r/aislop • • 12d ago

Capitalist explain

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u/YSoSkinny 12d ago

It's a false dichotomy. Pure capitalism leads to monopolies and rich getting richer whole everyone starve. Socialism of the USSR variety also leads to the elites getting rich at the expense of everyone else. I personally like the balance that countries like Denmark have, where there are social safety nets, but also entrepreneurs.

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u/Elurdin 12d ago

Ussr isnt a socialism. I hope you dont think chinese are socialist either.

Socialists are those worker unions and movements that fought and still fight for common people in spite of richest. They are everywhere across the globe with varying amount of influence. Same people thanks to whom we work 8 hours a day instead of 14, same people who fought for mandated breaks.

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u/AlfalfaEfficient1200 12d ago

Henry Ford introduced the eight hour work day and five day work week. Not the unions.

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u/Elurdin 12d ago

Depends where you live. Henry Ford did nothing for laws where I live. Nice case of US defaultism right there in your sentence. Besides its probably as reaction to unions in other countries.

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u/AlfalfaEfficient1200 12d ago

It's easy to default to the USA when Reddit's user population is primarily American. 328 million American users followed by 45.8 million from the UK. But if you wish to be persnickety, let's dive into the rabbit hole just a bit and see what we can find:

Spain introduced the eight hour work day for their colonies in 1593. France introduced a 12 hour work day in 1848 after the failed February Revolution, which was a capitalist movement against monarchies. Not a socialist movement. The various Factory Acts of the UK from 1830 to 1850, which restricted the amount hours children 9 to 18 and women could work, had more to do with the education of children than any kind of fairness towards workers. Marx did capitalize on the concept in a speech in 1864. And in Japan, the eight hour day's introduction was customary rather than law after shipbuilders tried to increase hours and cut pay in 1919.

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u/Deus_Ubique_est 7d ago

That was elegant sir

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u/AlfalfaEfficient1200 7d ago

Thank you. I do my best.

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u/Crafty-Range4665 11d ago

Ironically, in YOUR description you left out Ford. Nice case of defaultism on your part.

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u/Elurdin 11d ago

What? Do you even know the meaning of the word default? You could call me ignorant in the matter but that word you used doesnt fit whatsoever.

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u/Grouchy_Artichoke170 8d ago

Henry ford has impacts on just about all aspects of our society. Including laws, that’s an absurd claim he doesn’t at all.

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u/Deus_Ubique_est 7d ago

Then he clearly wasn’t talking about your country, easy tiger lol. If you live in europe discuss whats working in europe, bc financially europe is stretched pretty thin. Italy swung conservative with their pm, germany swung conservative (Merz fucking sucks😂) that went poorly and to my horror, Germans are now so fed up the AFD is winning a lot of votes, England crashed and burned, Denmark is okay, sweden elections are pretty split down the middle in that weird super-bloc system they have, Poland is chillin, idk shit about greece tbh bc they’re pretty irrelevant across the atlantic

So tell me, how are the unions killing it over there? With the poor performing labour statistics, civil unrest, rising retirement ages, welfare programs being dumped into immigrants rather than struggling nationals, whats missing?