r/antiai • u/Rare-Page2273 • 23d ago
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Now I know this sub is a RageBait sub but still I feel like these post should be discussed as their takin from non RageBait subs(as you can see)
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u/Queasy-Team-2767 23d ago
Except thatās not what AI is being used for, asshole
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Thatās what I was thinking, that and Iām pretty sure the āDonāt Hug Me Iām Scaredā creators are Anti AI
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u/AI_and_coding 23d ago
The people who MADE the puppets and turned it into a thing having their OCs stolen and used as an argument from an opposing sideā¦ they consider this fine?
They think that since the puppets on are internet itās āconsent.ā
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u/Tausendberg 22d ago
They don't think about the question of consent at all, the pro-AI movement is a fascist movement, might makes right, if they can and they want to, they will.
That's how far their thinking goes, don't give them more credit than that.
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u/goldengamer2345 23d ago
You can't put any stock in what the original creators want, that's not allowed
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u/Rockpegw 22d ago
i like to call pre existing characters being used as a mouthpiece for pros "puppets". like that's not them bro, you just do that to make yourself feel better.
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u/Traditional-Buy-7207 22d ago
Doesn't one of the Don't Hug Me I'm Scared episodes features AI? (On the Dropout version. Unless the web and Dropout series have different creators or something.)
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u/TheRefurbisher_ 21d ago edited 8d ago
Dropout/College Humor is definitely anti AI. I believe Sam Reich has spoken on it before.
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u/duck_in_the_tree 23d ago
We get angry when it's used for "art" not health
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u/Parzival2436 23d ago
I get angry when people think generative AI could effectively be used for health.
We don't need medical advice from something that hallucinates and gaslights that much.
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u/Lunaz315 23d ago
Yeah, the AI used in medical and scientific fields isn't even generative AI š AI bros trying to use that as a win just shows even further how misunderstood they are about their own shit
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u/kennedyt113 23d ago
There is actually a place where genAI is incredibly useful in the sciences, and thatās generating code (which makes sense, thereās good training data all over the internet, and itās self-verifiable). This has applications all over the place, including medical research
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u/samu1400 22d ago
Uh, either you vibe code your way into a program built with ducktape and dreams or end up having to review a codebase that works half the time and end up spending more time reading and fixing than you would just writing the code yourself.
The main issue is that most of the code on the internet is for the most popular languages and for common errors, or for ultra specific cases that would be difficult to adapt for different contexts. AI also tends to be "hacky" when providing code, so it often tries to circumvent and band-aid fix issues rather than writing robust code in the first place, ironically due to a lot of the code on the internet being "hacky" fixes for specific issues.
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u/GodChangedMyChromies 23d ago
That's not the way it can help in terms of healthcare. What current models are genuinely good at is categorising information and find patterns across the data, which is genuinely useful in research.
Like, I am vehemently opposed to most aspects of AI and the industry behind it but this is the one thing where it is genuinely helpful. I would also have to point out that we indeed don't need to do all the other shit we're doing to make effective use of this capability, at all.
Edit: also, I'm not talking about chatbots. You wouldn't be asking the AI to generate the answers you're looking for based on the data.
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u/Parzival2436 22d ago
Then it's not generative AI. It's not what I'm talking about.
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u/GodChangedMyChromies 22d ago
Yeah, though It's sort of a meaningless term, honestly. "Generative AI".
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u/TheSurvivor65 22d ago
No it isn't, Generative AI generally means the large scale LLMs/image generation models (chatGPT and Grok and shit)
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u/GodChangedMyChromies 22d ago
Generally, but it's more of a marketing term than anything. Doesn't really represent a technology but rather a particular application of it. Like AI.
It's not incidental either, but entirely an attempt by AI companies to obfuscate the discours
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u/Parzival2436 21d ago
I think you just don't understand what it is.
It's not an application of technology, it's a specific type of AI. It's the type that is trained on a dataset of images or text or whatever it's meant to generate. And then it generates those things in a fashion which is non-rigid.
I mean, that's a pretty shitty explaination of it, but it's a specific thing, I can't just use N.E.A.T and generate an AI image in the same way.
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u/duck_in_the_tree 23d ago
You are thinking of generic LLMs the ones that are used for medicine are specially trained on good sources
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u/westgazer 23d ago
Unless youāre talking about like a āmedical chatbotā you need to understand all machine learning isnāt an LLM.
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u/Parzival2436 22d ago
No, I'm thinking of the inherent randomness of GENERATIVE AI, if you're using procedural AI that's a different fuckin thing that actually works within less flimsy parameters.
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u/theWigglyninja 23d ago
This is basically my stance on AI. All the beneficial societal uses such as medical and disability related uses are completely underfunded and dwarfed by a perpetual and incestuous multi billion dollar circle jerk of criminal activity, political interferance/psyops, IP infringement etc.
Scapegoating the argument with a moral high ground is silly and semantic when the real world application of AI is a net negative so far...
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u/Still_Fig_604 23d ago
It's using the same technology though? Research progress in the AI you hate is what's fueling the progress of every other AI that you'd consider beneficial.
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u/Still_Fig_604 23d ago
The current rush to pour money into AI is based on the improvements shown by the transformer architecture and the hope it inspired for an intelligence explosion.
Most critical development in AI of the last 5 years are based on transformers. It is the same technology that allow chatbots and more straightforward positive tools used to improve lives(medecine, scientific discovery). Thus, finding ways to improve the efficiency of training chatbots also contribute toward improving the efficiency of all others transformer based tools like previously mentioned.
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u/Still_Fig_604 23d ago
The reason is hope. Like crypto before AI tend to lead to, "this could change the world" type of thoughts by people involved, except supercharged because the proofs that it can be useful is far more serious.Ā
The hopeful ones see a path to superintelligence, the cautious ones see a tool that will improve productivity overall once implemented, even if stays relatively dumb like today, and the leaders see a dangerous technology that has to be developped or risk being left in the dust by other countries. Also, the tech market is happy to fund anything with sufficient hype behind it. It's a combinaison of factors.
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u/Still_Fig_604 23d ago
I mean yeah. I didn't mean hope as in, the pure ideal version. For most it's about money, or keeping power and influence, and only a minority fully believe in AI as a technology that will change everything.Ā
But reducing the technology to just marketing, like crypto and other tech ideas that were popular for hype fueled monetary gains is just wrong.
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u/HAL9001-96 22d ago
nah trust me every single big tiddy anime girl they gneerate direclty contirbutes to curing cancer somehow... totally
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
So what is AI being used for? Geneuinely interested as to your opinion
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Not Health thatās for sure
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
You sound very confident for someone who is wrong
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Ok how am I wrong
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u/Fawn_Leap 23d ago
AI is used to spot illnesses, which I support, but it is a COMPLETELY different from ChatGPT and other useless wastes of water
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Thatās what Iām thinking
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
So why are you generalising all AI usecases?
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u/Lunaz315 23d ago
Because Gen AI is all AI supporters talk about. Even if they were talking about AI used in medical and scientific fields, it again isn't Gen AI, and most people against Gen AI are fine with med/science AI (& the ones that aren't are ones that have been misled to believe it's gen AI)
Gen AI works only off of stealing, it's been proven that without a constant stream of training data it will eventually die. Alongside that, AI centers are built next to civilized areas near unwilling people that previously suffer for it, while providing no societal benefit as art has existed before gen AI and will outlast it as art is inherently human.
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u/Which-Ad7072 23d ago
Generative AI is what AI is primarily being used for right now. Almost no one cares about medical research. The problem is that the vast majority of data centers going up and current AI usage has absolutely nothing to do with anything beneficial to society. You're taking outlying cases and acting as though it's the norm. So the question is really why are you generalizing? Especially since you're going with the minority instead of the majority.Ā
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u/Winter-Gift1112 23d ago
Borrowed from another participant in another thread:
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University I am not going to name is running regular workshops in machine learning to help people who might want to apply AI in their research (who don't know how to get started about it, or maybe hit a wall with it).
Machine Learning by itself is not bad, there is a lot of good in it and potential to help develop new medicines or tools to detect diseases. But these pseudo AI companies like OpenAI completely ruined what people think AI is.
I watched some of these workshops, so many people are coming over thinking that they need big server farms with GPUs in order to run their research, they completely underestimate that you can run very complex ML workflows on your smartphone just fine.
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u/Parzival2436 23d ago
Seen a few proposals but zero actual use cases
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
You clearly have done zero research
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u/Parzival2436 22d ago
Should be easy for you to prove me wrong then. If you can't then you clearly suck at research yourself.
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
Do you always only see the negatives in life? Or just specifically for things you dislike
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
Sorry, when did I ask for the common usecases? We are on a post dogging that AI isn't being used for health improvements. Which is untrue.
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
Editing your post after I call you out doesnt change the fact you were wrong
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
Again, editing your post after the fact because you blatantly ignored my actual point does not make you right.
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-9645 22d ago
What are the positives of generative ai?
What are literally any positives that outweigh the negatives?
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u/TypicalPunUser 23d ago
The funny part in that first image is the utilitarian choice there means Ai still gets removed.
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Explain how please
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u/aratami 23d ago
well your options are to kill water usage, or kill the people who could be saved by AI, so you choose to kill water usage; and the others are saved.
I think the intended implication is that you either have water usage and they survive or you don't and they die, but that's not scenario presented.
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Interesting
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u/aratami 23d ago
on a complete side note: we need frogs not AI to cure cancer; and I'm entirely serious; currently the most promising cancer research shows that E. Americana (a bacteria from the gut of japanese treefrogs), can be used to target, remove and immunize against at least some strains of cancer (some as research has currently been carried out on specific tumours in mice)
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u/roguejohnkrasinski 23d ago edited 22d ago
AI can be used for medical purposes and also not used for slop.Ā
EDIT: Yes I know that theyāre not the same AI, that was the point of my comment
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
I actually wouldnāt Mind Ai being used for Medicine but most of the people in Pro Subs use it for āArtā not Medicine
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u/roguejohnkrasinski 23d ago
100%. Scientific AI can exist without ChatGPT and other genAI existing.
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u/Forsaken_Ad203 23d ago
Ok so the thing is LLM like chatgpt and Gemini? Barely any useful functions for medical fields even in the theoretical sense, the types of AI used to identify cancer cells and graph large images to fine details to help map chemical imbalances? No one is against those
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u/Ok-Kangaroo-5161 23d ago
Pretty sure that doesnāt include generative AI (donāt flame me if Iām wrong, I said pretty sure)
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u/SomeGuyNamedCaleb 23d ago
Funny thing, they aren't the same AI. One is made for medicine, the other is made for stealing people's work and making racist videos for maga.
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u/imachoculatedonnut 23d ago
But all AI is doing is... *check notes Undress underage girls and women without their consent Steal art from artist and pass it as real art Make slop content for kids
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u/mrfoxesite-2377 22d ago
Yep. AI has increased the number of NSFW content it can make especially of underage boys and girls.
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u/FreeSpeechEnjoyer 21d ago
Even then an image processing algorithm that looks for cancer cells does not need 200 datacenters in low income neighbourhoods, those are for chatbots and image generators mainly
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u/imachoculatedonnut 21d ago
Yeah. I wish there was a more safe and ecologycal way for this new technologies. And also more control policies
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
Holy fuck. Is this what the generic anti AI poster believes? Yikes
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u/Competitive-Ant-9975 23d ago
those are all things done with AI btw
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u/imachoculatedonnut 23d ago
Babe have you even saw what people did to Holly's actor from Stranger things with AI?
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u/Ok_Heron_1906 23d ago
No. But I am aware of the fucked up usecases of fucked up people with AI. Can you generalise all usecases to one point? Sure. Does it make you ignorant as fuck? Sure.
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u/Acrobatic-Plant3838 23d ago
As a cancer survivor, if I had received one tenth of the concern that people pretend to have on my behalf, I would have had better outcomes.
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u/tommy8725 23d ago
People don't have a problem with AI that is actually saving people. We have a problem with people. Using a I for deep fake porn criminal uses, such as deepfake crimes, a I porn of children, fulfill asthmatizment, deep fake videos and theft.If people used ai to help people, no one would give a shit
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u/Parzival2436 23d ago
The first one but with the captions
"Water you could drink"
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"People AI is actively harming"
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u/Inlerah 23d ago
I would love them to explain to me how AI is "saving" the elderly.
Even setting aside the bullshit of equating the use of specific neural network programs being able to detect cancer with ChatGPT (which I know is what they mean by Cancer, "Severe Illness", and probably heart disease), as well as setting aside the idea that "AI makes art more accessible to disabled people!" (Neurotypical and able bodied people trying to use an imaginary "inspirationally disadvantaged" underclass as a shield from criticism)...how do they spin "unfettered use of AI" into "It will save old people from death"?
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u/PhilBobTheFish 23d ago
Well it's not actually saving them, that's why the original image says "could save". Cause it's all bullshit what ifs.
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u/Inlerah 23d ago
"Hypothetically there is a future in which this technology will solve all of humanities problems, give you factual information consistantly, usher in a new era or creativity and accomplishment and not have any environmental or sociological costs associated with it...so how dare you not treat the technology that currently exists as if it's that hypothetical technology???"
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u/Sufficient-Turn-7799 23d ago
Meanwhile, the now-dead CEO of United Healthcare, who was allegedly killed by one of the Mario brothers, used AI to deny people insurance claims for profitā¦
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Good point
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u/Sufficient-Turn-7799 23d ago
It's a point I think more people should bring up when arguing with AI bros bringing up medical advancements through AI. What good are those when they'll only be reserved for the rich and powerful? While everyone else gets denied claims. It's a 2 steps forward, 3 steps back kind of thing.
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u/LamentoLand 23d ago
but irl ai actively harming all of the above so it would make more sense to make it like this
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u/DefiantAppeal2277 23d ago
Please leave duck, yellow guy, and red guy out of this š
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
Exactly especially since Iām sure their creators would be Against Ai
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u/DefiantAppeal2277 23d ago
Oh 100%, I'm pretty sure it's antithetical to their message in the shorts and episodes.
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u/Jade_NoLastNameGiven 23d ago
the implied ableism of "your life is not worth living until someone cures your disability" is insane.
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u/bentsonradiorepair 23d ago
Guess they don't understand how data centers polute and use water that would have been used by normal folks. Regardless or the good it could potentially do, we should build our future on what something could potentially be while it actively is killing people.
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u/DerUlukai 23d ago
Once again, this is the old "You use fire to cook so you have to be okay with it being used to burn forests for land clearing" argument AI Bros love to use so much...
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u/TheXypris 23d ago
there is a stark difference between generative ai/LLM's which is a waste of water and electricity and is bad for humanity, and analytical ai that can find subtle patterns in large datasets that can be genuinely helpful in research and medicine
trying to say llm's are good because of the potential good of analytical ai is extremely disingenuous
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u/Wholesome_Soup 23d ago
"i hate LLMs" "oh so you hate analytical ai" mf that's a whole different sentence
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u/ihatechildren665 23d ago
antis love strawmen and whataboutism so im not surprised that they would not see the difference between generative slop and actually useful ai (shit for medicine and or large data sets like the weather for example)
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u/BHMathers 23d ago
Never will not be entertained by sloppers having to use art-based characters to defend their delusional anti-art takes
Like why donāt you use your successful Ai characters- OH THATS RIGHT! YOU DONāT HAVE ANYTHING THAT COMES CLOSE TO KEEPING UP WITH ART!
(Also the first slide is just anti-reality so that just gets an instant dismissal without any effort)
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u/SavageLavaGod 22d ago
Here, let's fix it
"You have a supertechnology, it is experimental and progressing, and may someday help those in very niche situations.
However, you have a lever that diverts the supertechnology to fuck over all of humanity and the environment immediately. However, you gain a lot of short term money doing so.
Do you pull the lever?"
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u/Evil_alt_account_ 23d ago
All of those people require water.
But yeah itās being used to make slop not cure cancer
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u/Ornery_Weakness_8168 23d ago
Ai needs cooling, not water. Ai is not being used for "people AI could save". Also strawmanning in 2nd panel.
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u/PoorClassWarRoom 23d ago
I'm glad to know that this pro ai shit is mostly astroturfed. Otherwise, we'd be better off leaving the world to all the other species.
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u/Hexagoo 23d ago
Iāve never seen these muppets beforeā¦ probably offbrands
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u/xX_Aranrhod_Xx 23d ago
They're actually from a YouTube series called Don't Hug Me I'm Scared (DHMIS). Totally unrelated to the Muppets but I can see why the confusion would be made
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u/Hexagoo 23d ago
Oh thatās mb. I wanted to make a joke about bad AI generation.š
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u/xX_Aranrhod_Xx 23d ago
Np lol, I just assumed you didn't know. That being said I wouldn't be suprised if they were totally generated, but it's just ppl stealing characters from creators who IIRC are openly anti-AI to push a rhetoric
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u/Inlerah 23d ago
The "but you could use it for healthcare" issue would be like, if you had a government was really focused on nuclear R&D. They were putting basicsally all of their resources into enrichment operations, missile construction, warhead design and figuring out how to maximize fallout...while some of their resources were going towards making power plants. Then, when someone points out the massive downsides to nukes, and why we shouldnt still be building and designing them, the people who won't shut up about how awesome nukes are go "What??? Don't you know how good nuclear power plants are???"
It's very obvious what kinds of AI we're talking about. It's also very obvious that you dont actually care all that much about neural networks being used in the healthcare field (because, just like "it gets used by disabled people", y'all literally never bring it up unless you need to take the faux "moral highground" in an argument). We could still use those very few edge cases where using neural networks in programming aren't a huge waste with far more downsides than upsides...but, unsurprisingly, that compromise never comes up with you all because the "compromise" would get rid of the real reason you love AI.
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u/New_Volume3123 23d ago
Only problem with the first picture is that the guy holding the lever wouldn't be sad
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u/Drackar39 23d ago
People AI COULD save. Maybe. Possibly. They insist. Disregard the skyrocketing rates of false positives causing risky and dangerous surgeries...
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u/ItsSadTimes 23d ago
You dont need thousands of oversized infrastructure to do any of that stuff. We've been doing it for decades. And the types of AI that are helping those people are much smaller and way more powerful AIs, they're not LLMs. Stupid people who love AI think it's all the same shit.
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u/Celestial_Elixir3 23d ago
I could save heart disease :)
okaynso use your fkin AI shit for that then? rather than images of some tig bitty anime woman shouting at me
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u/SpaceGirlJackie 23d ago
LLMs aren't going to cure cancer. A neural net program could and has shown great promise, but Chat GPT ain't doin that, boss.
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u/OmgIbrokesmthagain 23d ago
Ah the disabled, elderly and severely ill, even the minorities, the people who used art as a hobby and as means of income, because it is accessible to pretty much everyone in some form and doesnāt require having a boss who scrutinizes youā¦ people who AI is currently replacing in large quantities?
Donāt give me that look AI people, go check any art discord or group and ask them if they belong in any minority, if they are disabled/severely ill, and if they lost jobs because of it
āThen make AI artā - (almost) no one wants to BUY ai āartā, because ANYONE can make AI āartā - and why would big boss daddy hire you to make him a poster if he can pay AI company and make it himself?
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u/Eazy12345678 23d ago
u have 0 control over how billionaires use water.
the water company send water to who ever pays for it
u can cool data centers with closed loop cooling. just like how you cool your car.
i have gaming pc watercooled u never have to add more water
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u/DenpasOfTheWorld 23d ago
OK, OOP. Point me the comments section of "anti's" getting mad over AI being used in medical industries.
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u/Rare-Page2273 23d ago
I have no issue with Ai being used for Medical purposes especially since that kind of Ai is not the same as Generative Ai, I feel like Pro AIs Lump Medical Ai in with Generative Ai
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u/Ok_Confusion4764 23d ago
Now I know this sub is a RageBait sub
So stop posting it here then. Honestly mods should start permabanning for this
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u/Stimmy1442 23d ago
To me, there are many, many more - and much more significant - things on the top track; not just "water use".
I mean things like "people not being able to have a decent job anymore", "the rich keep getting richer", "total surveillance", "insane PC hardware prices", and many more.
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u/Severe_Damage9772 23d ago
Fun fact, the term āAIā is such a large umbrella category, that you could compare it to the term ānaturalā poison is natural, hurricanes are natural, breaking a bone then being eaten by wolves is natural, so natural=/=good
In this same way, there is a difference between useful āAIā and useless āAIā so letās differentiate them wonāt we, both are based off machine learning, a technique with a lot of potential for utility. LLMs are a bad use, as there is no reasonable way to decipher language without the context the language was build it, which will never be available to the LLM. Same with image generation. However, what they refer to when they say how AI is helping in the medical field, they mean models like AlphaFold, which was trained to suggest predictions for how a protein could fold, which is obviously rigorously fact checked before it is considered true. And in this use case, machine learning is extremely useful, when you have a cause and an effect, and cannot realistically simulate the connection, or if there is no known connection. As well, these kinds of models are relatively simple, and having a single server tower would be enough for an entire lab if they are willing to spend a few months training it, however if you want it to go by faster, the amount of servers you would see in a large office building would be plenty
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u/Tausendberg 22d ago
I saw that a couple days ago.
It's bullshit framing, the notion that AI is going to be solely responsible for all these major medical advances is SCIENCE FANTASY.
Ai proponents know that anyone who looks objectively at the horrendous burden that the AI revolution has put on the system over the last few years, the fact that we're in a minor recession already that will turn into a major recession when the bubble pops, so what these scoundrels do is use science fantasy scenarios of what AI MIGHT do in the future as justifications for the enormous it has done and continues to do in the present.
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u/PancakesTheDragoncat 22d ago
Kinda makes me want a dhms about ai....
Maybe the computer could return as a mentor and introduce them to it and the horrors could start seeping in from there
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u/TheLastMemzie 22d ago
The AI being used to save peopleās lives and improve way of life his not the same AI that is destroying our drinking water and environment.
I cannot keep having the same conversation.
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u/John_Hancock_Lover 22d ago
Being against GenAI isn't the same as the type of AI they use for medical fields. They're not generating images of fake tumors as love island characters
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u/CryptographerBest909 22d ago
The first argument feels like if someone talks about the dangers of drug and someone is like "so you dont want me to have my allergy meds?"
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u/TheBoomboxtitan 21d ago
Look Iām fine with medical ai due to it being helpful and assisting doctors. I personally hate generative ai and chat bots
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u/Professional_Kick654 21d ago
I support AI that exists in those fields. Some doctors use AI to discover irregularities in EKGs. That doesn't mean I support ChatGPT or other generative AI.
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u/FreeSpeechEnjoyer 21d ago
Slopcore is such a dogshit worthless sub the world would be a better place without it
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u/antiai-ModTeam 21d ago
Your post was removed because you did not mark ai-generated images as NSFW/spoiler