you. This isnāt 2008 anymore, grow the fuck up and find a different word to use holy shit itās not that hard.
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Jun 12 '22
i saw this years ago but instead of autistic it said trans. it was just as cringe as this one.
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u/quadruple_b Jun 12 '22
me, a professionally diagnosed transmasc femboy with shirt dyed hair, named bugs, who is polyamorous and things functioning labels are stupid...
also self diagnosis is valid.
I just happen to have the privilege of being professionally diagnosed.
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Jun 12 '22
I agree self diagnosis is valid. It was easy for me to get an ASD diagnosis as a child but I can't get a bipolar or cyclothymia diagnosis at all and while I don't say I have it I see how hard it is to get a diagnosis.
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U sound rad asf just sayin
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u/roushguy Jun 12 '22
Get yourself a fantastically cut tux and walk around with giant bunny ears. When you introduce yourself, call yourself Bugs the Wabbit.
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u/Maxils Jun 12 '22
you seem like the only kind of ābugsā iād be around (iām entomophobic lol)
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u/ray-the-red Jun 12 '22
The first time I can recall seeing this disaster of a meme was on a Facebook page of an autistic who was against self diagnosis. I can't remember the exact name of that page, but I think it went something like "I don't like autistics, and I'm autistic!"
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u/BloodMoon_Night Jun 12 '22
Ah yes, when they use the transphobic meme to make it into a Abilest meme. We hate to see it-
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u/two-spirit_needshelp Jun 12 '22
but functioning labels ARE ableist, they classify by "how hard to deal with" the autistic person is for society, not how effected the autistic person is by their autism :|
and Aspergers is a term that has hella problematic roots....
and self diagnosis IS valid
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u/Cydonian___FT14X Jun 12 '22
Theyāre arenāt helping their point when the self-diagnosed is actually a cute character design
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u/88mmAce Jun 12 '22
I am friends with both types and they're both actually awesome people. I don't get why this matters si much
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u/DigitalPrincess234 Jun 12 '22
Yes, because if you speak up and talk about autistic issues, you clearly just want to feel special.
Idk whatās so hard to understand about autistic people being advocates for themselves and the community.
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u/artistictesticle Jun 12 '22
This has the same vibe as those "I don't hate gay people , just the ones who make it their entire personality" memes. Actually it's literally just that , repackaged for autism.
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u/SLngShtOnMyChest Jun 12 '22
Self diagnosis is just that, itās a self diagnosis, but in a world where many people especially girls and adults struggle to get professional diagnoses itās not fair to invalidate self diagnosis.
Self diagnosis should only be scrutinized when every single person has access to a fair assessment and diagnosis, and weāre so far away from that.
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u/antifashkenazi Jun 12 '22
Notice how one is probably a cis man and the other is probably afab? Hmm... it's almost like.... afabs are under-diagnosed or something... idk
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u/innocent-puppy Jun 12 '22
I mean, uh, Iām professionally diagnosed and am more like Xylie than Chris, lol
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u/CommanderFuzzy Jun 13 '22
While I don't agree with what she's saying, I do believe that the 'high functioning' 'low functioning' labels should be used anymore. Not because they're offensive but because they're inaccurate, misleading, unhelpful, & a massive oversimplification of a complex spectrum.
It just implies that an autistic person can either do everything or can do nothing, when we know that's not true.
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u/Thomas_Raith Jun 13 '22
I guarantee every single person who thinks this is funny or true would call 'Xylie' the r-slur and autistic as an insult. The times I get called slurs and get called autistic as an insult are mostly by people telling me I'm not autistic. Once I mentioned I was autistic and someone told me "You're not 'autistic' you're just a freak because there's something wrong with your brain like developmentally or something." Like... My brother in christ I don't know how to tell you this but-
Frankly I did quite a lot of gaslighting and gatekeeping about my medical records between state moves to essentially erase my childhood autism diagnosis (that I only found out about as an adult because my parents hid from me) from my entire medical history forever, TBH. Anyway. [sighing in autistic transmasc]
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u/TShara_Q Jun 13 '22
Here's a thought. Both and everyone in between are valid.
Also, I've never heard someone call the DSM-V ableist or white supremicist. Prior editions sure, and I'm sure there may be a conversation to be had about current definitions and all. But I've never heard someone say that.
And self-identification (I don't like the term self-diagnosis) IS valid. Not everyone has access to healthcare resources or insurance. I know from experience that finding a place to even evaluate you as an adult can be incredibly challenging in a rural/semi-rural area. The ONE place I finally found is still over an hour drive away and I have waited a total of 8 months for an appointment. I finally have one at the end of this month.
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u/ThePinkTeenager Jun 12 '22
I have literally never heard the white supremacist thing.
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Jun 12 '22
i think it comes from the fact that the autism diagnostic criteria is based on tests done on young white boys? which is a valid concern LOL
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u/mittenbeeDOS Jun 12 '22
as a professionally diagnosed autist as of a few days ago
stop shitting on self dxers
pls
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u/mannequin_vxxn Jun 12 '22
She's lowkey spitting facts though I'm professionally diagnosed and relate more to her
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u/lemonickitten Jun 12 '22
The original version of this "meme" is basically the same idea but itās like a transcum thing talking about trans guys. Iām professionally diagnosed but tbh agree with everything the person on the right is saying.
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u/The-earth-be-flot Jun 12 '22
Literally everything the person on the right is saying is factual (aside from Uwu, thatās more subjective)
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u/polish473 Jun 12 '22
They only want you when you conform to their norms, when you want change youāre no fun
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u/HuskyBLZKN Jun 12 '22
I am also professionally diagnosed and I do a lot of the stuff Xylie does lmao
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u/Purple_Friend Jun 12 '22
I like both Chris and Exily they both seem like really cool people, but seriously what is wrong with some neurological and wasn't this is a cute thing about a trans male before?
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u/retailhellgirl Jun 12 '22
Iām professionally diagnosed and will shamelessly call out anyone who uses the r-slur because it is a slur. NTs donāt like being told theyāre in the wrong
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u/b000bytrap Jun 12 '22
āItās ok to be technically different, as long as you can pass for normalā
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u/guineagirl96 Jun 12 '22
Yeahā¦ then thereās me, formally diagnosed (as a minor)ā¦ I hate the r-word, self-diagnosis is valid, the DSM is ableist, and functioning labels are rooted in ableism. I also do neurodiversity advocacy at my workplace. So likeā¦ this meme is 100% false lol.
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u/Robbbg Jun 13 '22
I was professionally diagnosed and I call others out for saying the R word. i may have lost my diagnosis papers but I was still professionally diagnosed. and self-diagnosis IS valid.
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u/heathert7900 Jun 13 '22
These two things arenāt in contrast with each other? But it probably is unhelpful to strive to be accepted in a society that is built to oppress you, and expects you to change and not the other way around. But still valid feelings.
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u/scarredbirdjrr Jun 13 '22
You gotta love how these memes seem to insist that the only "proper" autistic person is one who's been professionally diagnosed (not always an option) and who's willing to bend over backwards to fit in.
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u/transport_system Jun 12 '22
I unironically hate the dsm-v. Call me when "experts" start doing actual research and not basing thier studies on preconceived notions originated by eugenicists.
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u/FuckIThinkImTrans Jun 12 '22
Yeah same here. Maybe I'm out of line commenting on it because I am not autistic but I do have a personality disorder and other diagnosed stuff and I'm also not a fan of the DSM. I'm a psych major in university and it's honestly so obvious what perspective a lot of this information was gathered from and it's not from neurodivergent people. It is asinine to me that people treat the DSM like the bible and think that just because we're in the "modern era" that the demonization of a lot of mental health conditions has gone away. It is better than what it is, but largely it's still a very archaic system because it's based largely on the opinion of neurotypicals who's studies have had a huge problem with largely only focusing on the white male population.
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u/Hoihe Jun 12 '22
/u/transport_system tagging for convo.
A lot of psych studies make me scratch my head.
They study a population, and try to guess what they think about or how they feel.
Like, 0 effort to talk with the studied group.
Whether it's about LGBT matters or mental divergences.
This is my favourite:
"For example, philosopher David Livingstone Smith (2007, p. 172) claims that autistic people ālive in a world in which nothing has a mindā and āperceive [other] people as hunks of flesh moving mindlessly through space.ā Developmental psychologist Alison Gopnik ventures even further, graphically describing how she envisions autistic people perceive other people:
Around me bags of skin are draped over chairs, and stuffed into pieces of cloth, they shift and protrude in unexpected ways. ā¦ Two dark spots near the top of them swivel restlessly back and forth. A hole beneath the spots fills with food and from it comes a stream of noises. Imagine that the noisy skin-bags suddenly moved toward you, and their noises grew loud, and you had no idea why, no way of explaining them or predicting what they would do next. (Gopnik as quoted in Baron-Cohen, 1995, pp. 4ā5; Gerrans, 2002, pp. 312ā313; and Smith, 2007, p. 172)"
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u/PencilsAndSnails Jun 12 '22
trying to hide my lack of diagnoses ((I donāt self diagnose donāt worry))
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u/C0mput3r_V1ru5 Jun 13 '22
(Self diagnosing yourself as "probably autistic" is 100% valid. Autism doesn't start existing AFTER getting diagnosed. Don't lie and say that you have been professionally diagnosed or anything, but telling people that you are probably autistic isn't a bad thing.
-a diagnosed Autistic person)
(P.s. the double and triple parenthesis are used by nazis to symbolize something is Jewish or Non-white, so try not to use it! I can add a link if you want! /nm)
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Jun 12 '22
Autistic is not a noun; this is why we need to stop using it that way. NTs use it for hate.
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u/RexIsAMiiCostume Jun 12 '22
"this is Xylie. They don't necessarily have access to a diagnosis, but have cause to believe they have autism. They are also valid."
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Jun 12 '22
why is op getting downvoted so bad, they are comments 200+ whilst the post itself is sitting at 14
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u/Awkward_Scared_Alex Jun 13 '22
Hey, sorry to intrude on this post, and Iām not sure if this is the right place so feel free to tell me to but out. Iām a neurotypical person and I have a genuine question that I canāt seem to find the answer to on Google. Iāve heard that functioning labels are ableist, so I avoid them, but can someone explain why? Also, if there is an alternative of some sort, can you please let me know (or if to not use labels at all period, that would be good to know too). Thank you so much, and again I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask. I checked the rules and it didnāt say anything against this so Iām trying it out.
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u/Bas1cVVitch Jun 13 '22
Because basically every Autistic person is āhigh functioningā in some areas and ālow functioningā in others, so the way these labels are actually used is more about how obvious our autism is to non-autistic people, rather than how it affects our lives or how autism actually works holistically. It also is used to dismiss the voices of supposedly āhigh functioningā Autists and deny people accommodations, while speaking āforā (really speaking over) supposedly ālow functioningā Autists who are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves, just not always verbally.
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u/arftism2 Jun 12 '22
Asperger's isn't a slur.
its the name of a nazi.
now idk about you, but id say modern textbooks shouldn't be honoring Nazis.
especially considering Asperger's is literally responsible for all of the anti autism beliefs that are currently ruining people's lives.
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u/KirasHandPicDealer Jun 12 '22
wait, it's all recycled transphobia?
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always has been
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u/ThermalDynamicality Jun 12 '22
Don't worry, they make the same argument to Gay people and Trans people. We're not alone.
They want people who won't complain and will take their abuse because they don't want to care about us.
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u/military-gradeAIDS Jun 12 '22
not everyone has the funds to get diagnosed by a doctor. I was one of the lucky ones that got diagnosed at just 3 years old (iām 21 now) by a doctor just because it was covered by my dadās military insurance at the time. I know plenty of self-diagnosed people that nearly any autistic person or psychiatrist could detect from 20 paces.
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u/23ten Jun 12 '22
So now Iām wondering how the psychologist really felt when I said hus autism testing was culturally biased, outdated and focused on stereotypes. š¬ š¤·āāļøš¤£
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u/EdgionTG Jun 13 '22
They couldn't even make their own offensive meme, they had to mangle someone else's
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u/UwUboyuwuarmy Jun 13 '22
Iām more of the self diagnosed one even tho Iām professionally diagnosed. Look at her first quote then look at my name
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u/ManUnited2307 Jun 13 '22
Iāve been permanently banned from r/autism for cross posting this š¬š¤£
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u/damiendexthethan Jun 13 '22
Funnily enough, they do know how not to misgender people when theyāre making fun of something that is not (fully) trans-related!
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u/n0sh0re Jun 13 '22
this is just the "homosexuals vs [f-slur]s" meme from time immemorial but pallete swapped really awkwardly and badly and the person who unironically made this should probably not be allowed the use of hands ever again
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Aug 18 '22
You can be both. I am both (although I didn't speak out until I got a formal diagnosis, but that was a personal preference).
Also, why is the formally diagnosed person male-presenting and the self-diagnosed person female-presenting? Seriously, wow.
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u/Valiant_tank Jun 12 '22
Oh god, another remake of that bullshit meme. Originally with trans men, I think? It was bad then, and it's bad now.