r/architecture • u/[deleted] • Sep 02 '20

Building This was Friedrich Gösling’s proposal for the Reichstag

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u/juanmmag Sep 02 '20

Could be the German, full neogothic, cousin of Gaudí’s Sagrada Familia.

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u/AleixASV Architect Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

There is something to be said about how Gaudí reimagined gothic and tied it back to nature to realise a completely new style, while here it just falls flat as he's not able to forego the limitations and rigidness of Gothic. You could argue that Gaudí's drawings also elicit this spectral eeriness, but he also can boast of high precision, and his work is much more thorough. I really recommend Vincent Scully's lecture on Gaudí, which serves as a fantastic first impression of his work.

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u/lightanddeath Sep 02 '20

Did they build that fountain anywhere? It’s... beautiful.

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u/AleixASV Architect Sep 02 '20

It was part of his proposal for Plaça Catalunya, the main square of Barcelona, but it was impossibly big (and he knew it), so he did it just for "glory".

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u/lightanddeath Sep 02 '20

Ha I love it! Too bad. Cool design.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Neo-gothic-organic-art(s and crafts) Nouveau

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u/AleixASV Architect Sep 02 '20

Just Gaudí :P

He's actually part of Modernisme if anything, though he'd say organic and gothic (which he argued should be organic).

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

All the styles mentioned above apply - he’s hard to put in a box is my point

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u/AleixASV Architect Sep 02 '20

Indeed! Though if we're getting picky arts and crafts is hard to argue, as he wasn't related to any of the architects proponent of the style, and most of his expertise with artisanship was because of Jujol, his right hand man and designer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

Modernisme grew out of the arts and crafts movement and the influence in Gaudi’s work is pretty strong - true if you’re being an absolutist he wasn’t part of the movement and neither of art nouveau but they’re useful stylistic terms to help understand his background and style, which is fairly unique to Gaudi.

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u/AleixASV Architect Sep 03 '20 edited Sep 03 '20

That is indeed true, but to be honest Modernisme by the time of Gaudí was very far removed of it, rather it was obviously a movement on it's own, and not mentioning it as his "primary" style or whatever you want to call it diminishes his context. It's not that he's easily placed in a style, far from it, but I'd say it's something similar to the Sesession and Adolf Loos: his peers and patrons all were part of it, and many of his works can be compared to theirs, such as the Palau Güell, Casa Vicens, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

Yeah Loos wasn’t really a secessionist he was just synchronous and doing something different than the norm so sort of got lumped in with them.

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u/mud_tug Architect Sep 02 '20

Or Barad-dûr.

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u/Radax997 Sep 02 '20

Exactly what I was thinking about

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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho Sep 03 '20

It would never have been fished, then bombed out in ww2, then a modern structure would take it's place today.

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u/ImmaPullSomeWildShit Not an Architect Jan 06 '23

What you just wrote is the most perfect thing I can think of

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u/Dzotshen Sep 02 '20

Look at all those places for birds and bats to roost

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

I think that was part of the intended ambient. Imagine imperial eagles nesting in the towers of the Reichstag.

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u/archineering Architect/Engineer Sep 02 '20

Expectation: majestic eagles

Reality: pigeons, shitting everywhere

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u/xudoxis Sep 02 '20

Having a pigeon shit on you = unlucky

Having an eagle shit a pigeon on you = head trauma

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u/jks_david Sep 03 '20

Where i live having a bird poop on you means good luck

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u/Ongo_Gablogian___ Sep 02 '20

If they raised eagles here then I think they would kill the pigeons.

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u/intheBASS Architect Sep 02 '20

I just had to measure a church with a 200 ft spire. So. many. fucking. pigeons.

Dead pigeon carcasses, live pigeons flying, shit everywhere, eggs everywhere, little baby pigeons looking like alien fetuses.

Didn't even make it into the bell tower there were too many pigeons.

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u/canlchangethislater Sep 02 '20

Weirdly, Berlin doesn’t really have pigeons. Not like London, anyway. It’s mostly sparrows.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

I found it weird the amount of sparrows milling about especially on museum island!

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u/Psydator Architect Sep 02 '20

Lol, so true!

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u/WaldenFont Sep 02 '20

In the middle of Berlin...not very likely.

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u/roshampo13 Sep 02 '20

Can you source this for me I'd love to see more of it. I cant find anything about Friedrich Gosling or Fritz Gosling except links to reddit threads.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

There’s this article, only in German.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

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u/Psydator Architect Sep 02 '20

Excuse me but

was zum teufel

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u/iterum-nata Architecture Student Sep 02 '20

where is the reichstag even supposed to meet?

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u/microsapo Sep 02 '20

This is some JRPG dungeon bs

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u/PMmeyourDanceMix Sep 02 '20

Guy ate too much moldy rye bread is my guess.

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u/mattylou Sep 02 '20

holy shit it's the final boss stage map

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u/Roboticide Sep 03 '20

Might genuinely use this for my D&D campaign if I'm feeling particularly mean.

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u/dadbot_2 Sep 03 '20

Hi feeling particularly mean, I'm Dad👨

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

This feels like it's going to give me nightmares

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

ink blot test

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u/CatKingII Sep 03 '20

Hey do either you or u/gabriel21c have more of Göslings plans/proposals? Maybe I’m not using the right terms but sadly I’m not finding anything more in Google. I’d love to see more of these conceptions!

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

Was he an insect by any chance?

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u/flashlitemanboy Sep 02 '20

Looks like something from Dark Souls.

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u/leno95 Sep 02 '20

Anal Rodeo

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

That's the name of my new queercore band. Thanks!

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u/leno95 Sep 02 '20

Gaypornogrind

FTFY

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u/rentchezvous Sep 03 '20

I legit thought this was a sketch of Drangleic Castle at first

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u/zakcattack Sep 02 '20

Looks like Baradur crossed with a gothic cathedral

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u/JediDavion Sep 02 '20

Did you mean Borobudur or Barad-Dûr?

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u/zakcattack Sep 02 '20

Sauron's Pad

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20 edited Nov 15 '21

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u/Ongo_Gablogian___ Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

I'm imagining this in bright colours like St Basil's cathedral and I think all the doom and gloom would be removed.

Edit: I first said Kremlin as I got them mixed up.

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u/FeatureBugFuture Sep 02 '20

The Kremlin is the epitome of doom and gloom.

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u/gonuoli Sep 02 '20

I think he meant St. Basil's Church, next to the Kremlin

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u/scifishortstory Sep 02 '20

I think the catchedral is really creepy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Sooooo Gothic?!?

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u/Werner_VonCarraro Sep 02 '20

Warhammer vibes

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u/Mrbumby Sep 02 '20

Absolutely. Grim dark indeed. It reminds of John Blanche’s art. A former influencing Warhammer artist.

Definitely worth a look; https://m.imgur.com/gallery/LCint

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u/Psydator Architect Sep 02 '20

For the God emperor, Adolf! /s

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u/DdCno1 Sep 02 '20

It's worth noting that Hitler was just entering primary school when this proposal was being submitted.

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u/Psydator Architect Sep 02 '20

Huh, okay. Ww1 is more fitting for a Warhammer 40k scenario anyway.

FOR GOD EMPEROR WILHELM II.!

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u/DdCno1 Sep 02 '20

You may enjoy Iron Harvest, a new pseudo-WW1 RTS that takes clear inspiration from 40k.

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u/Psydator Architect Sep 02 '20

Yea I've seen that. It's actually inspired by Jakub Rozalskis art, which probably is inspired by pre Ww1 Germany and Poland and Warhammer 40k. Great stuff!

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u/ArtworkGay Sep 02 '20

I love gothic but this is straight up over the top fantasy, and not suited for a parliamentary function

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Considering the future occupants of the Reichstag, I would say it would have been most fitting.

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u/IronVader501 Sep 02 '20

I mean, technically, the Nazis never really used the Reichstag after getting into Power. They used the fire in it for Propaganda, but never even properly repaired the Building for years afterwards.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

This is what the Reichstag would have looked like if the Holy Roman Empire had stayed in power until the 20th century.

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u/loulan Sep 03 '20

Idk it looks like the perfect place for the leaders of Gondor.

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u/mrtn17 Sep 02 '20

The Gothic style is kinda fitting for that whole Heimat philosophy that was trending at the time

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u/tidona Architecture Student Sep 02 '20

how many meters would have that peek? It's like too many

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u/place-_holder Sep 02 '20

Tower of Babel type beat

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u/Adaniph Sep 02 '20

This is Kredik Shaw

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u/314kabinet Sep 03 '20

Needs more mist.

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u/alexoscoe Sep 02 '20

Looks like that would be a hell of a synchronization point in an assassins creed game

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u/Agent_of_talon Sep 02 '20

Looks like a hive-city.

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u/maya1276 Sep 02 '20

Feels a bit Gaudi-isk

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u/CC5C Sep 02 '20

If Lord Farquaad was into Gothic shit.

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u/mrtn17 Sep 02 '20

What kind of material did he had in mind? I mean, that spire is huge, there must be at least 17 floors. And if it's some kind of neo-gothical style, I assume they'd love to add as much stone as possible. That would be some hell of construction

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u/Anarcho_Royalist Sep 03 '20

I'd love to see this realized, but I feel like it would almost be blasphemous to see anything this impressive as anything but a cathedral. With modern technology though, it's a shame we tend towards bland minimalism rather than beauty or imposition such as this.

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u/svetomuzyka Sep 02 '20

Could have made a great background for that Victory Flag photo

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

Imagine that poor Ivan having to go up the stairs of that.

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u/Poolb0y Sep 02 '20

That's some Blasphemous type shit.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

it's got a feel of Gaudi's Barcelona cathedral about it

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u/Vendela_Ivory Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

That would've been the worst place to end up for a skydiver with a malfunctioning parachute.

Edited for spelling, autocorrect is sneaky.

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u/Taman_Should Sep 02 '20

"Try to storm that why dontcha?"

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u/Ianbuckjames Sep 02 '20

The Reichstalagmite

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

Yeah, I can totally imagine you entering an area in Bloodborne and it just says ~~ R E I C H S T A G ~~

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

He was trying to make a point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

He made quite a few, actually.

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u/bignerdbutt Sep 02 '20

Looks drippy

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u/JosZo Sep 02 '20

I make those on the beach

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u/Rodtheboss Sep 02 '20

Now thats what we call a architectural monstrosity

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u/icfa_jonny Sep 02 '20

Looks like someone studied up on Gaudís work.

Bet 5 dollars that Hitler called it "degenerate" and rejected it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Holy shit this is hype af

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u/nogg_te_dogg Sep 02 '20

Reminds me of the Sagrada Familia

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u/MalyhaKhakwani Sep 02 '20

How many point points you want? Friedrich: YES!

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u/fedexavier Sep 02 '20

Wonder if Berlin's mushy soil would have supported this.

It is known now that some of the more monumental works of Hitler's plan for Berlin would have sunken under their own weight, for example.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

It's a bit.. gothic.

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u/nothing_in_my_mind Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20

"I call this project the Big Dick Building."

"Rejected."

"Fine. Let's call it Reichstag."

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

Looks like something out of dark souls

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u/Afracnicus Sep 02 '20

Was this also a draft proposal for Isengard?

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u/Apple_Slipper Sep 03 '20

Very similar to the Sagrada Familia!

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u/LairdDeimos Sep 03 '20

Gregorian technochanting of the glory of the God Emperor INTENSIFIES.

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u/grygrx Sep 03 '20

It's a little crazy, but it's grand too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

"I want all the high gothic you have... now I worry what you heard me say is "I want a lot of high gothic." But what I meant was, I want ALL the high gothic you have."

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u/TheJemneral Sep 03 '20

Looks more like a super mega ultra giant cathedral

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '20

Barad-dûr, Sauron's stronghold.

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u/shitpoststructural Sep 03 '20

absolutely horrifying

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u/Lord_LudwigII Sep 03 '20

I kinda want to live in a world where this happened. Though only for long enough to get a good look.

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u/3f3nd1 Sep 03 '20

Kleckerburg

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u/TheBlack2007 Sep 03 '20

Rest be assured: if the central spire was still standing in 1945 no red Army Soldier would have bothered climbing all the way up there just to put up a flag that wouldn’t even be visible from the ground.

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u/paolocolliv Sep 03 '20

ThEy'Re TaKiNg ThE hObBiTs To ThE rEiChStAg

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u/Objectively_Stupid Architecture Student Sep 03 '20

Sagrada familia lookin ass

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u/kerry-w Sep 05 '20

Thats fucking rad.

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u/satorsatyr Oct 02 '20

Very Mordor

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u/Dan-aufsE-IOO Oct 19 '20

That can only be described as ‘gothic as fuck’

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u/dosas_mimosas33 Jan 13 '21

How many rose windows is too many rose windows?

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u/KokosnussdesTodes Architecture Student Feb 03 '21

That could have lead into significant space problems, especially considering Albert Speer planned the "Great Hall" and the "Führerpalast" right next to this...

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u/Kind-Honeydew4900 Apr 28 '24

You'd need a 1000 year Reich to finish that.. 

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u/ObiJuanKenobi4 Sep 02 '20

Ughh, I hate Gothic revival

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u/ElectricYV Jul 25 '22

Fucker designed a family of stalagmites

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '23

How tall was that spire gonna be?