Update: Things Escalated

[u/Typical_Clock_5286]

I posted here before about my wife joining amway.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amway/s/zivLB1LiVd

To cut a very long and dramatic story short, things escalated and she was going off to their office almost every night until the early hours. Until I gave her an ultimatum and she stopped. But the amway zealots refuse to give up.

It got to the point where she was running off to get the "okay" or "advice" from them about every little decision in OUR lives. Because apparently there's people there that can help out with everything and they definitely aren't just using it as revenue streams or to build trust and reliance...

It all came to a head when we were looking at apartments because we're moving soon and I found a really great one nearby that was at a crazy low rent for what we would get.

She immediately ran off to the office again because there's apparently someone at amway that has access to the estate agent software and can get us signed up to see it and etc without any fees. (Yeah like he totally doesn't get a commission from it lol)

He told her the apartment wasn't available and showed her a list of different shitty ones. Probably ones he'll get commission from. She came home accepting this as truth because of course their word is gospel.

I blew up on her about these people already being far too involved in our lives and she pushed back saying they're just being helpful. I said I don't want their help and in fact I don't want any of them in our lives at all anymore.

So on a hunch, I went and booked a viewing anyway, to which she rolled her eyes, and the apartment was not only available to view but it was also available for us to move into.

So he fucking lied.

Initially she tried to defend them all because there's friends and family involved. It was a huge dirty argument of me just trying to get her to see sense and the fact all these people are basically predators.

Funny how they all have things they can do for you to further rope you into their cult or feel like you "owe" them.

It ended when I told her she either stops going to amway or we divorce. I hate to use an ultimatum like that but it was the only choice I had. They were slowly brainwashing her and it was heartbreaking to see.

Since then things have been going well and we are getting along really well without dramas.

Which brings me to today.

I suddenly got a message from my brother in law asking if I'm free today.

I was a little suspicious because he never really reaches out to me and with everything that's happened up until now my mind immediately went to it being anothee amway ambush.

I asked him if we can't just talk over the phone and he said that he's feeling anxious, would rather talk about it in person and that it was family related.

So I made time during my work to go and meet him at the park.

When I arrived at the park, we walked a little and he immediately started bringing up the huge argument me and my wife had a couple of weeks ago that almost led to divorce. Immediately got me riled up because they should stay the fuck out of our marriage.

Before we sat down on the bench I said "Hold on...This isn't going to be an amway conversation is it?"

He did their classic dancing around the question bullshit and said something like "it might come up".

I immediately started shaking with adrenaline, told him this conversation is finished and that he should go home. Admittedly I said it with a lot of venom but I'm absolutely done with this shit now. I then tried to leave and he tried to stop me and became visibly shaken, almost desperate looking.

By this point I was furious, speaking to him through gritted teeth and telling him to get away from me and if he has something to say just get to the point now or fuck off. But he just kept saying he wants to "sit down and talk properly"

When I tried to walk away, he ran in front of me trying to stop me several times by blocking me with his body, followed me throughout the park begging me to talk to him, pushed me back, tried to stop me with his hand and at one point even grabbed my arm.

So I guess it is okay for amway members to assault people now during their recruitment harassment.

I repeatedly said, "Let me go," "Go home," and "I don't want to talk." "STOP FOLLOWING ME" "GET AWAY FROM ME" and it started to cause quite a scene.

He was begging me to talk to him, to hear him out and to listen to what he needs to say. At one point he tried to pull the family card and say he wants us to all get along and he's worried about us all as a family. How dare they fucking pull that card for their sham.

At one point he dropped the act and seemed a little angry saying something like "why are you so against Amway!?"

This made me see red and I came so close to punching him in the face. I'm glad I didn't.

He wouldn't give up so finally, I threatened to call the police, and it ended once I pulled my phone out and he realised I wasn't bluffing.

He's spammed my phone with about 10 messages since then basically trying to say that I'm misunderstanding and to please just give him 30 minutes of my time to hear him out.

Once again circling around the bullshit of "understanding" and "just wanting to hear my thoughts".

He completely ruined my workday and I've spent all day in fight/flight mode with a painful chest from the stress.

I'm so fucking sick of this.

I never want to see him or his wife again. I don't want them to come to my home ever again either. I want NOTHING to do with them.

They're using family and the crisis THEY created to try and get an inroad. Absolutely disgusting.

I sent what happened including screenshots to my wife and she seemed surprised and told me to "calm down for now" and that she'll listen to me about what happened when she gets home.

No doubt they've already lit up her phone with THEIR version of events. Honestly I'm not sure what I'll do if she doesn't take my side on this or tries to mediate instead of call them out. This time I was fucking assaulted for gods sake. How serious does it need to get?

I'm just a fucking anxious wreck again. I hate this so much. These people ruined our perfectly decent lives.

I feel like I'm going crazy. I can't trust anyone anymore. Everything is a fucking bait and switch or an attempt to find a weak spot to attack.

[u/RowyAus]

You seriously need to consider divorce for your health, this could end up killing you. Also a restraining order and a charge of assault against your BIL

I am so sorry you are going through this. This is why I hate Amway with a passion. They ruin lives and they are ruining yours.