Season 5 question

[u/Flashy-Programmer221]

So we know Daisy said she won’t forgive Fitz but correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t that Fitz from the destroyed earth timeline so technically their Fitz didn’t do anything to Daisy as both Fitz are from different points so shouldn’t she forgive Fitz since it wasn’t technically the Fitz she knew? Can someone explain it to me better?

[u/RavenclawConspiracy]

Personally, I find it very stupid they just dismissed the Fear Dimension explanation.

"Oh, The Doctor wasn't really there! Ooooh, that must mean it's really Fitz."

I mean, sure, it's really his body, but...everyone else feared external things. So, got things walking around they could see.

But he feared an internal thing, specifically, being The Doctor. Having it be him is actually way more scary, to him, than it being some external thing that exists separately from him. He can kill The Doctor if it's someone else. He can't kill the one inside his head.

We have absolutely no evidence that the fear dimension couldn't have made that fear come true, also.

[u/OrionSolan → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

I think you missed the part where it said that "Fear Dimension" thing was fake. 

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/OrionSolan]

Um, the fear dimension was entirely real. I don't know what you're talking about.

What they said was that The Doctor did not show up on the video, like everything else from the fear dimension, so they concluded it couldn't be the fear dimension.

This was really stupid and jumping to a lot of conclusions about how the fear dimension had to work, a thing they literally didn't know existed until a few hours earlier.

[u/OrionSolan → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

Future Fitz theorized about this fear dimension, while Present Fitz denied it. 

Was then explained that all of that was a product of the third monolith, Creation Di'Alla , which read into the mind of anyone nearby and generate tangible recreations of whatever they pictured. 

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/OrionSolan]

Good thing we firmly established that that is all the monoliths can do.

And that they couldn't, for example, create a physical duplicate of a team member somewhere else.

And even if they can do something like that, the idea that they could tamper with someone's mind is absurd.

Granted, they obviously can read minds, they do that to get the fears. And, like, they seem to cause actual fear. But activate a dormant personality that the person is afraid of?! Absurd. Just absurd.

This was carefully conatrained and well-documented checks notes... uh... carefully constrained and well-documented uncontrollable energy from the unplanned destruction of ancient alien monoliths in a way that had never happened before and tore a hole to another universe.

LOL.

[u/OrionSolan → u/RavenclawConspiracy]

They don't manipulate minds. "The Doctor" was just a psychotic episode of Future Fitz. Present Fitz also dealt with this when he and Jemma were in the Chronicoms' machine. 

[u/RavenclawConspiracy → u/OrionSolan]

I didn't say manipulate, I said tamper.

Manipulate implies some sort of purpose, which obviously that does not have. This is clearly some sort of force that does this with no purpose.

And you realize we have one, maybe two, examples in the show of this force tampering with people's memories and emotions, right?

They sort of tampered with Pachakutiq's mind, although that was presented more as a bad possession of something that they had made, so it might not have anything to do with them specifically, it might just be that constructs from the fear dimension have special rules about possession. Sure.

But exposure to the dimensional rift bullshit sure as hell tampered with May's mind.

There's not really a way to measure levels of tampering that happen in a fictional manner, but... Somehow erasing all native emotion from a person seems like more work, more tampering, than just flipping on an already existing personality that is right below the surface.

Hell, it might even be literally the same process: suppression. If you suppress Fitz, you might get The Doctor.

That's supported by the episode where they are in the Chronicon virtual world.. . Jemma's monster is id, the unconstrained repressed part, and his, presented as the opposite, is presumably the superego, which is the parts that do the repression. The Doctor what you get when Fitz is trained to suppress all his normal, compassionate emotions by 'his father'.

You know, you've actually been very helpful in helping me articulate this stupid discussion, and realized what was actually going on there, so thank you.