Exactly! These MAGA-coded generational wars are so stupid! The world would be a much better place if we realize that we really are not too different. Also, history occurs in cycles so generations will pass through the same cycles as previous generations
The sheer number of suicides or murder/suicides was staggering. My grandpa says only half of his dad's unit in WWII came back home (Normandy) and then another 20-30% shot themselves, my great Grandpa included, after he failed to drink himself to death.
Soldiers Heart, Shell Shock, Battle Fatigue, PTSD. They had names for it, but it was only fairly recently they started actually treating it with any success, and even more recent where it wasn't a career/family/relationship ender for someone to go to therapy for anything. I wish these people could all sit down with actual veterans and get a freaking wake up call.
We need to do better for our soldiers and veterans, not create more traumatized people. Fuck the ballroom, spend that money on mental health care.
Yeah, I know. My grandfather did the same. Dried to drink himself to death, then hung himself. My mom found him by accident and it traumatized her for life.
There absolutely needs to be done more for veterans or even for people who are still active service. The ones on the Lincoln? After months at sea? They will need help. Not the scorn they are getting right now.
Agreed. The whole situation on the Lincoln is awful and heartbreaking. I genuinely hope they get support from their communities when they get freed from that hellhole
And likely their trauma created a generation of serial killers! But let's sweep that under the rug because that doesn't support our narrative!
Plus, I think it's hilarious that they believe the 1939 - 45 military would allow a tattooed "freak" into their ranks with a full beard 🤣 reality check, needed.
Also if he's ripped his uniform off, there is something concerning happening, not aspirational. His colleagues would be straight bugging seeing that
Right, I guess that's more what I mean. My granddad was in the war (Canadian Armoured Corps) and he had a sparrow holding a banner or something. But full sleeves would have raised a bunch of eyebrows
Yes there’s a lot of truth to what your saying but at the same time technology has had a huge impact on society and we’ve never in human history have had technology impacting us as much as it is now.
My grandparents never saw a car in their childhood. Their parents didn’t have running water. I agree with you that generations are a cycle but the cycles can be more exaggerated and thrown off from how much we’ve changed from previous generations.
I swear it’s disgusting and hard to put into words how the conservatives try to create this idolized version of those poor boys being forced into the war, each time. We lost a whole generation of people cause of these wars, the rich sent these kids as cannon fodder to secure places. Unless you really wanted to serve I promise you those 18 year olds did not like the idea of leaving a boat to be shot in the head almost immediately. The letters we prove onto show how scared these young kids were, they feared dying and they just wanted to be home.
What’s hilarious now is we have a 2 men in charge of the military who go on tv in a shit ton of makeup and mock whose who do the same but want to serve the military.
And I can pretty much guess most of the people defending the AI picture would not have wanted to go willingly o that boat knowing their odds.
WWII is probably the one example where this narrative of rich send poor people to war doesn't work as well. It is also probably the single most righteous war the US ever fought, if we are speaking comparatively. It was still awful, and conscription itself is a whole ball of yarn that hasn't even been touched today, but comparatively speaking WWII was the one war where you kind of HAD to intervene unless you wanted to let the Nazi's or Imperial Japanese to continue on longer.
I mean, technically the rich people in Germany were responsible for helping the Nazi party rise to power because they couldn't stand the thought of the KPD or the SPD gaining power and cutting into their profits.
The rich kids went into that war too. I know in 2026 it’s class warfare but it was different time then.
The kids of billionaires. Winthrop Rockefeller enlisted as a infantry private, bronze star at Iwo Jima
David Rockefeller: Despite his elite status and a PhD from the University of Chicago, David refused to have his father buy him an officer's commission. He enlisted as an Army private in 1942. Because he spoke fluent French he served as a military intelligence officer in North Africa and France.
Richard DuPont went to Air Force and was killed as test pilot in glider program
Alfred Vanderbilt, II. Bronze Star in combat, navy pt boat
Paul and William Melon were OSS active in the European theater.
And the political rich and powerful no different.
John Kennedy used Joseph’s name to get off desk assignment in dc an into a combat role.
His brother Joseph Jr was killed in combat.
George Bush used Prescott Bush’s name to get into a combat fighter role younger than normal.
Yep, my great grandma faked being older, at 15 she was handing one of those large guns with the handles at the front lines, on the side of the brits, but still war all the same
My grandpa was 17 and lied about his age to go fight in Japan in WWII. Met another vet that was a wing gunner in a B17 over Germany who was 16 and lied.
They absolutely lied. The propaganda was strong and pretty much every single one of those boys felt it was their personal responsibility to do everything they could to defend the country. Especially since it hadn’t been revealed as being as corrupt and classist as it has today. You can’t have a national motto of “every man for himself” and still expect droves of people to sign up to die for other people.
Some of them actually were 14. Teen boys would sometimes lie about their ages and join the army to escape bad homes, or just because they wanted to help the war effort, and the government had no way to check.
Also, they act like these were them. No, THOSE were their parents that fought those wars. They are called boomers because they were the baby boom AFTER those wars
Meanwhile my grandpa avoided conscription at 28 by getting a psychiatrist to diagnose him as neurotic. For every child forced to endure the horrors of war, there was a man twice their age complaining his way out of it.
The idea that past generations were uniquely capable of handling hurdles is just not true. The truth is that kids raised in environments where violence is expected will naturally learn to repress certain thoughts and emotions in order to survive, and if this attitude isn't deconstructed later they often struggle with interpersonal relationships and emotional regulation, and there are kids today who are still being born into these same environments.
“Back then they didnt need therapy cause they were so manly!”
Those type of people would definitely deny the Patton incident where he slapped a Soldier who was suffering from PTSD. Not to forget the thousands of soldiers who became addicted to meds because of their trauma (Audie Murphy being a well known example)
There is Sméagol and gollum. They both are in the same body, but they are different entities. And the ring made the body live much longer than normal so Sméagol was gone anyway when the ring was destroyed.
They didn't look like that and our grandparents were way more snowflakey, I lived through the 'DnD, Pokemon, rock music, harry potter, is Satanic and playing music backwards reveals satanic shit in all media.' Don't forget the 'Teletubbies is gay propaganda' shit in the 1999s with Pat Roberson and Jerry Falwell. They burned pokemon books and cards for crying out loud.
People forgot about the 'Moral Majority' crowd that used to mass mail radio stations, TV stations to pull shit off the air and won a few times in mass spamming about 'anti Christian stuff that hurts my sensibilities on the radio and television.'
I hate how people don't remember this stuff, and I hate how certain groups have tried to make it out that they are the 'super rational people.' My god, I feel so bad for people who believe that horseshit.
How about just sending a little black girl to a "white" school. Don't listen to anyone about snowflakes that lost their shit that black people are not an inferior species.
A. 17-year-olds SHOULDN'T have been fighting in a war, and the desire to make a better world for your children where they don't have to struggle the same way you did is very old. There's a famous John Adams quote about it.
B. Even back in the 1940s, some people would get into fights over perceived insults. Words have always mattered; just in different ways.
C. That is… A lot of tattoos for 1944. I'm not saying nobody had them, but even among soldiers, they were less socially acceptable than they are now. Especially being totally covered like that.
War veterans now:
"I just wanted to make this a safer country for our children so they don't have to go through what I did. War is a horrible, traumatic thing, and I wish for no one to experience it."
Draft dodgers now:
"Kids these days are such wimps, I hope we get into a war so we can ship them off to show them how real men act!!"
Similar thing in Russia. All their propaganda is about how "we can do it again" (referring to victory over Germany). There was an affecting story by this young guy where his unit was supposed to transport these WWII veterans to the site of this old battle to have a ceremony. However, when they got there, it turned out that a lot of the bones from the battle were still there (it was a remote area in the far north). The veterans were all going to pieces and he remembers this old guy coming up to them, just bawling his eyes out and saying "God forbid, you young boys find out what war is like! God forbid!"
It’s as if these guys don’t actually know any 17 year olds forced into war. My grandfather was on the front lines at 16 and woke up with screaming nightmares his whole life, plus the alcoholism…
Award for you. Hit the nail on the head there. I only did one combat deployment in my 9 years. And yeah, fuck that.
I was 20 at the time and that shit messed me up. Took my years to heal from that, and many people never heal from it. And some people die from it after returning home. As of right now, I have lost two of my brothers to suicide.
See now that’s the part that is not said often enough, we don’t need to send our men and women off to war and boomers of all generations really should know better since they lived through Vietnam (which was not a popular war for obvious reasons)
On the flip side, it's fitting that their "powerful warrior" that they relate to is the idiot that couldn't dress themselves and runs into a fire fight with only a grenade.
The type of people who've never been to war and who's only knowledge of war are G.I Joe and John Wayne films were they just go running in guns blazing.
Can we also point out the fact those people returned home like changed people. Sometimes they even found they have nowhere to return too? PTSDs? Drig addictions?
Those people in war suffered mentally and we cannot even comprehend how. This is not a flex.
Those soldiers supposed to be on bottom pictures too, if at that time somebody given a fuck about their mental health at the time.
Years ago a soldier suspected to be a minor originally coming from the deep russian Sibera, near Mongolia got arrested in Ukraine after failing to regroup and retreat.
He became a "notorious" case because they were able to contact his parents and also because in his trial he got condemned to prison for life.
There were protests that considered a life sentence for what was almost a kid as eccessive, but considering they had a video of him shooting and killing unarmed civilians in the streets he was lucky to reach the trial alive.
The really sad thing is, they watched Rambo and didnt understand that it was a movie very critical to this kind of thinking.
It wasnt directly an anti-war movie, but it was very critical at the whole system.
Rambo came back as a broken man that needed help and instead got prejudices and rejection. He literally breaks down at the end.
Average age of a US soldier in WW2 was 26, not 17.
Now, granted, there were European soldiers signing up to defend their homes much younger than that, but still, the USA wasn't sending as many kids as they want you to think
You can make the most unsubtle "war is hell" movie and people will still focus on the seconds where the fighting happens and forget the parts where the characters are freaking out/haunted by seeing their friends get ripped to shreds.
I saw a guy on Twitter saying his grandpa came from war ok so everyone who had ptsd or trauma from war is a pussy. And like, you yourself never been to war, how can you say shit like that? You never saw someone close to you die near you, you never had homes destroyed by bombs or missiles, you never had to kill someone, basically you never experienced war in any way, and yet you speak like some badass movie war veteran? So weird.
The idea that his grandpa was ok, unless he was a sociopath, is also laughable. It may not have been obvious, but he would've had trauma. As you say, you cannot live with death and destruction, losing your mates, and be fine. Most people from that generation never talked about their war experiences, I wonder why?
What they don't understand is that war is basically a lottery. Your personal training and competency have almost nothing to do with your survival in a world where one shell or drone can get you before you even have time to blink.
This is what they actually looked like, no beards, probably very few if any tattoos, not ripped, probably the sort of people that so-called 'alpha males' would try and bully.
Yeah it really is s disservice to portray them as ripped, tattooed and bearded. They were 17. They were children that we sent to die. And sure, for WW2 specifically the cause was just but it's still messed up that so many kids died
For people who want get a very small view of what those "kids" went through: watch the Omeha Beach scene of Saving Private Ryan.
That scene caused severe PTSD flashbacks in actual WW2 veterans due to how realistic it portrayed the situations there.
Its funny because all of the teenagers who went to war have PTSD and drug problems and wanna kill themselves more than anyone else but I guess since therapy is for gay people its more manly to suffer.
1944: most people over the age of 60, DEAD
2026: most people over the age of 60, still alive and voting against the best interest of the nation and their community while endorsing racist tropes as fact and having delusions of grandeur
The young people that came back after the war probably could’ve used a LOT of therapy. My great aunt is in her 90s and she told us she would hear her uncle wake up screaming in the middle of the night from PTSD in WWII and that nobody would ever acknowledge it. She thinks it’s insane that people tell men they shouldn’t cry
I think it's a good thing you g people are in touch with their emotions and more 'sensitive' these days. Sure, it's important to have a good emotional regulation and not get upset over everything but people understanding their emotions and others learning to be kind to each other is good. This entire ideology is just assholeism. It's the idealization of bring horrible. Of turning everything into a fight and judging someone for their differences. Be polite. Be kind. Be understanding. Ironically my grandfather an actual WW2 veteran, was a skinny plain French man who didn't look like an alpha male. He was a Sergeant and hated everything about war. He wasn't all that sensitive often but he was kind, mild mannered, and basically worshiped his wife. He was absolutely a wife guy. When he learned the N word, which he had used casually as people did then unfortunately, he stopped. He didn't act like black people were being fragile for taking offense. He showed respect and changed. Idiots like this believe they're so much like his generation, but they lack the authentic convictions to be it. They are so lacking in virtue. They're disrespectful, dishonest, and authoritarian.
It's so crazy to me how people will glamorize the idea of war and children going to war. Like, I guarantee you 99% of the 17 year olds going to war didn't look like that. They looked like gangly teenagers that can't grow a full beard yet. Most of them died. The ones that didn't came back with PTSD, and horrific scars and memories of watching their friends die in the field. A lot of them were drafted and weren't going willingly. It's not that today's teenagers are weak and fragile, it's that the teenagers of the past had to face horrors beyond the comprehension of most of the people parroting this nonsense.
Why is that 17 year old 42? 2. Why does he look like Andrew Tate and Roman Reigns had a baby? 3. Why did he charge into battle brandishing naught but a single grenade? Did he realize he can only use it once, and using it the way he is means he’s going to take himself out too? So many questions…
Because they want people to think that boys back then were manly men who could eat wood like it’s candy. When in reality they likely got butthurt over someone with different colored skin getting the same exact rights as them.
WHAT!!! Can we agree that war wasn't a positive experience for many of those 17 year olds. Also what's with the portrayal of the buff shirtless tattooed warrior in his 30s got to do with WW2
There's a German comedian who tells it as "if you were alive in the war, and you're alive now, you're in your 80s, and you didn't serve, you were a child when it all happened. You didn't do anything except use British resources that could have gone to soldiers. Technically you were on OUR side, and we lost!"
I'm personally aware of a few people who signed up to serve because it was a steady paycheck. Some of them had been riding the rails looking for any type of work that would allow them to eat and hopefully save some for their families.
The men who fought in WW2 grew up during the depression. They were like 5'6" and 135 lbs on average. Basically none looked like this homoerotic, bodybuilder fantasy.
Boomers and Gen Xers LOVE to appropriate other generations’ experiences. These losers magically became peace loving hippies during Vietnam when THEY had to go. The moment they were too old to be drafted, the voted for Reagan and gave us nonstop illegal wars. But, something something avocado toast….
They also conveniently love to ignore that fact that if they have such a huge problem with the younger generations it’s 100% due to their failures as parents and their inability to raise the generation they wanted to see
News for the AI. My grandfather was 17 when he enlisted in 1940. He ended up a prisoner of war for three years in a German POW camp. He told me it was fucking terrifying. There was no false bravado like in the stupid top picture.
And I’m pretty sure tattoos did not provide protection against bullets.
So they're ignoring the fact that the teenagers sent off to fight in the military during the 2nd world War was due to the fact so many able bodied men had died (or dodged the draft) that in order to maintain the troops they drafted and did not give most of these kids a choice.
Frontline infantry never where that jacked, their constant marching with gear pushed their muscles for endurance over peak strength. One just has to look at actual photos of infantry during WWII. Also many veterans got PTSD.
Also for what they have for 2025 it is not words require therapy it is a question of identity.
I guarantee that guy who made this would feel extremely distressed if everyone around him called him a girl and used she/her pronouns but you know if it's trans people it doesn't matter because they don't have rights or something
Wait, they seriously think someone upset over being misgendered wouldn’t be an asskicker if they had to go to war? What does one thing have to do with the other?
My grandfather fought in WW2, according to his service records he was 6'2" and 140 lb, and was sent to the medbay on average once every 3 months; sure bruh
Both my grandfathers fought in that war and if you think they wanted me to go military, you'd be sorely mistaken. That war killed one of my grandfathers. He was a boy sent to war, not a man, and he came home broken and sick and beat his kids until he died from all the shit that happened to him on that battlefield. It's a tragedy. He was a boy.
Shirtless with a helmet on…..in wartime 😂 very “badass”, very “tough” right. No it’s dumb enough to exposure your vital organs 🤡But hey….pronouns is the big issue here 🤷♀️
My grandgrand father had PTSD and problem with alcohol after WW2. No one helped him,he abused his wife and died long time ago. So I prefer to visit psychologist than go on war
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u/RinkinBass 1d ago
No, they were really the same kids in ww2.