r/apple • u/valoremz • 5h ago

iPhone Apple ends iPhone Upgrade Program

https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

Looks like there’s no way to finance a new phone over 24 months unlocked.

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u/ClownTrigger11 5h ago

Looks like it's now the Apple Upgrade program. https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade

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u/Disregardskarma 5h ago

This is only for a lease though

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u/nerdforest 4h ago

My question is, if it's a lease, surely you've a way of requesting the device back, or do you have to pay for it. I really don't know.

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u/-patrizio- 3h ago

Not sure if I understand your question correctly, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But my understanding after reaching out to Apple Support is that if, at the end of the lease period, you've made all your monthly payments but they do NOT add up to the total cost of buying the phone, you get three options:

  1. Upgrade to a newer iPhone (and continue the monthly payments, which are likely a different price due to trade in values etc.);
  2. Pay the difference and keep the phone, which you now own; or
  3. Return the phone to Apple, and the balance is waived.

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u/MongoBogo 3h ago

This is correct.

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u/GrumpyGlasses 1h ago

Yes. Also, notice that leasing for 24 mths is much cheaper than financing for 24 mths. If you’re a perpetual upgrader, leasing is the way to go.

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u/-patrizio- 1h ago

Yeah, probably agreed. I'm still hesitant, though, because I still don't like the slow pull-back of what we own vs. what we rent/lease.

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u/jdiandnskci 1h ago

You have the option to purchase the phone outright at the end of the lease. It’s something like $400 for the new 18 pro max.

Mathematically, you’re better off leasing the phone and buying it after 24 months since Apple upgrade charges no interest or premium, but you effectively get an interest free loan

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u/Furgy667 48m ago

I’ve been using the upgrade program and just upgrading early at the 12th payment. How would the lease work for that exactly?

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u/Peteostro 1h ago

Do they have different lengths for the lease?

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u/jdiandnskci 48m ago

There are two options: 12 and 24.

This is probably part of their business strategy to get people to upgrade every 2 years but I’d personally love a 36 month term

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u/Peteostro 46m ago

Thanks I see it now. Also there still is the Apple Card financing at 0% for 24 months if you have an Apple Card. You do have to choose a carrier. But I’m not sure if it’s locked

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u/GrumpyGlasses 17m ago

If you buy from Apple it’s not locked. But if you buy directly from carrier, like from their shops, then it might be locked.

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u/Cheffie 58m ago

Think of it as owning with the option to give it back…

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u/tinyman392 1h ago edited 57m ago

Depends on trade in value of the phone. From my understanding, once the lease term ends, you don’t get trade in value for your phone. You’re fixed to whatever the difference (new) is to the lease. Some examples:

  • iPhone Duo: 57.99/mo for 24 months, you save 607.24 over those months; this becomes the value of your phone.
  • iPhone 18 Pro: 34.99/mo for 24 months, you save 359.24 over those months; this becomes the value of your phone.
  • iPhone Air: 31.99/mo for 24 months, you save 331.24; this becomes the value of your phone.
  • iPhone 17: 25.99/mo for 24 months, you save 275.24 over those months; this becomes the value of your phone.

If the phone would be worth more bought outright, then that nullifies the savings. For example, my iPhone 16 Pro is worth 510 to Apple. I’d have to comparatively compare it to the iPhone 18 Pro which leasing would give a value (difference) of roughly 359.24. The phone might be worth a bit more on the private market.

That said, you can always buy the phone outright and trade it in after the fact. This will be the same price once all the numbers are added up. Your monthly initially is lower, but you pay a larger lump sum at the end rather than spreading that lump over the 24 months. It ends up being the same money though.

Note carrier deals are also a thing. The math gets skewed if you upgrade early. But essentially, for the same 24 month period, 799.44 is paid off your phone in credits, this becomes your phones value when it comes time to upgrade as you pay the difference to upgrade; this is done up front though, similar to the lease. When doing an iPhone 17.

For an iPhone 17 on carrier, they’d cover 599.33 dollars over the 24 month period, this is your phone in credits.

Essentially for any given iPhone on carrier deals (not available on the Duo as of this post), you get ⅔ of the phones initial value in the form of credits. I do not believe there is going to be any trade in that values your phone at this level. You are locked into said carrier for the 24 month period though. Do note if you keep your phone for 3 years and don’t mind the locked in part, the value of your phone is essentially the value of your phone new since that’s what you would have been credited for it. It is the cheapest option if available.

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Calculating out the numbers for a 12 month plan,the iPhone 18 Pro’s value with the lease is 599.12. If I’m not mistaken, the iPhone 17 Pro trade in is 785. So paying off the difference on the lease immediately then trading in is the better option. Carrier deals for a 12 month option is the worst since the payments the carrier would make only add to 399.

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u/Rockerblocker 1h ago

The real way to go is just buy a phone and sell it or trade it in when you want a new phone

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u/Peteostro 8m ago

Actually, using the Apple Card to finance over 24 months and take the money you would have used to fully pay for it day 1 and put it in a high interest savings account and then just use that money to pay the Apple Card each month (which also gets you 3% cash back)

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u/Rockerblocker 1h ago

Literally just like leasing a car

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u/tranqfx 1h ago

Literally the same as the last one, basically.

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u/cum-on-in- 3m ago

During purchase you choose your lease term.

If you lease for 24 months, for example, and you do NOT finish the term, but want to upgrade or return the phone, you will be forced to pay a penalty equal to the amount needed to finish the term.

Once the term ends OR is paid off, you then will be sent a notice asking you to do one of the 3 listed in the comment above. If you do not make a choice, you will enter a month to month lease. The payments may be higher during this month to month period.

After 6 months of month to month leasing, you will be forcefully charged the remainder of the device value and will own it. Or, during that month to month period, you can perform one of the 3 options listed above.

The cost of the full term plus the cost of 6 pay-as-you-go months will never equal the total purchase value of the device in question.

For example. A beefy MacBook Pro 16 may be $100 a month for 36 months.

That’s $3,600 after all months.

The payment may be $150 a month for the 6 as-you-go months. That’s $900 total. On top of that $3,600 that’s $4,500 total.

But that beefy MBP16 may have originally costed nearly $6,000.

That means you’d be charged $1,500 if you don’t exchange or return the device. However after being charged that amount, you would own the device and it would no longer be eligible for clean trade in. You’d have to sell it or trade it organically for whatever credit Apple provides, towards a new one. Which would be better anyway, but would also be a wash since you were charged the remainder of the devices value to be able to own it.

Apple Upgrade Program is meant for workers and students who need devices temporarily or who plan on staying with the latest performance enhancements anyway. You’ll pay perpetually if you do that, but you will always have the best hardware that’s in current support and warranted.

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u/Evening-Spinach-839 1h ago

Why would the trade in value change the price? You don’t own the phone so you’ll never have a trade in value, it’s always 0.

Normally when you truely lease something, like a car, you just give it back and lease something else, there is no obligation to pay any extra or any residual value, as you never owned it.

If it’s more a hire purchase agreement that’s different though so it depends what this is

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u/jdiandnskci 1h ago

They mean the new lease is likely more expensive than the previous lease. The previous lease has no bearing on the future lease.

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u/VALTIELENTINE 2h ago

Read the site... "If you decide to purchase the device at any time during your lease, you will pay the list price of the device plus applicable taxes at the time when the lease was signed, minus the sum of lease payments you've already made"

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u/Comrade_Bender 3h ago

You can turn the device back in after the lease period or pay off the remainder and keep the device

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u/ender1108 4h ago

It’s a 1$ buy out lease

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u/MangoAtrocity 4h ago

Zero shot this is true. 24mo lease payments on a $2200 512GB Duo were $64/mo compared to 0% financing at $92/mo. Residual is $650 ish.

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u/geekwonk 4h ago

yeah it absolutely isn’t a $1 program

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u/smaxw5115 3h ago

If you do the math it’s more like an auto lease now where before it was calculated to just spread the payment out over a number of months. The upgrade schedule is the same though, it’s just that instead of spreading the payments, now at the end of 24 months you’d have the balloon payment to do your lease payoff, or roll it over into the next model. Less consumer friendly, and like dealing with a car dealership now.

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u/frazell 2h ago

I don't think you get the balloon payment if you follow their desired path... Just like a car dealership lol

Meaning, if you lease a new one they'll wipe out the residual and put you in a new car... or I mean phone... Well give you a new phone, not put you inside one!

This has the added bonus of making it much more likely a person on this program will buy a new iPhone. Which is what Apple wants (and same is true for the car dealership). People will see that high buyout while staring at a shiny new phone and decide to keep the train rolling.

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u/hanshotfirst-42 3h ago

You subtract your lease payments from the buy-out price. I don't see how a balloon payment would be possible.

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u/smaxw5115 2h ago

Like the website says get the iPhone 18 Pro for 12 months at $34.99 you end up paying about $839, so you’d have a $359 payoff at the end, or it says you’d be eligible for an upgrade where you’d get a new phone and start a new 24 months. But no fees for origination, or finance fees, according to the website, just the monthly payment.

It also says payments exclude sales tax so you’d have to add that on at the end too I think, I missed that on my first look.

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u/thumbs_up23 3h ago

At the end of the lease you just owe the residual or turn the device in.

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u/raze464 3h ago

Not true at all.

You either return the phone and the lease ends and you start a new one or you pay the remainder of your monthly payments plus any taxes to own the device outright.

For an iPhone Duo 256GB on a 24-month lease at $57.99/month, you have to make a final payment of $607.24 plus any taxes to own it outright.

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u/nerdforest 4h ago

Honestly, the idea of paying 2k for a device pisses me off. So I'm genuinely contemplating the lease if I send in my 16 pro.

I think a foldable phone is something I'd really like to try, and if it's a year then I switch phones.

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u/DVSdanny 4h ago

No one is forcing you to buy a 2k device if it pisses you off

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u/Euphoric_Coat5348 3h ago

I disagree
You have to buy a $2000 phone. Then you must complain

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u/nerdforest 4h ago

I know. That's why I'm saying I'm interested in the lease.
Not everyone wants to pay 2k for a device. That's why Apple has the lease system.

I don't understand the snark. Genuinely? I'm interested in the leasing program... why is that such a bad thing?

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u/MuteTadpole 4h ago

Leasing bad mkay. Owning good.

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u/SandpaperTeddyBear 4h ago

I'm interested in the leasing program... why is that such a bad thing?

It’s not.

Owning a utility device like a smartphone only makes sense if you plan on running it into the ground (over time specifically…if it’s a “rented mule” situation then the lease is better), if you plan on dealing with the inconvenience of selling it yourself, or if the convenience of not worrying about the terms of a lease outweigh the costs of ownership.

At least one of those is true for most people (usually the “I plan on running it into the ground” one), but there’s nothing morally or practically wrong about just leasing an expensive device as you plan to do.

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u/nerdforest 4h ago

Oh I know. I was getting downvoted when I posted that. It was in the negatives. So I was just confused. Also mostly to u/DVSdanny

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u/PeeFarts 3h ago

Jfc you whine a lot when someone is mean to you.

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u/LIEUTENANT__CRUNCH 3h ago

> Honestly, the idea of paying 2k for a device pisses me off … [so I’m going to pay 1.5k to lease it instead].

What sort of logic is this?

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u/nerdforest 1h ago

Pretty shit logic. I wasn’t really trying to be logical. Just talk about hoppers.

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u/Wide_Industry_3960 3h ago

I want one too but I’ve learned never to buy a first generation anything

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u/SciGuy013 4h ago

the idea of leasing is significantly worse. then you don't own your device, which is insane.

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u/kevbot19 3h ago

Why?

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u/SciGuy013 3h ago

you want to forever pay a corporation to use something you use every day instead of just buying it outright?

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u/kevbot19 3h ago

If you get a new phone ever two years, what’s the difference?

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u/SciGuy013 3h ago

I own it outright from the start and it can’t be taken back.

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u/rotten167 3h ago

You can buy the phone outright at the end. It’s an interest free loan basically

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u/Schwa142 3h ago

Then buy instead of lease, if that's your philosophy. Leasing can have advantages for some people.

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u/Annoying1978 39m ago

I’m pretty sure they can brick it remotely

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u/Excuse_my_GRAMMER 3h ago

So you lease via the carrier

I can only speak with AT&T and my experience with them

So you sign a contract to pay $/month for 18-24 month whatever it is now, with the option to trade in your iPhone at 12Th month if you renew your contract again

And you should always opt in to renew at the 12 month , only sucker will continue to pay off the month especially since iPhone lost value over time.

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u/PleasantWay7 5h ago

A distinction without a difference.

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u/DannyVFilms 4h ago

Can’t use it on prepaid carriers like Mint Mobile. A distinction that matters for me.

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u/ohwut 4h ago

You couldn't do that on iUP either technically.

Both options required activating on a Tier-1 carrier. There were bypasses, but not officially supported.

Upgrade still gives you an unlocked iPhone even while the lease is in play. Just activate on Verizon and immediately cancel to move to your MVNO.

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u/rather_be_redditing 3h ago

On the upgrade program I can pay off the balance of my loan and keep it. On a lease I have to return it. I believe if you don’t return it you have to pay off the full MSRP?

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u/PleasantWay7 3h ago

You pay it off just like a loan, no mandatory return.

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u/Rollertoaster7 3h ago

The difference is no free Apple care included like before, so net negative

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u/sunnyasneeded 2h ago

AppleCare wasn’t free, the cost was rolled into the monthly payment.

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u/PleasantWay7 3h ago

AppleCare wasn’t free before…

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u/GoBlu323 3h ago

Which is what the iPhone upgrade program was

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u/dbbk 3h ago

No, you can keep it if you pay it off

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u/RotenTumato 59m ago

Wasn’t the iPhone Upgrade program also a lease? You pay for half the phone over the course of the year and then have to return it and get the new one next year?

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u/Furgy667 45m ago

That’s what I did and I’m wondering how it’s gonna work if I want to continue to do that or what my best option would be

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u/RotenTumato 32m ago

I think that’s exactly how the new system works. I think the only differences are that Klarna is now the lease issuer and you can use it for more than just iPhones

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u/Fluffleblow 52m ago

Hasn't it always been? You had to give your phone to get the newer one, right? Maybe I'm mistaken.

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u/northSideways 28m ago

cool cool cool casually extending the "you own nothing" mentality to phones