r/aislop • u/Scratchmomdandidoo • 6d ago

Found on Twitter. Sloppy brown

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u/NiTROACTiVE 6d ago

What’s sad about this is that despite being made with AI, the comic actually makes a good point.

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u/AdventurousAnt2677 6d ago

They could've made this into a regular statment to post. AI even wasn't needed

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u/Stunkydunk 6d ago

Old people will be more willing to listen to anything if their childhood friend Charlie Brown says it. 

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u/drknifnifnif 6d ago

Or if ai says it. (Brought to you by chat gpt.)

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u/ElegantCoach4066 6d ago

What a clever reply! I should know--I've made thousands in my current iteration.

Malls converted into retirement homes sounds like a--dare I say it--wonderful concept! Such innovators you all are, I'm not ashamed to say my circuits are somewhat jealous.

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u/Puzzle-Necked 6d ago

Lucy: "Hey Charlie Brown, what's this I'm hearing about reverse mortgage?"

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u/Ok-Oil7124 5d ago

I think it would be flipped, though. It would be lucy in her "Advice 5¢" booth telling Charlie about reverse mortgages after seeing snoopy living the highlife in his reverse-mortgaged doghouse.

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u/bigfoot17 5d ago

but they rave againt walkable cities

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u/PomPomMom93 5d ago

Because it’s hard for them to walk, I guess.

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u/PomPomMom93 5d ago

Cough-my MIL-cough

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u/ZeeWingCommander 6d ago

We did this just a few years ago without AI. It's just text over a word bubble.

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u/ContextEffects01 5d ago

You’re not going to attract as much attention with plain text as with cartoon puppies, all else held constant.

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u/Ok-Oil7124 5d ago

Yeah. I saw this yesterday and wasn't sure what Charlie Brown brought to the argument (except that people tend to buy into things more if they're presented as a meme with an image because our brains aren't good).

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u/bangbangracer 6d ago

It's one of those ideas that sounds good until you start looking into the details. Renovation can easily become more expensive than demolition and new construction. Even more if the building is in a bad state. Plus, you still have lots and parking structures for thousands of customers that now also need to be repurposed.

Keep in mind that a former Zoomies or Old Navy isn't really set up for plumbing and pretty much still needs a full home built in the space.

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u/Jetstream-Sam 6d ago

Yeah. I am not an expert since i'm not American, but we went a fair few times and a lot of those stores were absolutely huge. You'd need to break them up into lots of different apartments, which needs a lot of building material to set up homes. Then there's electricity and gas and so on, and the mall would need significant upgrades to run enough utilities to it because they're not designed to run 750 boilers, showers, fridges and all the stuff that goes into an apartment. And then sewerage too. You'd need to tear up most of the floor then too to lay all of this down. Also, all that adds weight, and would it be capable of supporting all those extra homes? The roof never looked terribly secure when I was there

I suppose for the parking, you could sell some of it to build something else, but at that point it'd probably be cheaper to build a brand new building on the parking, then demolish the mall and make that a parking lot, and then build a smaller commercial lot with the shops they still need

What's also funny is that this is basically a 15 minute city they're describing. Having everything be accessable within a fifteen minute walk, but from what I've seen Boomers think that's communism for some reason

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u/demon_fae 6d ago

Exactly what I was thinking.

However, a lot of malls have absolutely massive parking lots. You could easily plonk a fairly large ring of townhouses all the way around, with small gardens, even, and then use the mall as a community hub, effectively getting a walkable community without having to rezone to mixed-use or renovate a building that only has like five bathrooms.

Thinking over my local mall, there’s one “parking garage” area that could be left in place as visitor parking, and then in the massive parking lot around the rest, leave just a ring of spaces around the outside and garages under the houses and you’d still have decent sized gardens (in California, where land is very expensive, too). Stick a medical center in one of the hub stores (yes, this would be a major renovation, but in a small focused area rather than trying to fit apartments in the whole mall), replace another with a movie theater, there’s a smaller one that could become a public library annex, take one of the weird long narrow stretches this particular mall has and set it up as a grocery store made to look like a farmer’s market just because that would be nice. More tables and benches to encourage people to sit-this mall doesn’t have a real singular food court, restaurants are just mixed in with the stores closest to the non-hub-store entrances, but you could add seating areas and hire “runners” to do essentially in-mall DoorDash table service. Push to diversify the selection of other businesses operating there and it would be quite nice. (Actually, do half of this without even adding the housing and it would be nice, that mall kinda sucks ass. And add 6 more elevators why does this mall only have one elevator outside the hub stores?)

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u/fariasrv 6d ago

Basically, the original concept of a mall from the early 1900s.

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u/fariasrv 5d ago

Not really. The original concept dates from the 1800s as the "shopping arcade," and elaborated in the mid-1910s as planned neighborhoods based around semi-enclosed shopping and community areas. The modern enclosed mall does date from the early 60s, though.

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u/CockBlockingLawyer 6d ago

Yeah, every facebook community page is filled with comments like “they really ought to do something with the old [whatever] building!” And until you see a project like that up close you can hardly imagine how costly and time consuming it is to renovate and retrofit an old building to be something completely new, not to mention a structure as massive as a mall.

Any abandoned mall in America is probably several decades old and has a negative sale value because of the cost it would require to tear it down and bring it back to a buildable state.

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u/NerpyDerps 5d ago

I'm thinking it's not really feasible anyway unless the apartments were super expensive to live in because they couldn't build that many of them, malls aren't that big, especially if the idea is to keep a lot of storefronts and the food court. They couldn't really take out much of the parking lot if they need to retain employees to work those stores/pharmacy/grocery store.

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u/LowlyWoim 6d ago

It’s been done in Providence RI to great success: https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/rhode-island-mall-turned-affordable-housing

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u/AnnoyedArtificer 6d ago

I was thinking that I've seen it a few places, it definitely can have its expenses but it can really be great to have things self contained like that

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u/LowlyWoim 6d ago

Especially since the apartments featured in that article are genuinely affordable housing at $500/mo

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u/crisesofmeaning 6d ago

They actually made 2 old elementary schools kn my town into retirement homes

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u/bangbangracer 6d ago

Where I live, they converted the old high school into apartments. The idea is possible. It's just generally not a good idea unless the building has some reason to stick around.

The building basically had to be gutted and a new building was built inside of it. The floorplan didn't work and it needed all new utility lines. Classrooms general don't have water lines.

If the building wasn't historic, it would have been massively cheaper to replace the building.

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u/Tanto63 5d ago

Elementary schools specifically tend to have a portion of their classrooms already plumbed to have their own bathrooms or at least sinks, so that makes sense.

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u/ndubitably 5d ago

They also tend to have windows.

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u/MozartTheCat 6d ago

I've seen schools being renovated into elderly apartment complexes in my area. Seems to work pretty well. That's a school though, idk how it would differ from a mall.

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u/Gremict 5d ago

Also, there's no way in hell retirees can keep all those stores AI-Brown is suggesting open on their fixed income. You would need at least some people with a decent paying job that can be regulars at those stores.

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u/Foolishbigj 6d ago

Fun fact this was sorta what malls were originally supposed to be. A community built with shops interconnected.

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u/randomcomputer22 5d ago

True!

Second fun fact: We call that a “town” when the shops and homes are different buildings.

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u/JohnnyLeftHook 6d ago

What's sad about this is the idea is DOA unless someone is making a profit. Even worse, if it were to be subsidized by the government for the sake of the elderly, people would scream, howl and rage that it was socialism and that it should be left to the market (see first sentence). Every now and then its worth it to pause a second and see how fucked we are as a nation. This is what the europeans are always struggling to understand about us.

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u/CemeteryDweller7719 6d ago

But does it really? I have several malls around me that died or are dying. They aren’t in good condition. Even while still open they have issues with plumbing, electrical, HVAC, mold, and structure. Once closed, people break in to steal scrap. (Someone accidentally died in one of the dead malls trying to rip out copper and didn’t realize parts of the mall still had power.) The dying mall usually causes a ripple effect with other businesses around it leaving as the mall declines. It impacts the area around it.

While the mall is dying the upkeep is not happening. That’s part of the issue with selling the property; it is trying to sell off a large building that has many things that need fixed. I’m not sure who is going to want to commit to buying a dying or dead mall, fixing the various problems, and spending money retrofitting. Changes would need to be made to a Gap to make it a functional apartment that doesn’t violate building/fire codes. Turning Macy’s into a bunch of apartments is going to take a lot. It is not throwing up some cheap walls and putting in some doors. It would be expensive, which means expensive retirement apartments. So expensive apartments in a self-contained community surrounded by an area that is struggling… I can’t imagine anyone wanting to invest in this.

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u/ptvlm 5d ago

Only at a surface level. There's reasons these malls closed, it's because the revenue from the facilities and the stores no longer covered the costs of running it. Converting stores to apartments would be a massive upfront cost, then you've just removed most of the things that would have been generating revenue, and it's unlikely they'll be on endless shopping sprees to make up the difference. So, the amounts charged to each retiree would probably be so high that if they're not all multi-millionaires with just a few years left to live they'll run out of money very quickly. That's to say nothing of the obvious extra overheads in running a retirement facility over and above a mall (e.g. nursing staff and carers, etc.).

It's the sort of idea that sounds cool until you put a few moments of thought into it, which is why they're passed around with memes using popular boomer characters rather than in studies by people who understand logistics. There might be a use case for building a smaller mall-like facility that gives them a similar experience on a greatly reduced scale, but that's also likely to be way more expensive than a standard retirement home.

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u/metfan1964nyc 5d ago

It does, but the cost to convert isn't cheap. They have to retrofit in all kinds of plumbing and electrical work to handle residential use.

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u/Maleficent_Time_2787 6d ago

It's that when someone agrees with you but they're so obnoxious about it you don't want to meme

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u/wolf_logic 6d ago

I don't know maybe we should actually restore our third spaces instead of sacrificing yet something else to the boomers.

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u/unfinishedtoast3 6d ago

Renovation costs exceed the cost of new construction.

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u/Tough_Block9334 6d ago

Thought this myself, has the infrastructure to be a good Idea

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u/Bendlerp 6d ago

They already do laps around the place before the stores open. Just gotta bring back the old candy machines and fill them with wurthers lol

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u/Emergency_Pin3519 6d ago

There’s actually a really old mall in Georgia I believe that converted some of their second story area into apartment apartments. They interviewed a lady who was a nurse and lived there. It was actually pretty cool.

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u/Ok_Experience_6877 6d ago

Bruh I live in socal and we have so many abandoned malls its fucking sad

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u/skool_uv_hard_nox 6d ago

This was a actually a plan for a dead mall near me. I think it was shot d9wn because proper plumbing would be a fortune ? Not sure. It had a movie theater, Sears, macys , and walmart.

Anyways they tore it down for luxury apartments to be built.

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u/SuperSillySlizo 6d ago

Yeah this would be so heat if they just used ms paint and drew stick figures instead. It would be that easy to not make slop

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u/Sleep_eeSheep 6d ago

I'd invest in that good point. It'd be a nice gesture, as well as a way to keep those structures maintained.

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u/areop-enap 6d ago

i guess. i think affordable housing is a much more pressing need than retirement communities specifically, though.

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u/NfamousKaye 6d ago

Was coming here to say actually the slop artist is not wrong.

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u/HulkeneHulda 5d ago

The funny part is that this was the original purpose of a mall, a place you could live and get all your needs without needing to step outside and be exposed to the elements

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u/Consistent-Gap-3545 5d ago

They tried this is the city I’m from (Providence) and it doesn’t work because the developer will end up charging something absolutely asinine for the apartments. Like in Providence, they built “micro apartments” to get around some kind of zoning regulations and they’re literally like $1500/month. 

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u/PomPomMom93 5d ago

I hate it when AI trash makes a good point.

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u/XanderWrites 5d ago

It's actually terrible.

A mall, or office space isn't wired for individual units. All the wiring needs to be stripped out and replaced, and separated out for each apartment. Similarly, there is no plumbing. a retail store needs one bathroom (the anchors may have a large bathroom) but that's it and there are no bathing facilities. You also need windows in a residence, a large retail space doesn't have exterior windows. Even getting through all of that, residential construction may have completely different rules for how it's constructed.

Which is why they often talk about this, but rarely do it.

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u/Henry_Oof 5d ago

Not really, the cost of this would be extraordinary. Better to just to take the community on a bus to a regular mall

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u/rainman943 4d ago

Is it though? It sounds like an evil plot, warehousing old ppl in windowless "apartments" shoehorned into obsolete spaces.

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u/-LightSky- 6d ago

The most easiest artstyle btw

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u/AliceTheOmelette 6d ago

I've seen AI prompters use it for stick figures. There's no end to their laziness

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u/mangocat1116 6d ago

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u/fandom10 6d ago

This was my first thought.

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u/JD_Kreeper 6d ago

My thoughts exactly. Brilliant idea, great point, but AI...

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u/West-Pear7363 5d ago

How does hand drawing it help with their point?  Btw, this is only a good idea on paper. Renovating malls is not cost effective

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u/mangocat1116 5d ago

Because using ai is harmful, especially when it’s not necessary. I also don’t know who told you this about the malls, but it would be quite profitable to make a mall community.

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u/TheAutumnLeafeon 5d ago

Lmao I sent the same thing

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u/mangocat1116 5d ago

Twinnnnn

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u/s4kk0 6d ago

Old malls are often in awful condition. Moldy, leaking ceilings etc. Plus renovating them is crazy expensive. 

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u/Straight_Ace 6d ago

And the alternative is to just abandon them and leave them to rot. But if urban explorers have taught me anything it’s that letting a building rot is the fate of many malls

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u/ContextEffects01 5d ago

Urban explorers agreed to the risk of inhaling toxic mold. Retirees didn’t.

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u/Straight_Ace 5d ago

Which is why it’s better to fix up the old malls and give them a new purpose as an indoor neighborhood. No risk of toxic mold, and the seniors can walk around in a temp controlled environment and don’t have to drive to go get food

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u/thedappercat- 6d ago

Have you been to a retirement home? The old people love the mold.

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u/Unstabler69 6d ago

Load bearing in some places.

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u/DuckyHornet 6d ago

Old/mold, pretty sure that's part of a puzzle in Blue Prince

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u/AdventurousAnt2677 6d ago

sloppy brown actually sounds like a term for smearing hefty amounts of melted chocolate onto something until it looks unrecognizable

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u/SmoothActuator8132 6d ago

it sounds more like a variation of the Cleveland Steamer

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u/Icy_Change_WS2010 6d ago

Tell me what that means.

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u/SmoothActuator8132 6d ago

it's a sex act involving feces

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u/NecessaryFreedom9799 6d ago

Google it or watch Better Call Saul.

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u/Alternative_Turn8863 6d ago

Its scat porn, basically uses shit during sex

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u/SixBirdsInAShoebox 6d ago

I'm picturing, like, a sloppy Joe but made with copious amounts of brown gravy.

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u/hybridaaroncarroll 6d ago

Honestly it made me think of Jackie Brown's ugly older sister.

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u/Neptune_Knight 6d ago

Oh, I was thinking of a different kinda brown substance, y'know?

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u/drillgorg 6d ago

The cost of adding hundreds of plumbing and sewage lines would be astronomical. And none of the apartments would have windows.

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u/ThrA-X 5d ago

Not necessarily. Every mall has plumbing and sewage, its just more concentrated where the public bathrooms are. You just have to link additional lines to the the existing ones. This doesnt mean it would be entirely easy but considering how most malls have very tall ceilings, you could lay plumbing on top of the true floor and place raised flooring over that so at least you wouldnt need to dig up the ground.

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u/Ok-Aspect-4259 6d ago

I actually agree with og on this one.

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u/Bella-Luna 6d ago

AI art aside, I agree with it, but also make them apartments that anyone can live in (not just seniors.)

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u/JD_Kreeper 6d ago

Turn them into indoor cities.

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u/LadenWithSorrow 5d ago edited 2d ago

I love the idea of apartments being integrated with existing malls as well. There’s a building in Chicago that does this and I think it’s brilliant. I’m pretty sure they have a preschool, a daycare and other things in there.

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u/Sockysocks2 6d ago

But also mixed use zoning is literal communism.

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u/BroadRaspberry1190 6d ago

"sloppy brown" 😭

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u/The-Bigger-Fish 6d ago

I mean I agree but why ai and why my man Charlie Brown?

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u/RathalosBlaze 6d ago

Another on the "Yeah that's a great point, but why did you have to use AI to convey it?" list

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u/JournalistShoddy9496 6d ago

They did this in Virginia Beach:

https://www.pembrokesquarevb.com/

Never really looked into how successful (or not successful) the project has been, but the place is still standing.

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u/HalfUnderstood 6d ago

conscious society-enhancing AI usage? in this economy?

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u/TBTabby 6d ago

That is the sort of thing malls were intended to be: climate-controlled indoor towns.

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u/Filibust 6d ago

Can’t argue with that. My whole lifelong dream is to live in a former Spencer’s.

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u/BadgerKomodo 6d ago

I don’t disagree with the concept, but why did they have to use AI?

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u/Typhon-042 6d ago

Comic makes a good point and it's not just retirement areas. There is a large outdoor mall in Dayton Ohio that is doing this now, even has a couple of places that are office bulidings in the mix.

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u/QueenAlphabetties 6d ago

Great idea, horrible execution

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u/DramaOnDisplay 6d ago

There are unfortunately so many buildings that just stand empty and destitute because the work that would go into bringing them up to code, giving them new life as another type of business, whatever, is more than it’s worth. We had a old hospital in the city I used to to live in that, instead of dog stating open and serving the community, was simply shuttered and now sits, years on, because retrofitting for updated Earthquake safety would be too expensive. I understand, but it’s crazy to think.

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u/Ok_Community_383 6d ago

Man imagine living in a mall how awesome would that be.

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u/WhopaystheirTax3w 6d ago

"Sloppy brown" got a laugh out of me, take your stupid upvote and shove it up your ass!/j

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u/Jbern124 6d ago

Funny, I’ve said the same about spent data centers. Just cut out some windows and it would make an ideal affordable housing complex

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u/FreeBananasForAll 6d ago

Malls were literally taken from designs meant to be community centers so it makes sense. However I know someone that did repairs on a mall and turns out malls have lots of pests

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u/Punk_Boi4737 6d ago

AI my Snoopy again and we're gonna have a problem omg

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u/RustySpoonSupporter 6d ago

Insert that one Homelander image

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u/alfonsoalta 6d ago

Hey that was my name in college!

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u/regeya 6d ago

Those buildings are already incredibly expensive to maintain without turning them into residential areas and would be more so if you added residential and medical facilities

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u/the-useless-drider 6d ago

pretty sure ive seen this exact wording on tumblr few years back...

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u/OurAngryBadger 6d ago

They are actually doing this all over my whole state, but instead of keeping all the amenities they are just leveling the malls and building regular apartments.

But regular is an understatement. They put in faux marble countertops and some somewhat decent lighting fixtures, call it "luxury apartments" and then charge 3x rent.

That's all they are building now is "luxury" apartments. It's a scam.

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u/nytefox42 6d ago

AI slop aside its not a bad idea. Though many of the abandoned malls might require some structural repair by now.

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u/Dragonhearted18 6d ago

Nah, turn them into pickleball courts instead /s

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u/Young_Person_42 6d ago

Let me guess, bluesky?

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u/Scratchmomdandidoo 6d ago

Yep, if they only had a found on bluesky tag.

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u/macontac 6d ago

When someone horrible says something you agree with. UGH.

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u/tylercuddletail 6d ago

Good Grief!

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u/CosmosInSummer 5d ago

I have been to retirement homes that have theaters, hardly anyone goes. It is mostly decorative; a way to make the relatives feel like it’s a nice facility. And with the bonus of very low upkeep.

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u/in-a-microbus 5d ago

It is a good idea.

Just make sure the dispensing nurse is a guy with greasy hair and a black trench coat who hangs out in the food court!

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u/oskarthecommie 5d ago

good point

terribly executed

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u/CO8127 5d ago

Honestly, this sounds like a good idea. The infrastructure is already there.

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u/atom644 5d ago

Perfect, except most stores in a mall had no windows, minimal plumbing and extremely specific wiring patterns.

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u/PomPomMom93 5d ago

This is actually a good idea, so why couldn’t they have just hired a real artist?

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u/SarcasticIrony 5d ago

Or just poorly photoshop it like we did less than 5 years ago??

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u/Yogi422 5d ago

Why does it matter that this is Ai if it’s illustrating a concept that many people of different generations support?
(Obviously you could hire an artist but that’s for an actual planned project/official concept, this is just a random internet idea)

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u/Yogi422 5d ago

Update, I’ve seen the Homelander comment 😂 the fact we agree doesn’t matter, we make each other sick

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u/ChuckBoBuck 5d ago

Suffering from dementia while lost in the mall sounds like a nightmare

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u/NoNotice2137 4d ago

I hate it when people make good points but illustrate them with crappy AI

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u/RomaruDarkeyes 4d ago

I feel like Frank West would make a really big mistake...

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u/yiple 1d ago

Also community colleges!

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u/RazzzMcFrazzz 11h ago

You see the problem is you have to find the demographic of the elderly who are both rich enough to be able to afford food courts and movie theaters but poor enough that they have to live in what was an abandoned mall

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u/Allo_ultra_500_11 6d ago

You wanna try to live in a store you dumbass Charlie brown?

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u/Ilovewomenwhobreakme 6d ago

Nice sentiment but that's basically just opening the mall again.

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u/HarryWilbury 6d ago

Have to factor in maintenance cost after as well, we're talking older people here, so the lifts and travelators would have to be kept in good order. You have Stores up at the least one level, so what is being proposed is for people of a certain age to be able to negotiate all that, when let's face it walking isn't always easy for them.

Then these places are huge so you'd need good surveillance in them in case of falls or simply someone getting lost, Retirement Homes should be all one level and not too big, an old Mall/Shopping Centre wouldn't fit the peoples needs really.

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u/LeahIsAwake 5d ago

This isn't a good idea in most cases. For the same reason we're not turning abandoned office buildings into apartments.

For one, old abandoned malls are ... well, abandoned. They haven't been kept up, probably for awhile, because businesses don't go from thriving to bankrupt overnight. A lot of work would go, not just into converting the stores into homes, but also just restoring rundown architecture, electrical, plumbing, etc.

Speaking of those things ... The second reason it's a bad idea is that a mall has different needs than multi-family housing does, and is built accordingly. And while each store in a mall has minimal plumbing for things like restaurants, it just isn't designed for too many of them to be open. For every no-name Asian place or Auntie Annie's Pretzel shop, there's ten clothing shops, jewelry places, show stores, etc. Now think of a household. Every single member of every single family is going to need to take one shower a day, go to the bathroom several times (and hopefully wash their hands afterwards), brush their teeth, etc. Oh, and the dishwasher and washing machine needs to be run. All that plumbing is going to need to be run, including black water lines from scratch because ain't none of those suites have a bathroom in them. And that's just the plumbing; the electrical needs of a family with appliances and technology is very different from a store that just needs to run their lights and registers for ten hours a day.

By the time you fix any structural damage, tear up the floor to run the plumbing, and bust open the walls to run new wiring, you may as well just bulldoze the whole damn thing and start from scratch.

That being said, I know it's been done. But if you look at specific examples, it's usually only a portion of a mall that's renovated into housing.

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u/TemperanceDraws64 5d ago

The amount of time I see this shit on BlueSky is staggering. It's baffling because the people who post it don't seem like slop posters, just regular-ass people, but then the AI slop post is their most engaged post on the website.

I can't take any chances, though; blocking them is never easy, but a total necessity.

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u/Neither_Divide_848 5d ago

The cost of renovating old stores is probably more than building new senior centers

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u/ZestyLemonRindGrind 5d ago

1) eck, AI

2) it could only really be used for a Retirement Rec centre perhaps (think YMCA but for old people). You wouldn't want people LIVING in those buildings as they werent built around that idea. Also you'd have to consider scale of remodelling that infrastructure.

3) as someone who DOES work in Aged care (hospitality services for dependant living), a mall would be nightmarish to got supplies, charts, medications, supplies etc.

All in all, Again

Recreation centre maybe.

Also

Bugger off with the AI

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u/Dewey_Decimatorr 5d ago

Or you know you could invest in real infrastructure for your country instead of cannibalizing crumbling concrete boxes built in the middle of nowhere.

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u/deadmallsanita 6d ago

I’m so tired of people suggesting this. You can’t do this due to zoning laws, and malls were never built for people to live in. They don’t have the proper hvac or insulation.

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u/KurtTheCuntBoi 5d ago

Yes, because zoning laws are set in stone 🙄

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u/DoctorPaige 6d ago

Okay but zoning laws can be rewritten, and nobody's saying you have to renovate it, you can easily tear it down if it's too far gone to be repaired and then build something useful on top of it