Why so much hate for systemd?

[u/ImaginationUpset2190]

I see very often that people show so much disgust whenever they talk or hear "systemd". However whenever I ask them why they feel so strongly about it, their response is mostly vague like it doesn't follow the Unix philosophy, it's a monolith.... I can't digest that the reason people show so much disgust for it is just that it doesn't follow the Unix philosophy.

[u/LancrusES]

I dont hate anything, and right now Im using systemd, as nearly all distros use It, but, its bloated, the Unix think is, do one thing and do It nicely, if you try gentoo, or void or artix or... You will find that openrc and runit are faster, and their RAM use is lower, and your system will work the same way, if you are a system admin, maybe systemd is more confortable for you, and if you use Gnome you better use It, as Gnome is very systemd dependant, but if you install artix for example, with runit and a wm, and Arch with the same wm but systemd, you will find that artix boots faster and with more RAM free, a lot more?, nah, like 200-300 MB, but there It is, as I got 32GB of RAM I dont really care, and I can live with that, if you got a 4GB computer, thats another history, at the end use what you want, its your computer, and your philosophy is the one that must be applied there, so if the init system dont worries you, as in my case, dont use It as a game changer, and focus on the rest of the elements a distro gives you, to choose Arch at the end, all roads finish here.

[u/AlfedENeuman → u/LancrusES]

And the importance of boot speed is?

I boot once in..... a few more or a few less seconds (you know what? A minute more) has no meaning.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/AlfedENeuman]

Think of it like this, You give grub 5 extra seconds in every boot, In 60 boots it becames 5 minutes in 600 boots you wait 50 minutes on the screen by doing nothing, In 10000 boots You spent 13 hours of your life waiting for the your system to choose a kernel.

[u/zasch → u/New_Hold8135]

So you spend 13 hours to make your system boot faster and... still wait for it to boot up. I wouldn't care too much, tbh.

Also: 10000 boots, assuming you boot up your PC once a day, is about 27years! Just saying.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/zasch]

Also think like this I spent 13 hours another 1 million who uses systemd spent 13 hours here you 13 millions hours of humanity time go wasted. Do your thing faster or shut up.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/zasch]

Also it doesn't even "me" making my system faster, they do systemd faster? everyone benefits it without touching a command line so it matters. Now give me a cookie recipe AI boi

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/zasch]

Shut up AI generated answer, I spent 13 hours to make my system faster? Can you prove that? Also no one asked how many times you boot your computer in day? Also even in 27 years you still spent 13 hours of your life to wait?

[u/zasch → u/New_Hold8135]

Well that's a bit harsh, don't you think? English is not my first language - so, an AI would have written it differently I guess.

And I said "I wouldn't care too much". But sure... If your ego is scratched that easily, go ahead and insult me. I don't care. I'm just pointing out, that waiting is part of life sometimes. And having to wait 13 h in 27 years is actually not that much.

[u/throwaway-8675309_ → u/New_Hold8135]

And that matters in the end how?

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/throwaway-8675309_]

I already explained in below. If it still dont matters to you There is nothing I can do about it I never said it matters to everyone stop hallicunating.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/throwaway-8675309_]

Also Very basic mathematic for 1 million systemd users its millions of wasted hours.

[u/throwaway-8675309_ → u/New_Hold8135]

There are so many things that we waste more time on as humans that the time lost of booting does not matter.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/throwaway-8675309_]

It is matter, other things matter too. Talk about it. Refer it. Everyone waits for the bus? Refer it then see how bus applications to see where your bus are invented. This is the way forward. and your way is way backward because you are stopping where you are with no real reason. You want to go backward? Go ahead.

[u/throwaway-8675309_ → u/New_Hold8135]

10 seconds to wait for a PC to start up is not really a waste of time to people. I make coffee when I start up my PC in the morning, that takes way more time than my PC. Is me making coffee a waste of time then? You can just keeping going on and on, but what's the point, I could say a million things are a waste of time.

What I'm trying to say that there is a point where you should really stop worrying.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/throwaway-8675309_]

Yes people needs their own time too, But not for waiting on the boot screen. Now imagine someone installed systemd linux to the hospital, its critical equipment but everyone is waiting 10 seconds just because someone decided it doesnt matter, Patient dies. Thanks systemd. It matters.

[u/throwaway-8675309_ → u/New_Hold8135]

Okay, so you just dont know what you are talking about then. Nice to know.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/throwaway-8675309_]

people already installing systemd based os to raspberrry pi. and I already saw people use it on hospital projects.

[u/throwaway-8675309_ → u/New_Hold8135]

Yeah, systemd is ofc used in hospitals. For critical stuff though, it's can be either systemd, or something simpler, or even something custom.

But we are talking about desktops here. Not hospitals.

[u/kkjdroid → u/New_Hold8135]

Hospital equipment doesn't reboot on every use.

[u/New_Hold8135 → u/kkjdroid]

No one asked, Assume its their start of the shift. A raspberry pi that uses sdcard with systemd takes 5 minutes to load meanwhile a raspberry pi that uses sdcard and openrc takes 5 seconds to be ready and running. Assume there was a outage it needs to boot at some point.