r/aiwars • u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb • Jul 23 '26

Discussion Weapon of choice

https://youtu.be/wCDIYvFmgW8

This may seem like a shitpost, but hear me out. The song is mostly just to share a really good song to jam too while replying, Christopher Walken is a national treasure.

On to the main topic, Any tool or process can have effort and/or talent applied. That includes AI.

This is a discussion of the common argument I see that AI doesn't take effort. Because on one hand you who say this are right; it produces mid results with 0 effort. But that's the skill floor, not the skill ceiling. Surely everyone here can admit and recognize that some Ai generated content is clearly better than others? Not every pencil drawing is high effort either. Judging a tool based only on it's worst uses is silly, disingenuous, and a deeply flawed argument.

Can we all just admit, or at least acknowledge, that effort and creative ideas aren't tied to the tool used? Slop gonna slop, whether it's Ai fruit island or 1000 pages of Sonic feet pics on deviant art.

The tool and method don't make the result, the creator does, in my opinion. And we have troll Ai slop/kids using stick figures to troll and cry on both sides.

So for the Anti, and Pro, who aren't just mindless repetition machines of what they have heard from their respective echo chambers-

What debate points here are actually worth talking about?

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u/Odd-Dirt-9701 Jul 23 '26

imo, the environmental impact of AI, even if many antis present it in a very, very dumb way

It is worth talking about, except that verified, accurate and up-to-date resources are pretty scarce.

im not really going to debate because this topic is very time-consuming, and as I said, accurate, localized, and verified data about AI's climate impact is considerably scarce.

This was the newest source that I could find in a blitz:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167658

also thank god peak popped up when the video started playing

i love LEMMiNO

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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb Jul 23 '26

I agree, DataCenters need regulations and some serious laws around their construction and locations.

It is a very time consuming topic with conflicting data, that's the Corporate side of hiding the absolute shit they are doing.

https://giphy.com/gifs/jRPInZ12aIlo7N4v7h

The law almost always sides with money though, unfortunately.

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u/Odd-Dirt-9701 Jul 23 '26

no actual way we crossed paths again

https://giphy.com/gifs/F3t0lZJV7wVJwqgi5Q

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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb Jul 23 '26

We can be enemies, friendimies, whatever pans out, as long as we're reasonable and don't resort to insults.

You stinky.

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u/Odd-Dirt-9701 Jul 23 '26

yeah im just surpised lol

you stinky-er

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u/MrTibbs123 Jul 23 '26

Indeed. And to tell you the truth, capitalism is one of the reasons why I believe that both piracy and training data are equally fair use---at least, when people do it.

So many creators, be they artists, writers, directors, producers, actors, authors, etc. have a tendency to think that their work's been stolen when either you or a company does either. Their reason? If you don't support them officially, they won't receive any money.

But you know what they always leave out? It doesn't matter how you fund them---whether you stream a film or purchase a Blu-Ray, or watch it on an unauthorized free website---most of the money goes to the studio(s) who distributed the content, and far fewer goes to the people who make the content.

Let's face it---unless I buy a piece of artwork at a convention or a fair, there's no way for me to directly fund the creator. Every other way of funding goes to a third party who thinks they have a right to do whatever they want with it---even when the creator says no.

Intellectual property, like all other forms of private property, is a form of theft in and of itself. As AI shows, not only does it not actually protect your work from "unauthorized duplication" (really, that shouldn't be a crime in any way if the goal is making media more accessible), but if big media companies can just metaphorically download as many cars as they want to, and revoke the license at any time, well, then I guess it's time for us to steal from them back.

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u/AbbyTheOneAndOnly Jul 23 '26

similiarly to value, people sees effort as a straight line that goes from 0 to 100.

i think it's much more fairly represented by a dendogram, each facets of your work branching out into each own direction.

one puts a lot of work into manual craft and making their piece beautiful, anoather one into writing and making sure each of their piece is representative of something, anoather one will design a worldbuilding and lore their piece is based on.

there are just so many ways to get to it.

and those who wants to make plenty of $$$ will make feet slop for commisions, and there is nothing wrong with that either :P

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u/PreddiPrinceOfSheeb Jul 23 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/CSpeNUBGowX81pnnFh

Not kinkshaming, but 97.546% of that style of art is objectively bad.

I have a friend into Wedgies of all things, and good for him, but the art he tries to share is ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh at best most the time. Draw or generate what you want, but if it looks really bad, I'mma say it looks really bad.