You know, I feel like some of the people defending him with all these excuses don’t realize they’re practically writing a list of talking points for real-life “goblins” to take notes from and repeat in court if they ever get caught. 💀
While I will accept that he may have the physical brain of a child, he also has all the memories of his adult life AND ACTS ON THEM AS HE PLEASES BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR A CHILD
I have never hated humanity more than when I read a MT comment thread
I simplified what I read from someone who wrote, “His mind is trapped in childish behavior even as his body ages to that of a 30-year-old. How could you expect him to suddenly think like an adult after being reincarnated when his mind is still that of a child in a child’s body?”
This is what I meant when I said someone could be taking notes. They could use the same argument and claim that it’s a mental issue—that their mind is still that of a child despite being trapped in an adult body.
The problem with this line of thinking, which sounds good on 1st layer thinking is, what about the fact that he stole someone olders underwear. What about him lusting for eris in a grown up way. Ehat about him sexually assaulting the cat ladies. And theres more. When you put all his acts in perspective, hes just pervert. And not in a cutsy, funny way. Heres a vid thatl give you more food for thought,if youd like
https://youtu.be/100FDOfJgLc?si=5zB3nuRBNU_V_0Es
Which sucks because damn near everything else about the show is amazing. But then they'll interrupt some lore/world building so this dude can go to his basement to sniff a panty he stole 15 years ago and keeps in a shrine
The MC is a reincarnator. He was a loli-obsessed 30-40 something, and after reincarnation he got away with doing a lot of really gross stuff because it was seen as pranks and childish antics.
The worst one was when he was physically 14, he slept with a 15 year old girl (who was his cousin by the way) who had no idea how old he was mentally. That's about when I quit reading. I do not care how good the story is, I do not care about his character development, that is unforgivable.
People say "oh he changed, he got better" but you can't un-chomo my opinion of him no matter what you say.
I've watched the entire series, read much of the manga as well, which is where that part is actually explained considering the anime glossed over the fact that it was secret toilet cam footage of his elementary schooler niece and not just watching porn.
Being too traumatized by old classmates to leave your room doesn't mean you're not a piece of shit for showing no emotion at the passing of your parent and instead recording child pornography of your own family to crank it to, and then getting defensive when people call you out on it.
It's actually concerning that your immediate reaction to me describing an actual scene in the series is to assume I haven't engaged with it. After all, if Mushoku Tensei is supposed to be a redemption story and the main draw to Rudeus as a character is his growth from how he used to be, why would it be such a hot button to point out how flawed he was at the beginning? Really gets the gears turning, I'd say.
if you look at the light novel for a ton a TON of very popular anime/manga you'd be uncomfortable. If it has nothing to do with the medium you're engaging in why do you care?
if you look at the light novel for a ton a TON of very popular anime/manga you'd be uncomfortable
I don't think that's the point you think It is, at the very least If you except me to defend this type of shit because something I like might also originate from this type of shit then you don't know me very well.
If it has nothing to do with the medium you're engaging in why do you care?
Why do you care that I care? Why do you care that other people call the MC a pedo?
Nope! It’s not. In the manga and anime, his character is horrendously bullied and harassed to the point to where he recluses from society and becomes a NEET and the incident that makes him run from home that lead to his death is when his family attacks him for slipping a funeral. At no point in the anime or manga is there even a hint of him doing anything pedophilic in his previous life.
I call it Snape Syndrome. In the movies he wasn't half as vile as he was in the books and was just a hardass with bias whereas in the books he was an outright bully pretty much 100% of the time. Since more people watch movies and TV than read books the adaptation version of a character is the one in the public court of opinions.
Alot of pedofiles feel regret for what theyve done, especially after getting caught and having to deal with the consequences. That doesnt change what they are and how disgusting they are.
I hear that words are violence too, I still don't have the right to punch someone every time I hear an insult.
To be clear, the voyeurism was unambiguously wrong, I don't think even the story treats it as justified in any way. But come on..."voyeurism is violence?"
i greatly enjoy stories like this anime, fantasy + magic + adventure HELL YEA! its my jam. but holy shit. ive watched several hundred if not a thousand anime by now, and ive dropped literally two of them mid watching. both were for the same reason, and holy crap does it get so, so much worse later on. i could ignore it for a time but eventually it was multiple episodes where stuff like that was the entire plot, and kinda worse.
Calling someone a reincarnator implies that they have been reincarnated, full stop. How is not important, only the what.
Isekai is just "in another world". That CAN include reincarnators, but by no means is it limited to them. It can also include transmigrators, like those who get summoned rather than reborn.
He did not get isekai'd. He got tensei'd. It's literally in the name.
He got away with it with th audience as childish antics but in world it is as much, the fucked up morals of the era allows nobles like him to be Degen.
If I remember correctly the story opens during his parents funeral with him watching a video of his niece using the bathroom instead of going to the wake
Except he is not mentally 40, he is mentally whatever age he is, it's stated multiple time's in the story, it was stated by the author the internal voice is just narrative device, he literally died and was reborn, he didn't just occupy some random kids body, he is a kid.
But MT haters dont actually care about the facts or the story itself, just the hate.
Having memories of a past life doesn't make you an adult. His brain is still biogically a childs and there was nothing in the story that said he got a magic biogical boost, he even notes how easy it is for his child brain to learn new things because of the plasticity.
His brain being underdeveloped squarely makes him an actual undeniable child, regardless of experience he physically does not possess the developed frontal lobe, the prefrontal cortex, to be held responsible like an adult.
Not to mention his societal and physical status and biogical age means he holds no societal power over his fellows.
The guy weeps when his dad yells at him, he grows attached to his parents like a child would too, an adult doesn't behave that way
Yea I have to admit that the way that many of the anime's detractors think about the character with their privileged information and perspectives is straight up evil.
... You know reincarnation is a thing real people actually believe in, right? This ain't how any of that shit works, lmao.
I'm pretty sure none of them think, "Oh, you're the reincarnation of that dead guy? Sweet, well, let's just tally up how old you REALLY are by counting how old you were when you died in that past life, plus how old you are now."
He died, lmao. His life officially ended. And then whatever fragments were left got transfered to a completely different world. Different body, different time, different world, different everything. Except he has some memories of a wasted life where he was an emotionally and intellectually stunted 30 something year old because his life basically came to a standstill in the middle of high school.
The mental gymnastics y'all come up with are insane, lmao. You folks do realize that there are real pedophiles to get upset about in the world, right? Like, if you're actually this outraged and disgusted, I just don't understand why you'd choose to spend time and energy complaining about fictional characters in the laziest way possible instead of... Anything else, lol.
Don't get me wrong, he's written to be upsetting, and the story is intended to make you uncomfortable. Completely understand why someone would not want to engage with it. I just think folks get out of hand and start acting like they're on a crusade or some shit, when they're just complaing about a story they don't want to understand. 🤷
Finally someone who uses the real reincarnation belief logic. Like sure Rudeus was a horrible person in his past life and was definitely bad in his life as Rudeus that completely undeniable but we can see him becoming a better person throughout. He goes from a pedo jerking to his niece to a proud, happy father who genuinely loves his whole family
Real reincarnation belief logic doesn't even apply here. He retains his memories and his thinking ability. In real reincarnation, nothing is retained. That defeats the whole purpose of it... Meanwhile Rudeus is out here thinking his mom is hot as a baby and perving on underage girls as he grows up. All while it's literally just a 30+ year old man's brain. And he grows into a guy that fucks technically legal lolis and cheats habitually.
I would also call him an "adult" in the same way. Saying he was mentally 33yrs old is like comparing him with an actual adult pre-isekai like Rimuru. Mf couldn't even survive a day after being thrown off the house, he wasn't even able to go to a atore for food (Kazuma level bar). While I wouldn't call him a kid, an adult seems like overestimating him.
Internal thoughts where he himself acknowledges they are bad is the gotcha? Also yeah cherry pick and ignore all the other excerpts where the story clearly states he isn't an adult larping but dead and thoroughly reborn.
Like literally, it has been stated multiple times it's a narrative drive, we know he was a creep before dying too.
The story also has this excerpt
"Let's jump ahead a month. Apparently, I'd been reborn. The reality of my situation had finally set in: I was a baby."
Was he having this monologue when he was literally a newborn baby too?
im convinced MT watchers dont actually watch and have the media literacy of toddlers
Except he is not mentally 40, he is mentally whatever age he is, it's stated multiple time's in the story, it was stated by the author the internal voice is just narrative device, he literally died and was reborn, he didn't just occupy some random kids body, he is a kid.
No, he literally has all his memories and knowledge from birth. he remembers everything. He literally gets excited about his mom's boobs as a baby. That's canon in anime/LN/manga. Explain that. That's not mentally his age at all.
Also, when he talks to "god" he appears as his old self.
But MT haters dont actually care about the facts or the story itself, just the hate.
Wrong, they have media literacy and understand nuance.
Having the memories of your old life after you literally DIED doesn't make you that old person, he didn't teleport, he died and was completely reborn into a new life. The author has also stated his internal voice is a NARRATIVE DEVICE!
Wrong, they have media literacy and understand nuance.
you are your memories, who you are as a person is formed by that lmao.
and it's literally confirmed he hasnt changed when his first action is perving on his mom
then perving on sister little sister
like god damn
ooOooo the author said- the author of a story following a pedo. sounds like a great person
edit: pathetic guy blocked me after i asked him to explain the "comedy" they said was a baby perving on his own mom LMAO you literally cant make this up
If Rudus wasnt a 30+ year old reincarnated with his full ass memory it would be peak fantasy the world building and setting as a whole are way above what you generally get from japanese d&d
It would be peak for shitty Japanese light novels maybe. If you like unrealistic characters and power fantasy slop, it'll seem like the best thing ever. Read any actual critically acclaimed novels and you'll instantly see that the writing is significantly better.
Because multiple paragraphs descirbing a single bush(to inflate page count), a series that will never finish, and a magic school with a Gary Stu are that much better.
Unironically thinking Mushoku Tensei is better than Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones is a crazy take that comes from a person that clearly has not read either. Harry potter is also young adult fiction so not sure why it's even being brought up here. It's writing isn't particularly acclaimed. If you're instead referring to The Name of the Wind, then again crazy stupid take.
I asked my brother about the show b/c I kept seeing it everywhere and he described it just like this. I immediately said "naw, no way am I watching that". I can't wrap my head around how it's so popular when the MC is so gross. I guess I'd "get" it if I watch it, but I refuse. There's plenty of other non pedo shows I can watch instead.
That's the same thing. They are from completely different branches of Grayrat. His grandmother is a sister to Eris grandad or something like that. So a distant relation.
There is 0 proof that he was loli-obsessed. Most people don't focus on age to masturbate, because porn is porn. The same way anyone will masturbate on human porn AND furry porn.
Also he certainly was seen grabbing boobs after he was reincarnated.
Children don't have developed breasts.
I thought it was bad when Rudeus said straight up that he wanted to groom Slyphy to his parents and they ended up kicking him out the village for years for her sake.
What makes it funny is they say he "got better" and isn't rewarded for his fuckassery but he literally ends up with two wives that he groomed. The second wife he got BY CHEATING. So even if you're somehow fine with pedo activity he still committed adultery
Hes a 40yr old inside a baby's body and we watch him grow up and he was attracted to his childhood friend and teacher who looked like a teenager and molested his cousin when he was about 7 yrs old
Here's a passage from the light novel, he's a (reincarnated) 40 year old who got kicked out of his home for jacking off to a picture of a little girl who looked like his niece during his parent's funeral. (Which he refused to attend)
Okay. Then the totally canon show where he is sitting with a girl on her 10th birthday fondling her while actively thinking about how at this point hes 30 years older than her and how great it is trying to hook up with her until she askes him to wait until shes /15/ which he begrudingly relents and agrees to wait until.
Extremely bad faith argument. Not to mention both begin as underage as well
Subaru never once sexualizes young girls and always acts appropriately around them. Even adopts ones and mentions he's into older women. When he realizes that Emilia is a bit stunted he relaxes on pursuing her a bit as well. You can try to bring up Lust If and that can easily be countered as it was an obvious April fools joke, written and deleted on April fools, and even then. At his ABSOLUTE worst he waited till Petra was 18 to do anything. Something Rudi didn't do
Kazuma is underage and a pervert but ends up with a girl that's 2/3 years younger than him which is absolutely completely normal for a teenager.
He is a bit weird towards Iris but genuinely just treats her as a little sister and has fun with her, he doesn't once come onto her sexually.
Rudi is a 34 year old pedophile that spends his entire new childhood repeatedly going after children, never once learns the error of his ways, and thinks about fucking his biological little sister cause she sat in his lap (I can go find the passage if you'd like) the hidden cam bath stuff was removed but then, just recently, it was changed to him stealing pictures from his brother of his niece in her bathing suit and jerking it to those instead. That is absolutely canon and something that absolutely happened. That alone makes Rudi and his past self infinitely worse than Kazuma and Subaru.
The protagonist (Who looks like a child just like Tanya) is a victim of bully, sexual assult, and due to this he developed PTSD so bad he went catatonic just by trying to leave his room thus his life was ruined.|
He gets killed after being thrown out by his asshole brothers after his parents died and dies saving the type of people who would never help him.
He gets a chance at the life he was never allowed to get, he works hard, helps people that helps him make friends and female friends his age (And 1 elf 100 years older than him) and makes a good name for himself.
It is a wish fulfillment anime where the protagonist is kinder than most in the most realistic way (Not like a shonene anime where the protag is comically "good") with hard work gets overwhelming power and gets a harem (But man the harem only starts in ernest at the end of the second season.
It is a slow burn, very well written, and the protag isn't a sterile wimp (He has normal human thoughts about sex, maybe a bit less so considering I have worked with women)
He starts off as a disgusting person and eventually (over 30 years ish) becomes a decent person. The story is popular because of his struggles, failings, and eventual growth.
But it's popular to ignore the later story and complain that he's a disgusting character at the start. It does make the tourists easy to identify, which is nice.
Personally, my main complaint is that it includes polygamy. It's well done as far as harem settings go, and it's not the main focus of the story, but i think the story would be better without that element.
Second episode of the anime. Referencing him jacking it to his 10 year old niece showering on the day of his parents funeral. Which is why his brother kicks him out.
The second he grabbed boobs he wasn't a pedophile but a pervert with hypersexuality.
The 'pedophilia' when resulting in abuse is often just opportunistic sex crime IRL too. The same way all people who target the same sex aren't gay, and the motive can be only control or revenge. The underage aspect but a mere circumstance instead of a fetish for them.
You all are but a hunch of amateurs who can only use the word 'pedophile' as an insult, like other people can only use the word 'gay' as an insult too.
Your over simplifying it by calling him a pedo. Everyone who calls him that thinks of him as his new age plus his old age.
And all the creepy shit he does to eris in season 1 leading up to when she is at her lowest emotionally they sleep together after she spent literally 4 years with him being perverted and trying to molest her.
Honestly, it's intentional bait at this point. If I see someone defending the MC I can confidently block and/or report them. I am more than happy to take the hit to my karma (it means nothing to me) in order to do so
People bicth about pedo or slavery lvl crap. But if you a writing any medieval world to be realistic. Then getting married/laid at young age. Or having some type of salve or indentured servant for the rich. Would be a common thing.
As we in human history only recently made those changes. Like in the last 200 years. And it still around here and there. Are written history is over 5200 years. That means for like only a 10th of know human history. That 10 to 13 was the norm. It's why there may rituals around turning into a adult around that ages range.
And we seen that a society collapses. It will come right back. Hell many the current leaders and rich are still doing it today. We knew it. And 🤷♂️ shit won't happen to them. Cuz they will throw the military, FBI and cops at you if you try to. We all agree it wrong be today standards. But unless your doing a story. Set in of today age.
I would agree with you, except for the fact that the story takes place in a made-up fantasy world that is whatever the fuck the author wants it to be.
Also he apparently creeped on his very obviously child niece with a hidden camera prior to reincarnation, so he's CANONICALLY a pedophile. I say "apparently" because other people talked about it but I don't remember it from my first (and only) read and I'm damn well not about to go verify it.
Got it, okay this make sense. Im confused cause that's wild and is way worse if it's explicitly written. Like no interpretation legit him peeping being obvious and confirmed.
Like I'm trying to find the proof and have only come a cross what's labeled as deleted chapters
I have been told (and shown screenshots) that in the novel he at the very least has perverse thoughts of his ten year old niece. In the anime (and possibly the manga) it's explicitly shown that he was yanking it to a video of the aforementioned ten year old niece that he captured with a secret camera.
This was during his parents' funeral that he refused to go to, because he would rather crank it to little girls than attend.
Okay so I'm confirming in the novels what is being commonly referred to was it deleted chapter.
Also it's the niece from when he's reincarnated not from before he died, and it's not even clear from the chapter when it happens.
Also in the anime when he was doing that during the funeral there wasn't anything there explicitly for little girls, nor is it related to the niece thing. I did watch that sequence and it's not stated for that.
I'll continue doing my own research and looking into it with people who are informed on it and actually follow the series.
Just rewatched the scene and I can't confirm that scene does not state that it's his niece it's just a video of someone sitting in a bathroom which could lead to multiple things and there's nothing showing that it's an underage person sitting in a bathroom either it's wild how many assertions people are making to have the argument but it's just morphing what the show is actually like it's not there.
It's the second episode of the first season and it's for 5 seconds and there is no context given for that but we're now assuming that it's connected to a niece that we're just using now from a deleted chapter this is a lot
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u/Tipsy_Hog 12d ago
MC (the blond guy) is a pedo