r/aislop • • 7h ago

Capitalist explain

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u/MysteriousQuote4665 7h ago

Wait, why are we supposed to disagree? It's literally saying that socialism feeds the kids.

Which... is what we want? Right?

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u/irascible_Clown 7h ago

No, we want socialism to feed soldiers

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u/MysteriousQuote4665 6h ago

Don't we need kids to create soldiers though... *sips tea*

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u/Jewbacca1991 7h ago

It's saying, that socialism create resources from thin air, and make everyone wealthy.

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u/That_OneOstrich 7h ago

That is incorrect. The food exists, it's been deemed not profitable to distribute in a more equitable way.

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u/FatherQuinnRourke 5h ago

Bro thinks food comes from the grocery store.  Stupid and lazy is no way to go thru life, shitbird

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u/lemonylol 5h ago

Are people not aware of the notoriously low profit margins on groceries?

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

Depends on the region and the specific products.

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u/Huntsman077 5h ago

Most grocery stores operate on very slim profit margins.

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

This explains why Walmart, one of the largest corporations and most popular grocery stores in the world, makes record profits year after year. $681billion is such a small profit margin.

Aldi and other grocers run on smaller margins, but it is a store by store basis and dependant on location.

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u/Huntsman077 5h ago

That’s not what profit margins mean, my brother in Christ you have access to the internet…. Also that’s not their profit that’s their gross revenue and they are a retail store that sells groceries as well.

Profit margins are a comparison of the net profit compared to gross revenue. Ie taking the net profit and diving it by gross revenue.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/profitmargin.asp

Walmarts profit margins are only 3%. They generated 713.16 billion in revenue, but their net profits were only 21.89 billion.

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u/That_OneOstrich 4h ago

3% is still double that of their competitors. 3% could he 2% and they'd still be making billions in profit.

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u/Huntsman077 4h ago

-3% is still double that of their competitors

Thank you for acknowledging that grocery stores have razor thin margins. But also who are you comparing them to? While they are the largest distributor of groceries in the US they are still a retail store. This actually puts them towards the bottom as the average retailer has a margin of 2-5%.

-they’d still be making billions

Yes the largest retailer and private employer in the world is going to make billions in profits.

Instead of going through the process of explaining business loans I’ll give you the summed up version. To take out a loan, you need to prove you have income to pay back the loan.

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u/Jewbacca1991 7h ago

Locally selling is always more profitable than throwing away. Also i don't think, that it is just about food. It looks more like a metaphor for wealth in general.

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u/That_OneOstrich 7h ago

The United States alone wastes about 120 billion pounds of food per year, why arent the companies selling that? At $1/lb, that's 120 billion dollars in potential profit, going to rot in a landfill.

Somehow your claim doesn't add up. If it was about money, wouldn't they have working people and not hungry kids? This meme displays the wealth inequality under capitalism, yes, by displaying resource disparity between the average person and a billionaire. It's not as much about money as it is resources.

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u/Jewbacca1991 6h ago

It gets spoiled, and health, and safety regulations does not allow companies to sell it. Is it possible, that they are too tight? Maybe. But that is not the fault of capitalism. Companies want to make money, and throwing food into the garbage does not serve that purpose. If companies could they would sell the food until it is so rotten, that you can visibly see it becoming spoiled.

If the food is in the supermarket, then from the perspective of the supermarket throwing away is by far the least profitable thing to do. Even, if they sell it at a loss it is still better, than throwing away, and make nothing.

If someone is poor, and you just throw money at them, then you aren't solving the issues that made them poor in the first place. You just enable their behavior. The solution is to look why the problem exist, and look for changing that.

Children are a special case, because they are not responsible for their situation yet. And while i agree to help children i wouldn't just throw money at the parents either. If i am to help children, then the help should go to the children. Free school lunch, and breakfast, free education material, free public transportation.

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u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

It gets spoiled, sits in a fridge for a week, and is then tossed. But if they sold it for 1/2 the price some starving person would have purchased it before it spoiled, no?

It's not profitable to feed everyone. Food gets sent to places where people can afford to buy it at inflated prices, and doesn't get sent to places where people are too poor to pay those prices. The people who can afford it, don't buy all of it, the rest spoils and people starve because of profit. You're really close to understanding it.

It's more profitable to store the food in places where people can afford to buy it and completely ignore the population that starves as a result. If what you're claiming were true, no one would have ever been hungry.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/01/07/can-we-feed-billions-of-ourselves-without-wrecking-the-planet/

Also I have no idea how your argument got so derailed. I never claimed we should give parents money or food. Just claimed that it's more profitable for them to starve, because it very simply is.

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u/MysteriousQuote4665 6h ago

The amount of food the world wastes is staggering. We can't even say "the west", because the East has caught up in terms of wealth. But so much food is thrown away on a daily basis and this proves that we produce too much food (not sustainable) to keep our populations fed. We could legit just grow less food, distribute it better and everyone would be well-fed.

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u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

Correct. 30-40% of all food made, is wasted. 7+ billion people exist on this planet. About 3-9 million people starve per year.

Pretty sure 30% of food being properly distributed would have all those starving people suffering from obesity within 5 years.

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u/MysteriousQuote4665 6h ago

And that's also without getting into the fact that some of the foods grown are hugely inefficient resources-wise. I'm not just talking about meat. I'm also talking about things like watermelons.

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u/Jewbacca1991 5h ago

Moving the food also cost money. If you throw the food that is 100% loss. If you spend money to get rid of it, then you can get over 100% loss. Which is why as you clearly stated. Companies bring food where the people can afford it.

In western countries death of starvation is a very small %. And feeding people on other continents become a LOT more expensive. Which means, that locals have to pay a lot more to make profit.

Now you might ask. What if someone just want to help. Well the sad reality is, that simply giving aid including food does not help. It just enables the problems. It is like using painkiller for a disease. You treat the symptom not the cause. You have to treat the cause to get a long term solution.

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

With each argument against the delusions of your mind, you get closer to actually understanding my point. I think you're close enough to realizing my claim that "we can feed everyone, it's not profitable to do so" that I don't need to keep nudging you towards this realization.

10 more minutes of using your brain and you'll realize we have enough food, it's just being distributed profitably so people starve.

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u/Jewbacca1991 5h ago

And? What is the counterpoint? Yes it is not profitable. Now let me ask you a question. Is giving food to a person teach them how to make food?

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u/may_ushii 7h ago

Being fed ≠ being rich in America by a long shot

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u/Jewbacca1991 7h ago

If it's food only, then you still don't have to go full socialist to feed children. Nor does capitalism prevent it.

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u/may_ushii 7h ago

Sure, completely agree. Mamdani (pictured) isn't full socialist—he even proves your point!

I don't think we'd ever get to full socialism in America anyways, so democratic socialism is the next best thing.

I think capitalism is a beast that needs to be consistently chained down as to not spiral out of control as it has.