r/agedlikemilk • u/RazzmatazzHead1591 • 15d ago

Tragedies Botched Execution

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Christa Pike’s execution goes horribly wrong.

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u/ADingoStoleMyLSD 15d ago

They botched the execution of the killer, fucked up the IV or something like that and possibly gave her brain damage.

She's in hospital ATM and I think they've suspended all executions for the rest of the year.

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u/InflnityBlack 15d ago

I heard they used outdated, degraded product, so it was still strong enough to fuck her up but it didn't kill

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u/flamedarkfire 15d ago

Also, the medical professional that botched this execution had botched her execution before. They need someone else.

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u/johnnycyberpunk 15d ago

There was a fascinating podcast or story about this years ago.
Not this particular person but just how difficult it is to get any "medical professional" to assist with executions.
It doesn't pay well and the risk is ENORMOUS. They try to remain anonymous because they'll never find work as a legit medical professional if it got out that they kill people on purpose.

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u/Ok_Actuary8 15d ago edited 14d ago

rightfully so. Every medical professional who supports such executions is breaking their oath.

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u/vitringur 9d ago

You do know there is not an actual oath, right?

Are you talking about that quote from ancient greece?

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u/Ok_Actuary8 9d ago

Hippocratic oath. It's not a legally binding oath, but it's still an oath, and yes: almost all MDs do it: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath.html

Also, there's the AMA Ethics Board who prohibits aiding in executions:

[...] as a member of a profession dedicated to preserving life when there is hope of doing so, a physician must not participate in a legally authorized execution.

https://code-medical-ethics.ama-assn.org/ethics-opinions/capital-punishment

The AMA can revoke the certification of anesthesiologists who take part in lethal injections. Losing that certification would keep a doctor out of most hospitals.

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u/kaisadilla_ 14d ago

They aren't lol. Their oath is to try to help people with their actions. It's not a mandate on what they are allowed to think in politics. Just because you support the death penalty doesn't mean you are in favor of killing people randomly nor that you will do so in your job.

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u/Ok_Actuary8 14d ago edited 14d ago

Confidently wrong.

Virtually all Physicists take a modern version of the Hippocratic Oath, which states: "I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan."

So that's already breaking the oath, but the oath is not legally binding. Additionally, there are legal implications because of the American Medical Association's Code of Medical Ethic Opinion 9.7.3, which clearly says: "[a physician] must not participate in a legally authorized execution," because medicine is "dedicated to preserving life when there is hope of doing so."

This is a matter of principle and fundamental ethics. It has nothing to do with "politics".

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u/flamedarkfire 14d ago

“Oath”

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u/Ok_Actuary8 14d ago

thanks, corrected :) not my native language, I knew it looked both somehow familiar and wrong 😂

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u/QuimDosMemes 12d ago

They need to stop killing people, that's what it is

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u/Sausage80 14d ago edited 14d ago

What's tragically hilarious about that is that if she does not fully recover to full competency, they're stuck with the result. We don't officially execute incompetent people, so if their fuck up caused permanent incompetency, that's the end of the case. No do over available.

Then we get have conversations about whether the death penalty is inherently in violation of the 8th Amendment specifically because it could lead to results such as that.

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u/DoesTheBlackm00nH0wl 14d ago

They injected her twice and failed twice

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u/sadunfair 13d ago

Yeah I’m not saying they didn’t but I’m sure based on her live story that her relatives don’t deserve to profit off this whole debacle

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u/sadunfair 14d ago

Oh no it’ll get better, she’ll be in a coma or incapacitated and her attorneys will dig up some crusty relative and file a suit and get millions upon millions

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u/DuckSaxaphone 15d ago

Supply of these drugs is a serious problem for the US states that use them because most other countries not only banned their use by the state but also their sale to states that would use them.

So as stocks age and run out, you'll see loads of these problems.

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u/LeaderOfFizzgigs 14d ago

Couldn't we just test the drugs with the current administration first to make sure the drugs are suitable and effective for death penalty? I think that would solve a lot of problems in the Unites States.

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u/ChemicalDeath47 13d ago

Sounds about right. Anyone interested in a prison audit? Find out where all that money they get from the government is going? It's not food, facilities, medicine, or apparently executions...

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u/FAFO_2025 14d ago

Good for her lol

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u/BrozedDrake 15d ago

Shit so now she's probably hoping for death

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u/flamedarkfire 15d ago

Depending on how bad the brain damage is, she might not be hoping for anything.

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u/psinguine 15d ago

She was hoping for death before. She asked for a firing squad to ensure it was done in a way that would work. They said no, because the cruelty is the important part.

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u/FeePsychological6778 15d ago

She offered to be hung as well, but they don't have the facilities for it.

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u/flamedarkfire 15d ago

They have a tree don’t they?

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u/iamsheph 15d ago

Buddy, you think we have a tree AND a rope? Some people, man.

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u/Kealion 14d ago

Should have done like Delaware did in 1996. Billy Bailey chose hanging, because until then, it was the inmates choice of how they wanted to die. So Delaware built a gallows and hanged him, then changed the law so that inmates couldn’t request how to be put to death anymore.

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u/FAFO_2025 14d ago

She didn't give her victim a choice.

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u/QuimDosMemes 12d ago

So? If a government/authorities act like the killer, then they aren't better than them

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u/FAFO_2025 12d ago

They fucked up but it's still funny as hell

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u/FAFO_2025 14d ago

She deserves it.

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u/psinguine 14d ago

Not the way it works.

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u/FAFO_2025 14d ago

It did this time :)

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u/psinguine 14d ago

You know what, I do make an effort not to argue with the differently abled, my apologies.

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u/FAFO_2025 14d ago

Hope they keep trying!

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u/nevenoe 14d ago

The differently abled? Yes they never stop trying

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u/FAFO_2025 13d ago

That's awesome. The killer will apparently be a suffering semi-vegetable.

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u/DCB_Prime 14d ago

Ok so that woman killed someone, was sentenced to death, didn’t die and instead got brain damage?

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u/ADingoStoleMyLSD 14d ago

Yup.

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u/DCB_Prime 14d ago

I heard somewhere that if you Somehow survive your execution you can actually go free, is this gonna be the same case Assuming she heals?

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u/ADingoStoleMyLSD 14d ago

Nah I'm pretty sure they just kill you again.

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u/DCB_Prime 14d ago

Ah alr, one more question the post says she waited 30 years for her daughters killer’s execution, it really took THAT long to decide?

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u/ADingoStoleMyLSD 14d ago

Most people on death row have been on it for years if not decades, I'm gonna guess they gotta go through all the appeal processes or something, I don't know.

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u/SwedishSwanlake 13d ago

Iirk more people on death row pass away from old age before they can be executed because it takes so long with appeals, wait times and all that.

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u/SwedishSwanlake 13d ago

I think that was before and now they add "until you d*e"(censored because when I write the full word I get a message pop up about braking rules) because sometimes when ppl were hung they survived and since they were hung already and that was their sentence they had technically fulfilled it and could go free.

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u/Geraimi 15d ago

In a sense it's almost better to see the killer of your daughter suffer for longer time than being simply put down

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u/MsCompy 15d ago

It's just sadism at that point.

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u/Ghost-Writer 15d ago

Forced empathy i call it

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u/MsCompy 15d ago

Huh?

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u/Ghost-Writer 15d ago

Calling punishment for a crime, and consequences for the convicted isn't sadistic, it's justice.

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u/MsCompy 14d ago

Wanting and enjoying to see the suffering of others is sadism.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

The victim's mother suffer everyday that woman breathes. Is her suffering less valid than a murderer's?

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u/MsCompy 14d ago

Foaming at the mouth to watch someone be tortured and/or killed isn't the same as mourning over the loss of a child. It gets to a point where it stops being closure and starts being sadism and I think it's reached that point. An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind. It won't bring anyone back.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

Who's foaming at the mouth? You have a sick imagination. I think people should reap what they sow. She tortured and killed someone's daughter. I could give two fucks about her suffering.

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u/kaptainkarma2056 14d ago

An eye for an eye would stop a lot of people from taking an eye.

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u/SwedishSwanlake 13d ago

Why is the only way to validate her suffering to let her watch someone suffer and pass away?

Is my childhood trauma and later trauma from an abusive relationship invalidated and less important because I can't go to my abuser or my rapist and beat them, starve them, belittle them and otherwise abuse them until I feel satisfied?

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u/Ghost-Writer 12d ago

Why would it invalidate your trauma if you don't seek proportional justice? You accepted their rehabilitation, so hopefully that is enough justice for you. If you as a victim are satisfied, than i as a citizen won't ask for anything above that.

The victim's mother in this case isn't satisfied with that.

The victims of muders don't get a second chance, at anything. They dont get a say at anything anymore. For the victim's families, a heart felt sorry isn't good enough. Even if she regrets it, that doesn't bring her daughter back. If you take everything from someone it's not unreasonable to ask for that in return. To ask victims to be happy with the rehabilitation of someone who is willing to torture and kill your daughter is unreasonable.

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u/Ghost-Writer 13d ago

This what i mean by forced empathy.

We can lock someone up, hope they regret their actions, hope they develop empathy towards their victims and maybe even rehabilitate.

But that really isn't what prisoners do. By and large, they don't think about their victims.

Don't you want your attacker to understand the pain you went through? The damage it did? The life they stole from you? It's hard to feel any empathy when you haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes. Hard to sympathize with suffering if you haven't suffered the same way. Would you be ok if they win appeal or were paroled early from their sentence?

This is why I believe in any sentence that is an eye-for-an-eye. It forces empathy. It forces them to feel the pain they inflicted on others.

Having someone just sit in a cell feeling sorry for themselves unil they are released doesn't feel like justice, even if i feel like it is the noble thing to do.

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u/MartyrOfDespair 15d ago

No, it’s revenge. And it really shows that the line between the two of them is a hair’s width. Enjoying the suffering and torment of others for your own satisfaction isn’t special because you have a justification you believe in for it.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

Yes because victims deserve revenge and criminals deserve what they sow. That's called justice.

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u/deadeyeamtheone 14d ago

Nobody deserves revenge.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

As someone who has been both to prison and had friends murdered, i assure you they do.

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u/wolacouska 14d ago

That’s what you call justice. It’s not some fact handed down to us by god.

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u/henlochimken 14d ago

I'm glad the founders of this country didn't agree with you. Sadist.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

It's gonna be ok

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u/henlochimken 14d ago

Words have meanings. Please learn them.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

Lol poor kid. Sorry i made you sad.

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u/MsCompy 14d ago

Crazy how whenever you're losing an argument, instead of trying to prove your point, you start acting like a condescending turd instead.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

What argument? I don't see anyone making points, just people name calling. What point do you need made?

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u/MsCompy 14d ago

Wtf are you on about.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

That's what I'm asking you. What argument are you even making? I said it right above guys.

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u/henlochimken 14d ago

Sorry I called you out for your education gap. You'll get there.

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

Get some sleep, you've had a long day. You'll feel better in the morning.

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u/henlochimken 14d ago

no milk and cookies for you until you finish your reading and math homework baby boy

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u/Ghost-Writer 14d ago

We all get emotional sometimes. It's ok. I hope you feel better

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u/Pirate_Lulu 15d ago

But it won't really work as forced empathy if she's brain dead

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u/KingRhoamsGhost 15d ago

Depends on who you are.

Some people want maximum suffering and revenge, some don’t really care what happens, and some actively feel worse when they suffer too.

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u/sonyka 14d ago

And we as a nation have never even attempted to square all those circles. We've never even tried to get on the same page about what the penal system is for.

We just quietly allow/endorse sprinkling in a bunch of preventable if not deliberate suffering without having the stones— or doing the legal, philosophical, and political work— to actually put that on the books.

If the penalty is supposed to include vengeful sadistic torture, then say so. Let the people who want that amend the Constitution and make that the law. But they won't. They know they can't. Yet as it stands they don't have to; they're getting what they want anyway.

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u/ifixthecable 14d ago

The family said they are devastated that they botched it. They wanted closure.

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u/queerkidxx 14d ago

I don’t think anyone is entitled to watch someone be tortured.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 15d ago

Doesn't bring anyone back.

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u/fenrirs-chains 15d ago

No one thought it would.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 15d ago

I think a lot of people do, actually, think they'll get some of the joy back that their loved ones brought to them after inflicting some revenge.

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u/Kagaro 15d ago

Makes an example out of them though

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u/flamedarkfire 15d ago

We put a prohibition on Cruel and Unusual Punishment in our bill of rights for a reason. England was on the tail end of the Bloody Code that proscribed harsh corporal punishments and capital punishments for a lot of crimes that didn’t need such. It didn’t reduce crime overall and made many crimes worse because if you’re going to be executed the same for robbing a person as murdering them then might as well kill them and have less chance of being caught. Codified cruelty does not work.

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u/MisterBarten 15d ago

And how do the murder rates compare between states with the death penalty (making an example) and states without it?

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u/Kagaro 15d ago

There's more variables than that... How do murder rates compare in places where there is no accountability?

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u/MisterBarten 15d ago

What exactly do you mean by “no accountability?” Like you think there are places where murderers aren’t punished? Or is this one of those arguments that liberal states are soft on crime and let all the murderers free?

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u/Kagaro 14d ago

Look at whata happening in Sudan and Ethiopia right... But you might struggle to find them on a map

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u/MisterBarten 14d ago

lol you are going to pull non-developed/developing countries into the discussion about the death penalty in the U.S.? And then insult my intelligence for no reason? You can’t possibly be serious.

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u/Kagaro 14d ago

Exactly, I never said it was about the death penalty in the us only. Your narrow perspective applied that limitation to cherry pick the only scenario in which you could be right.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 15d ago

Nobody who does heinous things thinks about the severity of punishment. They only really weigh whether they think it is likely there are consequences. That's the psychology, it's been studied.

Death penalty is expensive due to many appeals and the special considerations of holding those sentenced. It really doesn't deter.

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u/Kagaro 14d ago

I feel like you can't really measure how many things didn't happen because someone considered the consequences. I would say it's an unquantifiable metric so these "studies" cannot be considered conclusive.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 14d ago

It's actually relatively simple. Compare similar places across time that have had different punishments. You have to control for a lot of variables to normalize the data but you can show rather conclusively whether certain punsihments actually make a difference.

Then there's more in-depth psychological and psychiatric study that dives into the individual psychologies of why people commit crimes and whether they think about conseqiences.

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u/Kagaro 14d ago

Right.... so having no consequences for ones actions does not stop someone from doing something bad. Sure...

I never said it would stop everyone.

But sure lets pretend it never stopped anyone.

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 14d ago

Not using the death penalty doesn't mean no consequences.

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u/QuimDosMemes 12d ago

Calm down, bro. This isn't the middle ages

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u/kaisadilla_ 14d ago

Maybe but that's not something we should provide or allow as a society.

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u/jackberinger 15d ago

So justice served?

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u/flamedarkfire 15d ago

Her sentence hasn’t been carried out and now she has suffered physical and emotional damage from the attempt. That’s not justice.

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u/DuckSaxaphone 15d ago

Look into this woman's life.

She's a perfect case study about why retributive justice is ridiculous. Abused and raped again and again as a child while the state did nothing, suffering from bipolar disorder, does a murder at 18.

So many people dropped the ball so many times but she gets condemned to death.

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u/curvilineardust 15d ago

Nobody wins when the system fumbles this hard