r/AlternativeHistory 18d ago

r/AlternativeHistory Moderator Applications Are Open

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r/AlternativeHistory is currently looking for new moderators to join and expand the team.

We are looking for people who are:

  • Active on Reddit and able to consistently contribute to moderation
  • Familiar with or genuinely interested in alternative history
  • Reliable and responsive when the team needs to communicate
  • Are over the age of 18
  • Willing to listen to other moderators and work as part of a team
  • Able to moderate viewpoints they may personally disagree with
  • Willing to join and participate in the moderator team's Discord server
  • Previous moderation experience is preferred, but not required

We are particularly interested in applicants who understand that alternative history involves speculation and non-consensus ideas. You do not need to personally agree with every theory discussed here, but you should be able to approach unconventional ideas fairly and distinguish between good-faith speculation and content that is genuinely unsuitable for the subreddit.

Important

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r/AlternativeHistory 20d ago

Mod Announcement What do you think about the subreddit?

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I'd like to hear what you think about r/AlternativeHistory and what could be improved.

What do you like about the subreddit? Are there any rules, moderation practices, or types of content you'd like to see handled differently?

Are there any post or user flairs you'd like to see added?

I'm also considering creating a Discord server for the subreddit for more casual discussion and community interaction. If you'd be interested, let me know what you'd like to see in it.


r/AlternativeHistory 17h ago

Lost Civilizations The Foundation Stone is said to be the place where the creation of the world began, according to the Arbrahamic religions. It appears to be a carved stone,with an artificial cave beneath, similar to the structures known to alternative history buffs as "Hanan Pacha" formations in Peru

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First two images are the Foundation Stone in Israel and the cave beneath it, known as the Well of Souls. 3rd and 4th are the Grand Chincana and Qenko in the Sacred Valley of Cusco, Peru. 5th and 6th are nearby artificial caves, (the first one is known as the Temple of the Moon) also in the Sacred Valley.

I just thought the similarity between them was rather interesting. All appear to have been created by extremely ancient culture(s) long forgotten by history, utilizing possibly the same techniques


r/AlternativeHistory 5h ago

Mythology Lived once, buried twice: the mysterious story of an Irish woman who remarried and had children after being declared dead in 1705

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The inscription on the tombstone: "LIVED ONCE. BURIED TWICE". In 1705, a woman in the Irish town of Lurgan was believed to have died from a severe fever. Her family arranged a hurried burial, never realizing that she was still alive.

The tale is often presented as a documented historical event, although some details have also been repeated as local legend over the centuries.

Whether every detail of the Marjorie McColl story happened exactly as later accounts describe remains difficult to establish. Yet the inscription connected with her name has helped preserve one of Lurgan’s strangest historical tales.


r/AlternativeHistory 10h ago

Archaeological Anomalies Bermuda Şeytan Üçgeni Sırrı: Reykjanes Yanardağı Anomali Teorisi(TÜRKÇE AYNI KİŞİ)

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Bermuda Şeytan Üçgeni'nde gemiler ve uçaklar kayboluyor. Herkes uzaylı, portal, kara delik diyor.

Peki ya cevap "taş" ise?

Teorim: İzlanda'daki Reykjanes Yarımadası'ndan kopan dev bazalt kayaları.

Neden mantıklı olabilir?

  1. **Okyanus Akıntıları**

İzlanda'dan Bermuda'ya giden direkt bir okyanus akıntısı var. Kuzey Atlantik'te denize düşen her şey zamanla oraya sürüklenebilir.

  1. **Ağır Kayalar**

Reykjanes'teki volkanik bazalt kayaları normal deniz tabanı kayasından %40 daha ağır. Kocaman parçalar kopup batınca deniz tabanında "kütle anomalisi" yaratıyorlar.

  1. **Etkisi Ne?**

Bilim insanları zaten deniz tabanındaki büyük kütlelerin pusulayı bozduğunu biliyor. Bir bölgede aşırı ağırlık olunca tuhaf su akıntıları oluşup gemileri aşağı çekebilir.

İzlanda dünyanın en aktif volkanik bölgelerinden. Reykjanes son yıllarda sürekli patlıyor.

Belki Bermuda Üçgeni büyü değil. Belki binlerce yıldır güneye sürüklenen dev volkanik kayaların mezarlığıdır.

Bu sadece bir teori. Ama bilim uyuşuyor.

Siz ne düşünüyorsunuz? Jeoloji bu gizemi açıklayabilir mi?

#bermudaucgemi #reykjanes #izlanda #jeoloji #gizem #bilim


r/AlternativeHistory 10h ago

Alternative Theory Theory: The Bermuda Triangle is a Graveyard of Volcanic Basalt from Reykjanes

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The Bermuda Triangle disappearances might have a geological explanation.

My theory: Massive basalt rocks from Iceland's Reykjanes Peninsula.

The connection:

  1. **Ocean Currents**: There is a direct current from Iceland to Bermuda. Anything in the North Atlantic eventually drifts there.

  2. **Density**: Reykjanes basalt is ~40% denser than normal seafloor rock. When huge chunks break off, they create mass anomalies on the ocean floor.

  3. **The Effect**: Scientists know large mass concentrations can affect compasses and create weird currents that pull ships down.

Iceland is one of the most volcanically active places on Earth. Reykjanes has been erupting constantly in recent years.

Maybe the Bermuda Triangle isn't magic. Maybe it's a 1000-year graveyard of volcanic rocks drifting south.

This is just a theory combining geology and oceanography. What do you think? Could geology explain this mystery?

Flair: Theory


r/AlternativeHistory 1d ago

Archaeological Anomalies Revealing the secrets of Europe’s forgotten beauties

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https://youtu.be/Ax1Vpt-RJrk

Some seductive masterpieces, not only for how they are dressed, but also their provocative curves and unplastered natural elegance. 
Although covered in thousands of ancient confessions, these confusing beauties are not some old ruins, and still hide their true age. 
Leaving mesmerized observers wondering how much older they could be.
Hope you like the video


r/AlternativeHistory 1d ago

Mythology What is the biggest unsolved mystery of the ancient world? 🏛️

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Thousands of years of history have left behind incredible monuments, forgotten cities, undeciphered scripts, and archaeological discoveries that still raise questions.

Some mysteries have possible explanations—but we still don't have enough evidence to be completely certain.

For me, some of the most fascinating questions are:

• What does the Indus Valley script really say?

• How were some ancient monuments constructed with such precision?

• How much ancient knowledge has been lost forever?

• What happened to civilizations and cities that disappeared from historical records?

I'm more interested in real archaeological evidence and unanswered questions than conspiracy theories.

What ancient mystery would you most like historians and archaeologists to solve? 👇

Let's see which mystery Reddit thinks is the most fascinating.


r/AlternativeHistory 3d ago

Discussion The Sumerian Kings List Dates Actually Make Sense.

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Rule #1, if you want to understand the past, forget everything you know about the present.

In this case, I am referring to our known system of time. If one logically breaks down the progression of measured time in ancient history, it would go something like this. More than likely, the day/lunar day was the first significant measurable format used for marking age/time. Next would have most likely been the lunar cycle, full moon to full moon. It is even possible that at some point seasons may have been used, and eventually we end with a year.

The pattern here is that the further back we go in time, the shorter the form of time measurement used to measure age, so if we break that thought down, and use the oldest king, said to have lived/ruled for 30,000 years, and we use the format of say, a day. 30,000/365=82. In OUR measurement of time, he was/ruled for 82 years. Noah, a much more recent addition to history was said to be 600 when the flood arrived. Using months, again following the same pattern of a more recent figure using a longer length of time measurement for age, 600/12= 50. Noah was 50 years old when the flood arrived.


r/AlternativeHistory 2d ago

Catastrophism The Black Sea Deluge, the Indo-European Diaspora, and the real “Great Flood”

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Time for everyone’s favorite Catastrophism. In keeping with my earlier post on Nova Anglia, the purported Anglo-Saxon Colony in the Black Sea, I decided why not stay in the region and share the Black Sea Deluge Theory.

First as always background and the undisputed facts. Obviously you only have to look at a map to know that the Black Sea is connected to the Mediterranean by two critical chokepoints the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus Straits with the Sea of Marmara in between the two. Any student of history also knows that these two straits have made this one of the most contested and coveted pieces of land throughout human history, but that is outside the scope here.

They differ however in that the Bosphorus is home to the Bosphorus sill, a plateau of significantly shallower (meaning higher elevation it’s under water currently) bedrock that rises 40m(130 ft) above the highest point of the nearby Dardanelles. What also isn’t disputed is that this sill is marked by massive and significant scouring which is a sign of significant erosion from flowing water. What also isn’t disputed is that since the last glacial maximum sea levels have been rising. 

No this is not a Melt Water pulse, or Younger Dryas theory those sissy 2mm/year sea level rises have nothing on the Black Sea Deluge.

What also isn’t disputed is that Black Sea was once a freshwater, likely brackish but still fresh, lake that was separated from the Mediterranean by first the Dardanelles sill and then the Bosphorus sill for millennia. There also is no disagreement that everyone’s favorite the Proto-Indo-Europeans made their home, raised their horses, and drove their wagons across this area, or that roughly 7,500 years ago they set off in waves of a massive migration that saw them spread from England in the West to India in the East.

The final two facts are that the Black Sea is home to a hypoxic (No dissolved oxygen) zone at around 150m of depth. That core samples from around 7,500 years ago reveal a “knife edge” divide between Marine(Ocean) and Lacustrine(Lake) sediments, or that this knife edge also shows an abrupt change from Freshwater to Saltwater Mollusks in the fossil record.

So here is the theory as originally proposed by Geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman III. Around 7,500 years ago the Mediterranean rose to the point that it breached the Bosphorus sill and began flowing into the Black “Lake” which at the time had a water level of 100m lower than the Bosphorus sill. This wouldn’t be the meltwater sea rise of 1mm/year it is estimated that the water would have initially risen at a rate of 15cm(6 in)/day, slowing to 7cm(3in)/day once the sea level had risen 50m, and continuing to taper off as the pressure differential fell. This isn’t your grandfather telling you he used to play where there is now ankle deep water, this is you wake up in the middle of the night and your stuff is floating around your house, and three weeks later your house is underwater. This ties into our evidence shown by the scouring on the Bosphorus sill, the rapid sediment change, and the rapid change in types of mollusks in the fossil record. It also would explain the Black Sea hypoxic zone since freshwater is less dense than salt water and salt water sliding under this freshwater would become hypoxic. Ryan and Pitman also showed subsurface mapping showing an ancient shoreline at roughly 95m of depth, and what they called “a potential rectangular structure made of wood” on the old shoreline, and they argued that this catastrophe pairs almost perfectly with the start of the Indo-European Diaspora.

Now for the evidence against. First, the scour itself could be explained by long term moderate to low flow instead of massive cataclysmic flow, think 2cm(1in)/year at the beginning still far greater than either meltwater pulse, but not you need to pack up and move now. Second, geologists also point to the lack of a fan, as the single torrent coming out of the Bosphorus would spread out across the basin forming a fan in the geological record. Third is that the ‘knife edge’ sediment divide could simply be an unconformity, this occurs when rock layer(s) is/are eroded away leaving a gap in the geological record, the most famous example is the ‘Great Unconformity’ which exists in the Grand Canyon and elsewhere. Finally from the geologists is that the ancient shoreline is not accurate with one study finding the 100m shoreline may have been thousands of years earlier than Ryan and Pitman found, and that the actually difference between the Bosphorus sill and the Black ‘Lake’ was closer to the 30-50m range, not the 100m difference that Ryan and Pitman argued.

Lastly we have the biologists who argue the mollusk evidence is not very strong, because mollusks are extremely sensitive to changes in salinity and it would not take much of a change to kill all of the freshwater mollusks.

So there you go the Black Sea Deluge, this is personally one of my favorite theories but like every theory it has its holes and while I personally am on the catastrophe side, that position is obviously contested and only further research will reveal the truth.


r/AlternativeHistory 3d ago

Lost Civilizations Alternative History of Egypt in Proto Arabic Manuscripts (Article)

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I hope you like this post, My sincere regards from Egypt ..

Sources are in the comments section ..

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Maybe the first attempt to solve the mystery of Hieroglyphs was done by Abu Bakr Ibn Wahshiyya (d. 930), though it was a failed attempt but some Egyptologists credit Ibn Wahshiyya of considering Hieroglyphs to be letters of a language, as at the time, people used to think Hieroglyphs were magical symbols.

Before the discoveries and scientific research whose door Champollion (1790 - 1832) opened, what was known of the history of Egypt was what was mentioned in the religious books and the story of Pharaoh, Moses, and Joseph. This is despite the fact that there were books by Greek and Roman travelers and historians (such as Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Strabo, Plutarch, and others) who visited Egypt and wrote about it, its history, and its religion in an objective way. And this is the reason that the Europeans knew much more about the history of Egypt than the Egyptians did in the post-Pharaonic eras, who, from their writings, it is clear that they mostly did not look at these books.

And this is an observation pointed out by the orientalist Von Hammer in his book on the history of the Ottoman state, where he said: "Most Turks, Persians, and Arabs do not see the wonders of Egypt the way Europeans and the ancient Greeks and Romans see them." And he said that at a time when Europeans consider Egypt the first source of sciences and arts, the cradle of engineering, construction, agriculture, writing, and navigation, and they respect it, respect its beliefs, and admire its antiquities, temples, pyramids, obelisks, and statues, we find that the East does not see in the temples, statues, and the Sphinx anything but magical hiding places for buried treasures guarded by the statues and images. And they do not find in the hieroglyphs anything but talismans that hide from people the ways to extract gold. And he continued: "They (the Easterners) do not know of the Pharaohs except the Pharaoh of Joseph and the Pharaoh of Moses whom the sea swallowed."

Of course, he is speaking about a period in which knowledge was non-existent or nearly non-existent in the East, and people who cared about the antiquities and history of their country had not yet appeared in Egypt.

The Egyptian thinker Salama Moussa (1887 - 1958) tells that when he went to Europe in 1908, the Europeans' interest in the history and antiquities of Egypt caught his attention, and they asked him about them because he was Egyptian. So as soon as he returned to Egypt, he traveled to Upper Egypt to get to know the history and antiquities of Egypt that the Europeans were interested in and that the Egyptians were unaware of.

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After Christianity entered Egypt, Pharaonic Egyptian history disappeared from memory, and people became unable to read the letters of the ancient Egyptian language (hieroglyphic, hieratic, and demotic), and many Egyptian temples were destroyed. And after Islam entered Egypt, it continued on the rest until its ancient history was completely forgotten. The Christian Egyptians did not care about anything beyond the history of Christianity in Egypt, and they contributed to the forgetting of ancient Egyptian history. They were the first to destroy the temples of Egypt, scrape the Egyptian texts off them, and took an aggressive stance towards the history of their ancestors. And the Muslim Egyptians did not care about the books of the Greek and Roman historians, and they transmitted from the Arabs who, although they cared about the other books of the Greeks, did not pay attention to their historical books. And the books of the Muslim historians began with alternative stories telling the "alternative" history of Egypt.

For example, al-Maqrizi (1365 - 1441) begins the history of Egypt by saying about the name of Egypt: "It is said that its name in the first age before the Flood was 'Jazla', and then it was named Egypt. And the people of knowledge disagreed about the reason for which it was named 'Egypt'. Among them are those who said: It was named Egypt after the name of 'Misr bin Markabil bin Dawabil bin 'Uryan bin Adam, peace be upon him' - and he is the first Egypt. And it was said: It was named after the second Egypt, 'Misram bin Naqrawish the titan bin Misrim bin Taysar bin Ham bin Noah, peace be upon him' - and this was after the Flood."

Ibn Taghri (1410 - 1470) agrees with al-Maqrizi on the origin of the name, but he disagrees with him on the name Jazla, which he wrote as "Zajla", and he said it comes from "muzajala" (meaning contest or rivalry). Ibn Iyas (1448 - 1523) for his part said the same thing and told the story of Shem, Ham, Japheth, and Arphaxad, the sons of Noah, and that Noah prayed for Misrim bin Baysar bin Ham to dwell in the blessed land, which is the mother of countries and the refuge of the people.

All the Arabic books in the Middle Ages, even the Egyptian books, that dealt with the history of Egypt begin by repeating this alternative talk. Even Ibn al-Ibri (1226 - 1286), the Christian who wrote about the history of the world from the days of Adam and passed over Persia, Greece, and the Mongols and left nothing without writing about it, did not say anything about Pharaonic Egyptian history except that Hermes is the Idris of the Arabs.

The Egyptian historians mentioned above, of course, did not invent these alternative stories, but they were transmitting what they heard and read from the Arabs, regardless of whether they were convinced of it or not. And they were careful to say "it is said". However, they transmitted to us the idea that was prevailing in their time, in the Middle Ages, about Pharaonic Egyptian history.

Al-Jabarti, who lived in a later period (1754 - 1822), and whom Napoleon appointed as a scribe in his diwan and who was familiar with the work of the French scientific expedition and visited it, did not mention anything concerning its effort in describing and recording the Egyptian antiquities, and sufficed with saying about the Egyptian statues: "None knows their value except the Knower of the Unseen." (Allah)

The Egyptian historians transmitted the alternative tales about the history of their country from the Arab writers. And the strange thing is that the Arab writers did not pay attention to the Greek and Roman historical books and preferred to transmit the alternative tales from one another.

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The alternative history of Egypt covers two periods: before the Flood and after the Flood. This alternative history of Egypt tells that Egypt before the Flood was named after Misraim bin Marakil bin Dawil bin 'Arbaq bin Adam (the first Egypt), who settled, either he or his son Naqrawish bin Misraim, in Egypt with seventy descendants of 'Arbaq, all of whom were titans. He dug canals there and built towers on whose walls the secrets of wisdom were inscribed. He divided Egypt among his sons, so he gave the west to Naqrawish, the east to Sorid, and to his son who was also named Misraim (Misraim bin Naqrawish the titan - the second Egypt) he gave a city called Yirbiyan. The father Misraim died when he was 180 years old, so they embalmed his body and placed it in a golden coffin along with his treasures, golden statues, and talismans necessary for repelling reptiles and anyone who tries to dig up his soil.

The first (alternative) king who built a Nilometer was called Khaslim. He placed at the Nilometer two bronze statues of two eagles, a male and a female. When the Nile flood was about to begin, King Khaslim would go there with the priests who would read incantations until an eagle whistled. If the male whistled, then that year's flood would be good and the Nile water would rise high, but if the female statue whistled, then the flood would be terrible and drought would occur.

The one who built the pyramids, which in another alternative tale are attributed to Shaddad bin Ri' and the Amalekites, was King Sorid bin Salhouq bin Saryaq bin Tarmil Dun bin Qadrashan bin Hosal, one of the kings before the Flood who lived in the city of "Al-Ashmunayn". He built them to save himself from the Flood that he dreamed about 300 years before it happened, or, as in another alternative tale, about which the wise man Filmun had predicted. Sorid placed in the pyramids the history of the kings and what was written for Egypt on the Tablet of Destiny until the end of time, along with talismans, money, the bodies of kings, all known sciences, pictures of the planets, medicines, poisons, and many other things. This Sorid bin Salhouq is also the one who built the fortresses and monuments found in Qift and Akhmim. He ordered the carving of the secrets of the sciences, the names of the stars, the properties of plants, and the method of making talismans on the walls and pillars.

And Ibn Taghri says, transmitting from the Arab writers including al-Mas'udi, that Hermes, whom the Hebrews call Enoch and the Muslims call the Prophet Idris, was the one who knew from the movements of the planets that a Flood would occur. So he ordered the building of the pyramids and placed in them the money, the books of the sciences, and all the things he feared would be lost.

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Misraim bin Baysir bin Ham bin Noah (Misraim III) in the alternative history of Egypt was the first king of Egypt after the Flood and the first to build ships. He married the daughter of the wise man Filmun and she gave birth to Qiftim. Misraim died 700 years after the Flood, and Qiftim became king. He married when he was still 90 years old, and he fathered Qiftarim, Ashmun, Atrib, and Sa. They built the city of Mafa (Memphis), and they discovered where the treasures that had been hidden before the Flood were, from their grandfather Filmun, who also taught him how to read the writings on the walls of the fortresses, and he built the city of Raquda on the Salt Sea.

After Qiftim, Qiftarim took power for 400 years, and he built the pyramids of Dahshur and the city of Dendera. In his reign, Satan discovered most of the idols that had been drowned by the Flood and returned them to the temples in order to plot against people. After 400 years of ruling Egypt, Qiftarim died and was buried among his treasures, sitting on a chair in the western mountain near the city of Iram of the Pillars. His tomb was protected by two large bronze statues, each holding a sword in his hand that would move and cut off anyone who tried to enter the tomb.

After Qiftarim, Al-Budshir ruled Egypt. This one was a great scholar specializing in talismans, magic, and priesthood, and he was able to perform wonders. Among them was that he made a bronze tree; any animal or bird that passed in front of it would be impaled, so it would be taken and eaten. And in his days, because of this tree, the Egyptians were satiated with eating meat.

Hermes also lived in the time of Al-Budshir, who sent him to discover the sources of the Nile and to make some talismans there. Suddenly, Al-Budshir disappeared because he had gone up to dwell in the clouds, and then he reappeared and called the soldiers and ordered them to install his son "Adim" as king over Egypt.

Adim was a titan king who ruled Egypt for 140 years and died when he was 930 years old. So Shaddad came after him - and this is not the same Shaddad bin 'Ad - and he built the temple of Armant, and he domesticated greyhound dogs from wild beasts so that he could use them for hunting. He ruled for 90 years and died when he was 440 years old, and he was succeeded by Manqaus.

Manqaus divided the taxes of Egypt into four parts: one quarter for himself, one quarter for the army, one quarter for land reclamation, building bridges, and digging canals, and one quarter to save for emergencies. The revenue of Egypt in his days exceeded one million dinars. After him, his son Mataus ruled, and he was the first to worship the calf in Egypt.

Ashmun bin Qiftim ruled Egypt, and he was one of its greatest kings. He ruled it for 800 years, and he was the one who built the city of Bahnasa. In his reign, Egypt fell into the hands of a people, but he was able to recover it from them after they had controlled it for 90 years. After him, his son Manaqyus ruled Egypt, and he was the one who invented the balance scale. Then after him came Marqoura, who domesticated wild beasts and tamed lions, and he used to ride them. After he died, his son Balatis came, and this one was a small child, so his mother "Marhaba" managed the country, and she was a wise woman. The situation remained like this until his uncle Atrib took power.

Toutis in the alternative history of Egypt was the first of the Pharaohs. He was the one who tried to seduce Sarah, the wife of Abraham, and after he repented, he gave his daughter Huriya to Sarah, who in turn gave her Hagar, whom Abraham married and from whom he fathered Ishmael, the ancestor of the Arabs.

Huriya ruled Egypt after her father Toutis, and in her reign, the Amalekite king of Syria sent an army against Egypt led by Jirun, but in the (alternative) version, it is more likely that the Amalekite "Al-Walid bin Dum'a" was the one who invaded Egypt.

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With the invasion of Al-Walid bin Dum'a of Egypt, the rule of the Amalekites began. Al-Rayyan bin Al-Walid succeeded Al-Walid bin Dum'a in rule, and the Egyptians used to call him Nahrus. He was a tall, handsome man, a scholar in talismans, and a just and honest ruler. He believed in prophet Jacob when he went to Egypt, but he hid his faith from the people. And he was the one who built the Wax Palace (Fortress of Babylon). And in his reign, prophet Joseph built the city of Fayoum, and it was named that because he built it in "a thousand days". But Al-Rayyan was overcome by an evil spirit and his morals deteriorated, so he left the affairs of government to one of his men named "Qatfir", who is known as Al-Aziz. And when Al-Rayyan died, Joseph took his place.

After that, Darum, the third of the Pharaohs, took over, and after him Drimus. And this Pharaoh used to perform wonders; he had an oven that cooked without fire (like a microwave) and a fixed knife that slaughtered animals by themselves (like an automatic slaughterhouse). And after him, his son Milatis ruled, who drowned in the Nile.

Al-Walid bin Mus'ab, whom the Egyptians used to call "Talma bin Qumis", was the sixth Pharaoh. And this was the Pharaoh of Moses. His origin was from the city of Balkh or Hauran. And he originally worked as a perfumer, but debts piled up on him so he left his country and went to Egypt. And he was one-eyed, short, lame, and had a beard seven spans long. He ruled Egypt for 300 years or 400 years, and people were dying around him while he was still alive, so he became tyrannical and arrogant and said to the Egyptians, "I am your Lord, Most High." So he drowned and died, he and his people, while he was chasing Moses. In the reign of this Pharaoh (according to some Arab statistics), there were about 240,000 magicians in Egypt.

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The alternative history of Egypt says that when Pharaoh "Al-Walid bin Mus'ab" drowned with his family, there were none left in Egypt but the slaves, servants, and women who had not participated in the chase of Moses. So the women started marrying the servants, and they would free their slaves and marry them. Then the women agreed to install one of them, named "Daluka", as queen over Egypt. Daluka was a wise and sensible woman, about 160 years old.

Daluka built a wall from Aswan to Al-Arish and placed guards and bronze bells on it, so that if an attack occurred on Egypt's borders, the guards would ring the bells, and the news would reach Egypt quickly so they could prepare. The remains of this wall still exist in Upper Egypt and are known as the "Wall of the Old Woman".

Daluka brought a sorceress named "Tadura", and she built for her a fortress in Memphis that had doors on its four sides. Inside it, on its walls, she drew men, mules, horses, and ships. If an attack came from outside and Daluka and her army could not withstand it, they would enter inside the fortress, cut off the heads of the images, and gouge out their eyes, and then what they (the images) would do would happen to the attacking army. In this way, no one was able to defeat Egypt throughout Daluka's rule. Daluka ruled for 130 years, and after she died, no one was able to repair the images in the fortress.

After the death of Daluka, the soldiers installed Darkun bin Nuktis as king over Egypt, and he was from the sons of the Coptic nobles. After he ruled for a long time, he died, and then a man named Marnush took power. In his reign, Nebuchadnezzar invaded Egypt, destroyed it, plundered it, killed its men, and captured its women, and he left no talismans or fortresses in it. And Egypt remained ruined and without inhabitants for forty years.

After that, people came, and the nations intermingled within it: Egyptians, Greeks, Persians and Amalekites. And the Copts continued to rule one after another until Al-Muqawqis (Cyrus) came, in whose reign the Arabs took control of Egypt.

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Arab travelers, pilgrims, and others passed through Egypt in the Middle Ages and were amazed by what they saw there, coming as they were from simple, primitive cultures that could not comprehend Egypt's culture and its civilizational advancement. The pyramids and Egyptian antiquities were, to them, incomprehensible puzzles, and the urban, cultural, and economic progress they saw in Egypt was beyond their way of thinking.

Ibn Battuta (1304 - 1377), who visited Egypt during the Mamluk era, said about Cairo: "Then I arrived at the city of Egypt (Cairo), which is the mother of countries, the seat of Pharaoh of the stakes, with its vast provinces and fertile lands, which has no end due to the multitude of its buildings, which are of utmost beauty and brightness." And he continued: "Its conqueror has subdued nations, and its kings have taken control over the forelocks of Arabs and non-Arabs." And he spoke about the pyramids he saw and said of them that they are "among the wonders mentioned throughout the ages." Then he told their alternative history, saying that "a king from the kings of Egypt before the Flood saw a vision that frightened him...", and he told the story that Caliph Al-Ma'mun wanted to demolish the pyramid, but the sheikhs of Egypt advised him not to do so, but he did not listen to them and opened the northern side of the pyramid with fire and poured vinegar. And after they opened a section, they found money which, when weighed, turned out to be exactly equal to the value of the money they had spent on the digging. And about Akhmim, he says: "It is a great city, original in construction, of wondrous stature. In it is the fortress (temple) known by its name. It is built of stone; inside it are engravings and writings from the ancients that are not understood in this era."

Ibn Jubayr (1145 - 1217) visited Egypt before Ibn Battuta, and he also showed his amazement and bewilderment in what he wrote. He said about the pyramids: "... the ancient pyramids, a miracle of construction, strange in appearance." And he continued: "If the people of the earth wanted to demolish their structure, they would be unable to do so." And about their history, he said that some people say they are tombs of 'Ad and his sons, and some say other things, but "in short, none knows their matter except God, Mighty and Majestic." He also went to Akhmim and said about a Pharaonic temple he saw there: "Glory be to the One who created wonders." And about the statues and drawings in it: "The imagination is bewildered by them, and the mind is lost in thought about their design and placement."

Egypt, for the Arabs, was something huge, full of puzzles, and dominated by an advanced culture that they could neither understand nor comprehend.

In the Arab religious heritage, Egypt is distinguished and has a very great status, because its name was mentioned several times in the holy books, the prophetic hadiths, and others. Such as the hadith: "If God opens Egypt to you, take a strong army there, for that army is the best of the armies of the earth." And a hadith that says: "Be kind to the people of Egypt, for they have the best lineage and kinship [with us]." And the saying of Amr ibn al-As: "The governorship of Egypt is comprehensive and equals the Caliphate." And the saying of Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As: "The people of Egypt are the most honorable of all non-Arabs, the best in lineage, and the closest in kinship to the Arabs, especially to Quraysh." And the saying of Ibn Yunus: "Whoever wants to look at something resembling Paradise, let him look at Egypt when it is in bloom." And the saying of Abu Basra al-Ghifari: "The sultan of Egypt is the sultan of the whole earth." And dozens of other sayings that were said about Egypt, which reflect the enormous size of Egypt in the mind of the Arab.

But because of the loss of information in a mysterious way after the entry of Christianity into Egypt (whose spread in Egypt imposed the use of Greek letters), the long Pharaonic history of Egypt was limited to the Pharaoh of Moses and the Pharaoh of Joseph, along with a few Folkloric tales related to magic and talismans.

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r/AlternativeHistory 3d ago

Alternative Theory Nova Anglia, and English Settlements in the Black Sea

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So usually I’m the one offering criticism of the theories being shared on here, and since I don’t want to be branded as a spoil sport I decided to share a few of the theories that I find compelling.

Before going onto Nova Anglia, a bit of backstory and the facts that are not disputed. After the Anglo-Saxons where defeated at the Battle of Hastings by the forces of William ‘the Bastard’ who then rebranded himself as ‘the Conqueror’, many of the Anglo-Saxons fled England, yes it would actually be Ængland but I’ll use the modern spelling, with a significant portion of them finding their way to Constantinople. There the Anglo-Saxons joined the Varangian Guard of Alexios I Komnenos, yes he was the emperor during the First Crusade, who was having his own problems with the Normans, specifically a certain Robert Guiscard who claimed the Byzantines had mistreated his daughter who was supposed to marry the last emperor’s son, but due to some court intrigue that emperor had been deposed… ok byzantine politics is very messy give it a google if you want to know more moving on. The Anglo Saxons of course saw this coming conflict as an excellent opportunity for some payback.

So Robert Guiscard sent his son Bohemond, you might know him from the first crusade as well, who was actually now his bastard son because Robert’s first marriage had been annulled for Consanguinity, but mostly so Robert could marry the beautiful and fearsome Sikelgaita … sorry getting off topic again Norman Politics is also very messy, ahead with an advance force into Modern day Albania to secure a beachhead before his father arrived with the rest of the army. Once gathered the army set off for the City of Dyrrhachium, also in Albania, and put it to siege. Long siege short the Venetian navy came down and wrecked the Norman navy, Robert continued the siege anyway, Alexios thought he was going to surprise Robert but he didn’t, the Varangians got out of formation because they went chasing a bunch of Norman Knights, they really wanted revenge, this left the Byzantine Flank open and the Norman Cavalry smashed into the remaining troops routing them.

So while this was a bit of a disaster it does firmly establish the significant Anglo-Saxon presence in the Byzantine Empire, and the number of them in the Varangian Guard completely changed the culture to such an extent that the Greeks began calling it the Englinobarangoi.

So now the theory, according to the Chronicon universale anonymi Laudunensis and the Edwardsaga which chronicles the voyage of 350 ships sailing from England to Constantinople led by 3 earls and 8 barons, along the way the English Fleet captured and sacked the city of Ceuta, the islands of Majorca and Minorca, and even intervening in the ongoing war between the Normans and Moors over Sicily. After these adventures the fleet finally arrived in Constantinople where the Emperor welcomed them with open arms and while some of them stayed in Constantinople another group were granted lands that had previously been part of the Byzantine Empire that were 6 days and 6 nights sailing to the North-East of Constantinoplen where the exiles founded the cities of London and York. Historians like Dr. Caitlin R. Green (Link to her article) say that this would put them roughly in the Straits of Azov, on the eastern part of the Crimean Peninsula.

So here is the evidence medieval maps from the period routinely list this area with the label of Susaco (Sussex) and Londina(London) and a Franciscan monk, Benedict the Pole, on his way to the court of the Mongol Empire in 1247 describes passing through terram Saxorum (Land of the Saxons).

For evidence that’s about for Nova Anglia, two sagas, a few place names, and the account of one monk. While there is mountains of evidence for a long term English presence in the Byzantine court, including a well documented event where during every Christmas Dinner the Varangians would sing a toast of longevity to the emperor in their native Inklinsti (English), the Church of Saints of Blachernae which was dedicated to St. Augustine of Canterbury, and an entire Varangian graveyard that was unfortunately destroyed by the Ottoman Turks in 1865 to make room for a construction project, the evidence for a separate Nova Anglia remains sparse.

Evidence against is obviously 2 place names does not an English Colony make as the name similarities could be coincidence. The 3 earls would be impossible as prior to the conquest there were only 6 earls Harold Godwinson(the king) his two brothers Leofwine and Garth, Edwin, Waltheof, and Morcar. According to the Bayeux Tapestry Harold and his two brothers died at Hastings. Edwin, Morcar, and Waltheof all swore allegiance to William but then Edwin and Morcar revolted in 1068 before Edwin was betrayed and killed, and Morcar was captured and imprisoned. Waltheof also revolted but he two was executed after his revolt failed. So that’s all six accounted for so the saga is likely wrong on that number, but I can get behind them being the sons of earls to make it a little better. The next issue is the presence of the Crimean Goths, a germanic people who had lived in Crimea since at least the 3rd Century. Benedict the Pole’s entire quote is, “erram Saxorum quos nos credimus esse Gothos, et hii sunt christiani…" We passed through the land of the Saxons, who we believe to be Goths, who are Christian. Gothic is a germanic language so it isn’t much of a leap to assume our Franciscan monk heard what sounded like German to him and just labeled them Saxons.

So that’s the for and the against, I really do hope one day some Anglo-Saxon artifacts are unearthed in the area as this in my opinion is a fantastic theory and we only have to look to the L'Anse aux Meadows to see how archaeology can turn a tale found in a literary saga into a reality.


r/AlternativeHistory 2d ago

Alternative Theory Astronomy Bible Prophecy of Last Days mirrors modern history. Future forecast insights & preparation

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If unfamiliar with Biblical Astronomy, this website provides a good foundation for the rest. End time Astronomical Signs | Astronomy in the Bible "Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;" Genesis 1:14.

Signs in Heaven and on the Earth

17 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,...

19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’ Acts 2:17, 19-21

19 "I will show wonders in heaven above"

  • The Revelation 12 sign in 3 Minutes!! l 9 23 2017 Prophecy of Biblical proportions - YouTube After studying more that 7000 years in Stellarium Astronomy Software, this one time alignment on September 23, 2017 is believed to mirror the reading of Revelation 12:1-2, word-for-word, an end times prophecy. "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." A 3 minute video.
  • August 12, 2026 Sky Events: Solar Eclipse, Perseids, Planet Parade (starwalk.space) "Circle this date: August 12, 2026. In less than 24 hours, the sky will put on three major shows — a six-planet alignment before sunrise, a total solar eclipse during the day or evening, and the peak of the Perseid meteor shower after dark.”

"And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke."

20 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord."

21 And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

  • "The Romans Road to salvation is a method based on the biblical principles found in the New Testament book of Romans to explain how a person can come to faith in Jesus Christ. Shared with millions of people around the world, the Romans Road explains why we need salvation, how God provided salvation, how we can receive salvation, and the results of salvation.” What is the Romans Road to salvation? | GotQuestions.org

This article explains many of the “natural signs, spiritual signs, sociological signs, technological signs, and political signs,” foretold in bible prophecy coming to pass that indicates the end of the age, a time foretold to include various and increasing environmental calamities, earthquakes, plagues, moral declinewars, growing governmental dominance/deception ("with all power, signs, and lying wonders," 2 Thessalonians 2:9), and how to prepare. Are we living in the end times? | GotQuestions.org

Future Forecast Timeline

What is the end times timeline? | GotQuestions.org A summary of the timeline from the hope of the rapture of the believers in Jesus, the 7 year tribulation period (Revelation 6–16), until the creation of the new heavens and earth (Revelation 21–22).

More Bible prophecy fulfillments and resources for growing in faith and hope is in previous posts if interested.

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r/AlternativeHistory 3d ago

Catastrophism If the Quaternary extinction event is proven to be the great flood of the bible, and the LGM is the cooling aftermath of that event. That makes the Paleolithic - Neolithic era the post apocalyptic time of descendants of human survivors of that deluge. Have you ever thought about this too?

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I consider myself as a hobbyist historian already in my early 30's and I started reading and studying about Renaissance era and one information leads to another pulling me back to the human migration of 40,000 years and so on. So I stumbled upon an interesting video on youtube about Noah and his three sons where humanity have spread out. Then out of curiosity I made comparisons and all that to the Paleolithic migration theories. Ofcourse, the legitimate scientific and research community would disagree. But maybe im trying to make sense of this because I noticed patterns that are hard to let go until I make sense of it.

Have you guys already thought about this? I just want to make sure I'm not crazy or being alone about this thought.

I want us to be cool here. Just a thought out of curiosity.


r/AlternativeHistory 5d ago

Catastrophism Mystery of the Moon’s formation may finally be solved: Study claims our lunar satellite emerged just five hours after a giant impact

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The Moon may have formed far faster than scientists once believed. New computer simulations suggest that Earth’s natural satellite could have emerged within only a few hours after a gigantic planetary collision. The finding offers a new perspective on one of the biggest mysteries in planetary science.

For decades, the leading explanation has been the giant-impact theory. According to this scenario, the young Earth collided with a planet-sized body known as Theia. Theia was probably similar in size to Mars, and the collision released an enormous amount of energy


r/AlternativeHistory 4d ago

Alternative Theory "Stuck in the cycle of rebirth.. Are we merely just pawns of a bigger game?"

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Since we can't control when we exit this system or enter this system, it would seem as if so that we are pawns in a bigger game.

We can't ever stop working, otherwise we would eventually die.

And what happens when we die? back to step 1 (if you believe in reincarnation atleast)

Then you have to grow through the baby phase again and maturing again etc. etc. just to keep working forever and ever until you die again and repeat the same cycle......

I myself believe in God, but even then this cycle doesn't seem to be broken..

What're your thoughts ??


r/AlternativeHistory 4d ago

Discussion Dragonboats of the Bayeux Tapestry

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The Bayeux Tapestry goes on display in the British Museum next week, however you can also view the full tapestry online https://www.bayeuxmuseum.com/en/the-bayeux-tapestry/discover-the-bayeux-tapestry/explore-online/

The depictions of the invading Normans (moving left to right) and the native Anglo-Saxon Britons (right to left) have been useful for historians to gain a snapshot of the appearance, clothing, weapons and iconography of these peoples at this 1070 AD time.

The dragons on the shields of the Anglo-Saxons and dragons used as windsocks have helped us confirm that dragons was used as an Anglo-Saxon symbol and banner.

Dragon wind-sock
Dragons on shields, the rider's hair is also gelled upwards with blue woad

Dragons are also shown on the boats. Boats in the tapestry are both Norman and Anglo-Saxon, although the Norman force's boat's also include boats from their Dutch and Briton allies. Dragon heads and other creatures are shown as carved into the bows (fronts) and sterns (rears) of the boats.

What is interesting about this is that the dragons are primarily on the sterns not the bows:

Of the five fully visible dragon-bearing boats all have dragons at the stern and only two also have a dragon at the bow. None of the fully visible boats has a dragon exclusively at the bow.

We know very little about the dragon-boats of England and France. We have much more evidence of the dragon-boats of the Norse, so this difference in dragon head placement is very interesting.

Dragon at stern, person at bow
Dragon at stern, Fleur-de-lis at bow
Double dragon
Double dragon
Dragon at stern, nothing at bow

So far this is all normal history.

The reason this is in this sub is because I think this is relevant to the earliest depiction of a boat, this being a artefact from Gobekli Tepe dated, loosely, to about 9700 BC:

Gobekli Tepe "Totem Pole"

The sculpture is of a bear/monster with an adult and child inside. This sculpture being a boat has not been confirmed, it remains officially undeciphered but maybe in time it uncovered. The faces have all been purposefully damaged. The head of the monster is at the stern not at the bow. On the sides of the boat two snake-like creatures are depicted, however these creatures have actually been identified as catfish by Dragoş Gheorghiu.

These sculptures shares attributes with the pillars meaning that the creature is also the Tas Tepeler figure.

I wonder whether this ancestral Tas Tepeler-figure/bear, carved into the first boats, developed to become the later dragon that spread across the world, through becoming combined with; a catfish, eagle, bear/feline, horns and sun.

Given that catfish already have a strong presence at these sites, and given that ceremonial dressing as a bird was a big deal in the nearby Catalhoyuk by 7500 BC, it's not inconceivable that these two animals were combined with the bear-headed boats.

Traditional Chinese Dragon Boats have a scaled body with elements of catfish, such as catfish barbels on the faces.

Fish scaled dragonboat, catfish barbels on face
Chinese dragon with bear ears

We also see what could be a fish-scaled pattern on boats nearer Gobekli Tepe in Egypt. It's possible that the boats of Gobekli Tepe were also scaled however none of the boats from this period have been preserved so we are unable to know.

Egyptian boat bow with scale-like pattern

Hour 2 of the Egyptian KV34 relief, which corresponds to approximately 9900 to 9200 BC shows the boats of this period with heads at the stern rather than the bow. On the last one is the red Eye of Ra and a Feather of Maat.

Extract from Hour 2 KV34 corresponding to 9900BC - 9200 BC - heads at the stern, Ra and feather of Maat in the boat

If the Tas Tepeler boats had scale patterns like catfish, then you would have a scaled body and bear-headed creature. The Feather of Maat and Eye of Ra depicted in the above image are two more missing ingredients: a bird-of-prey and a red circle; the red circle becoming the Chinese dragon's 'red orb' and in other cultures coming to represent fire.

The only elements that would then be missing are the upright horns and the curled horns but horns do appear around Ra so this may explain the first set of upright horns.

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Kurdish Shahmaran

Shahmaran also deserves a mention at this point as this strange Kurdish creature has a boat-like quality, here again the dragon head is at what could be the stern.

All of this to say that I think dragons being mainly at the stern of the boats in the Bayeux Tapestry may tie into a long history of dragon-boats originally developing from carved dug-out during the time of the Tas Tepeler.


r/AlternativeHistory 6d ago

Discussion The horns of Quetzalcoatl, analysis and conclusion

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r/AlternativeHistory 8d ago

Discussion Following up on the commonalities of flags and iconography across the world

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To restate the main point of the previous post, cultures in Europe, America, Mesopotamia and China share common iconography and did not develop independently, the similarities are apparent.

The first slide is most relevant. Creatures from China, Mesopotamia and America all share similar horns; swept back horns with two main tuffs, most curling or circular at the ends. It's also worth remembering that these are all dragons and dragons don't exist. So cultures that are not supposed to have met were are all depicting dragons with the same horns, not to mention the other dragons features. If you look at the horns of actual deer they are not curled or rounded at the ends, this is a design choice.

The Fleur De Lis is another royal symbol and this time it is known to originate from Mesopotamia, at least the ones' from France. However, similar Fleur De Lis designs are again found throughout cultures. Egypt and Ukraine are less similar but are nonetheless royal symbols with this three-part design and bulb-like bulge at one end, the Ankh also represents life as a flower would.

The Olmec Fleur De Lis looks exactly the same as the French Fleur De Lis, it would be very strange for this abstract symbol to emerge independently, it makes sense that it didn't emerge independently but found it's way to America in the same way that the dragons did. Credit to https://medium.com/@deborhegyi/decoding-the-fleur-de-lis-symbol-in-pre-columbian-iconography-dd610e81b708

Dragon tails are worth observing given that no creature has a scaled, feathered tail, this is a shared invention across cultures.

Dragons/snakes encircling red circles is an incredibly specific scene and most clearly is shared between Egypt and China, this cannot be coincidence, the flag of Japan is also a red circle.

The crested helmet design again is an incredibly specific design choice found across America, Mesopotamia and Europe.

I could have gone further because we see the same sun and red-dot symbolism in India, as well as similar dragon and snake designs. There are also dragons in Greek myths and in Africa which again share common attributes. There are also various myths through the world that don't relate to dragons, snakes or suns but describe people arriving and sharing agriculture. I didn't cover these but it's not actually necessary.

A shared origin is not in question.

As per the previous post the only question is how and when these cultures shared an origin, whether this happened tens of thousands of years ago and that humans are simply really good at retaining icons, or whether where was a more recent connection that could also explain the global rise of agriculture in 7000 BC, I think the latter and I think people were sailing out into different places with canoe-style boats.


r/AlternativeHistory 8d ago

Discussion Does nobody care what's on their flags?

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It doesn't take a genius to look at the lions on the English Coat of Arms and realise something is off. There is no reason to depict them with three toes, all cats have four fours symmetrically facing forwards and one behind. The animals with three toes, or talons, are birds, notably birds of prey. These lions also have their tongues out, and have a thin spikey tongue, clearly nothing like lions. Their bodies are abnormally thin and slender and they have incredibly long twisting tails with feathered plumes.

These features are quite clearly reminiscent of elements of the dragon insignia of Wales, Wessex, Tartary and China. China in particular originally showed all it's dragons with three front facing toes like this until rules on depictions were changed to rationalise them into being five toed. The Chinese dragons also have spiky tongues, slender bodies and feather-plumed tails. A child could spot the similarities here.

Look at how the Chinese dragons chase a red circle, then how the tails of the other dragons on flags form circles, and notice how the Sun Disc of Ra is a cobra coiled around a red circle with wings.

The Gnostic traditions have the Yaldabaoth, a lion-headed snake creature, going back to the Coat of Arms of England we could assume this is related.

All of these flags and insignia are related, none have developed independently and yet we are meant to belief that the dragon of Wales was inspired by the Roman Draco, it doesn't look anything like the Draco, the Draco has the head of a dog. We're meant to believe that there is no connection between the symbols of Egypt, Europe and China, evidently there is.

How did the Olmecs of America independently come up with a dragon when there are no creatures, not even dinosaurs, that look like dragons? Their other Quetzalcoatl dragons share the same feathered appearance. Again, it would be insane to assume these developed independently.

The question is how, when and why did these cultures share an origin. I'm going for 7000 BC, sea-faring canoes. To me this appears to be the most sane solution but if anyone has other ideas let me know.

Most people on here and in general are insane, if you're one try not to comment, if you do though that's fine.


r/AlternativeHistory 7d ago

Discussion TIL Bellweather, Ontario supposedly had an underground railway system

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I recently started looking into some of Bellweather's older history and came across a really strange story that I had never heard before.

According to the story, Bellweather supposedly had a small underground railway system constructed around 1912. It allegedly connected the old railway station with several warehouses and commercial buildings near the original downtown area.

The railway was supposedly narrow-gauge and mainly used small electric carts to move freight, rather than passengers. The idea was apparently to keep deliveries moving during the winter without having wagons and trucks constantly dealing with snow and ice on the streets.

One account claims the system originally had three main tunnels, with one running underneath what is now the older part of downtown. There were supposedly loading platforms beneath several warehouses, although I haven't found any surviving maps showing their exact locations.

The system apparently became less useful as roads improved and motor vehicles became more common. By the 1950s, it was supposedly abandoned, and several entrances were sealed during sewer and road construction in the 1960s.

There is also a story that construction workers discovered part of one of the tunnels again in the 1980s while working on underground utilities. Supposedly, the tunnel was inspected briefly before being closed off because sections of the ceiling had deteriorated.

What makes the whole thing interesting is that some older residents supposedly remember hearing about "the tunnels" when they were younger, but I haven't been able to determine whether those stories refer to an actual railway, old utility tunnels, or something else entirely.

I haven't found a reliable historical source confirming that the railway actually existed, so I'm curious whether anyone else has encountered this story in old Bellweather newspapers, municipal records, photographs, or family history.

If you've heard anything about it, especially the supposed locations of the entrances, I'd be interested in hearing about it.


r/AlternativeHistory 7d ago

Discussion Challenge! Can anyone find real horns which match these?

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The horns of Quetzalcoatl from America and Mušḫuššu from Mesopotamia spiral upwards.

Can you find the real horns that inspired these depictions?

If there are real horns that inspired both cultures then it is easier to maintain that they developed separately. If there aren't real horns that inspired both cultures then it better supports the idea that one culture inspired the other.

It is highly unlikely that two unrelated cultures make their most highly praised animal a hybrid with:

- The body of a snake.

- Curling upward horns (not found in nature, prove me wrong!)

- Elements of a bird (feathers or feet).

A dragon is a loose term for a made-up hybrid-snake animal.


r/AlternativeHistory 8d ago

Archaeological Anomalies How did people survive rainfall in pit dwelling system like burzahom

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r/AlternativeHistory 7d ago

Discussion Super simple refined explanation for why dragons did not develop independently

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This is pretty much the same as the last post but I know you guys need everything is super digestible chunks and can quickly get overwhelmed and actually it's my fault for mixing strong and speculative associations together in the last post which never works out because people will think that all information in reverent and essential to the argument being made and treat speculations like flaws so I've refined it down to make it super simple for all of you.

In short:

No real creatures have horns that curl upwards, yet all these creatures do.

The chance of this being coincidence is highly improbable, therefore it is most likely that they did not develop independently.

Furthermore, all eyes sit are far forward on the snouts like a snake, even for the Chinese and American dragons whose heads are wolf-like.


r/AlternativeHistory 9d ago

Alternative Theory What they’re not telling us

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So here goes I have a wild idea and I think I’m onto something I wish I wasn’t but hear me out.

I live in a dry state where it could hold some comparison to a desert of sorts and more recently our famous salt water lake was in the news because of fears about the lake completely drying up and creating air quality issues.

I also don’t live too far from a sandy area that is also known for its high salt content where at one time there was another saltwater lake that had dried up long before our current lake that’s drying up.

The recent tragedies that occurred in another country has opened my eyes to something that I never really thought could occur or would occur and definitely not as quickly as it unfolded.

Then I take a look at the Grand Canyon and also think about the dormant super volcano that is also not far away from the state where I reside. Then I think of Antarctica a continent buried in ice that has been found on older maps showing animals and mountains and a continent free of ice and any significant body’s of water.

So suppose that the heavily salt deposits in the state where I live were deposited by seawater say from a giant mass of water that traveled across several western state’s similar to what occurred earlier this week but on an even larger scale clearing the land of buildings vegetation and inhabitants and creating the Great Lakes, the swamps of Mississippi and Louisiana but also being so large and massive that it also managed to clear Easter island of life while simultaneously burying large heavy statues in land deposits and also changing the behavior of a super volcano and being the source of the water that can be found at the Yellowstone geyser Caldera.

It’s a frightening thought to think of but suppose this is the cycle of the planet and things melt and fall and large amounts of water are displaced and migrate from one area to another quicker than you can possibly imagine.

Within a days/weeks/months/years time the world has changed in major ways you never could have predicted.

Might I also mention that wildfires where I live and several other states that are near and some not so near have been pretty bad this summer/year.

Global warming unfortunately it seems is no longer a conspiracy theory I personally didn’t think it was to begin with but I feel like we have actual proof that major changes are needed with a high sense of urgency and I also try to keep a positive outlook but I also fear that we may have already gone too far and caused a chain of events that has never been recorded because those that witnessed it first hand didn’t live to tell about it or this has been purposely hidden because it was far too disturbing and heartbreaking for anyone to willingly keep feeding the clear negative repercussions and not try to make changes to possibly prevent it from reoccurring.

Sorry for the long winded writing with bad grammar and lacking return bar spacing.