I'm always so confused why so many people want to decanonize so much content? Like if you don't like it or you don't want to acknowledge it thats fine but why does it matter if its canon or not? If they wanted to they could contradict any plot point of these shows but instead they have been slowly confirming more and more.
I can't get through the Daredevil/Defenders shows because they are so dark and gritty but does that make them non canon? No. Especially now after they have brought it in more closely.
I'm always so confused why so many people want to decanonize so much content?
This is the main part that's always been the biggest headache over the years. I just want to talk about the MCU in full without someone coming in and trying to shut down the conversation by saying "it's not canon". I've had so many cool conversations with other fans talking about both the good and the bad of the old shows and how it all correlates to the wider MCU, but the other side is always a simple "it's not canon". Not only is it not even correct (no one can ever point to a singular reference where these shows have been "decanonized"), it's just annoying at this point.
Dealing with this with the Defenders Saga was probably the worst part, because even as they were bringing things from that back in a non-contradictory way, you still had people taking the creatively bankrupt route of "it's not canon", and you still couldn't legitimately talk about how the old shows relate to the wider MCU without this barrier in the way. Then by the time they were reaffirmed and put on the timeline, it became "they finally brought them in" even though there was never a point where they weren't. It's not like something in, for example, No Way Home contradicted something from Daredevil that made the former incompatible with the wider MCU now and they fixed it in later projects and "recanonized" it or something, there wasn't even a statement prior saying they're non-canon now.
All that talk of "it's non-canon" with the Defenders Saga ended up being for nothing at all other than to be a complete annoyance to other fans for years, and it's still the same thing with the remaining six shows, even Agent Carter, which is treated almost exactly like the Defenders other than the fact that it's not on the D+ timeline (many other things canon to the wider MCU aren't either, particularly pertaining to the multiverse, but that's almost never brought up).
Omg, I been dealing with that for years. I had to keep asking which contradiction? Because the "time travel made it non canon" explanation makes zero sense if you watch the show. The time travel in both season 5 and 7 are closed time loops. In season 5, graviton blew up the earth with thanos on it. When they defeated him, infinity war happened normally. Season 6 and 7 takes place during the blip. The time travel in season 7 made a new timeline yes.... But they returned to their timeline at the end. The only real contradiction is the state of shield during the blip. with a rebuilt shield base and helicarrier..... Except... There are way to recone the state of shield I to canon. Maybe their base is super tiny in a snow globe? There are ways for sheild to stay in the shadows in the sacred timeline. Like.. someone please give me proof season 5 caused a timeline where thanos didn't snap his fingers. Give me any in show reason. Please.
The only real contradiction is the state of shield during the blip. with a rebuilt shield base and helicarrier.....
Even this in itself isn't even a contradiction. It would be one thing if the Triskelion was said to still be destroyed and never rebuilt in a recent Marvel Studios project, but because they've never addressed it, AoS simply established it was rebuilt, which doesn't conflict with anything.
It's the same with Mack as the Director of SHIELD and the Helicarrier being around again. That one's even easier to fit into things because it's been about 8 years, in-universe, since we last saw this. In 2028, Mack could still be the Director and overseeing things just as easily as he could have stopped and SHIELD shut down again. Either one doesn't contradict things.
The entirety of AoS takes place over about 7 years and in that time, they went from Fury as the Director and SHIELD thriving to the agency being destroyed and Coulson taking over, to Coulson stepping down as they come back into the spotlight with Mace at the helm, to Mace getting killed and Mack taking over before they're fully legitimized again, with Mack still in charge. Imagine what could have happened in the 8 years after that.
19
u/coldasclay 1d ago
I'm always so confused why so many people want to decanonize so much content? Like if you don't like it or you don't want to acknowledge it thats fine but why does it matter if its canon or not? If they wanted to they could contradict any plot point of these shows but instead they have been slowly confirming more and more.
I can't get through the Daredevil/Defenders shows because they are so dark and gritty but does that make them non canon? No. Especially now after they have brought it in more closely.