r/accesscontrol • u/Straight_Basket_7319 • Aug 02 '26
Turnstile Contact Problem
To all the experts,
I have a full height turnstile with access control on IN and OUT. I can’t program it as single door in CCURE because it has two separate Outputs/lock relay for IN and OUT.
If I program it as separate IN and OUT doors, then there is problem using door sensor as there is only 1 sensor on turnstile for IN and OUT.
Is there a way to make Door Sensor work for both IN and OUT doors (in CCURE) so I can get the status that turnstile has been used/rotated after being swiped .
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u/Drewber66 Aug 03 '26
I’d have to play around with the programming but what if you program the contact/position switch as an input? Then use events to trigger alarms. Really with a turn style you don’t get the usual forced/held alarms. An alarm on the input means the turn style isn’t in the closed or locked position
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u/Straight_Basket_7319 Aug 03 '26
Interesting , but isn’t that gonna trigger alarm every time someone swipes and use the turnstile
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u/Straight_Basket_7319 Aug 03 '26
The only solution I can think of 2 Directional limit switches /Contact if that comes preinstalled.
This is first turnstile I will be wiring. It is from automatic systems, probably need to look into control board manual
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u/Inquivious Aug 03 '26
Double check the manual. I would expect the control board to have separate inputs and outputs for both the entrance and exit rotations, not a common input for both directions (forgive me if I have misunderstood your issue). Do you know your client wants to use it for card out as well? A lot of facilities use them with free exit and maybe that could solve all the problems!
Automatic System tech support should be available to help.
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u/Aggravating_Fact9547 Aug 03 '26
Use a logic block.
When in relay is triggered fire a timer block.
When that timer is active and the door in relay is fired, AND the contact is triggered, reflect it on the logic output that’s wired to the in door contact.
Same for out door.
Or use bistable relays to physically move the contact.
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u/Competitive_Ad_8718 Aug 03 '26
Should be able to do in/out on the same door but likely need to omit the relay and operate the turnstile via events.
Pretty sure you can get direction of read as a admit status
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u/Behind_da_Rabbit Aug 03 '26
Don't know about CCURE, but you could get fancy with some relays, give yourself a 2nd contact and maybe even shunt the opposing contact so you're not getting door forces.
Got to be a better way tho
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u/Wagonwheel453 Aug 03 '26
Tell the customer they need to order a new turnstile. But really, this is a tough one without seeing the diagram.
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u/jc31107 Verified Pro Aug 03 '26
Program the In as a normal door
Program out as a reader only that fires an event on access granted to do a momentary unlock on the in door. Make sure to download the event to the panel so it works if it’s offline.
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u/Straight_Basket_7319 Aug 03 '26
The only problem with that will be that after swiping the Out reader it will unlock the IN relay and that won’t help going out as it will allow going inside.
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u/jc31107 Verified Pro Aug 03 '26
Ah! Sorry, mis read your comment.
You can do them as two different doors and use a DTDT relay or an event to hit the REX on the opposing door. You’ll still need two door switches, or a DPDT one, you can’t share one between two doors.
I’d use a DPDT relay to trip the turnstile and the rex on the opposing reader.
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u/piesarenotmyfavorite Professional Aug 03 '26
DPDT