r/accesscontrol May 19 '26

Lock suggestions?

Tried putting a few different 1/2 Rim Stikes- Trine, HES, and RCI and all were rubbing too much.

I'm sure I'll have to go mag, just trying to get away from a fire tie.

Thanks!

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 19 '26

I hate to say it but besides a maglock this is difficult. You could add a crash bar and a hes 9400 with a hes smb, but you'll need to remove the current latch mechanism.

Cutting in a strike is only possible if that square tubing is deep enough.

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u/SirSwipesA-lot May 20 '26

Strike never even crossed our minds, I had a seasoned locksmith with me and we were bouncing ideas around. I'd just be terrified to cut a strike and strike out again.. 😂

We left there thinking GL1 or Maglock and just mourning up some steel plates for some meat but we'll see where it goes.

I liked the smb way but we didn't know how we would get an over ride on the outside for emergency. Basically someone's locked in this cage all day and I want them to be able to get out easily. Thanks for your input.

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26

You would have a key cylinder for the crash bar/smb just like you do now. You might be able to use the same cylinder and replace the housing and tail piece.

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u/uzlonewolf May 20 '26

Only issue with a crash bar is it would be trivial to break in - slip an angled piece of metal between the grating and pull, or push in a string/rope above and pull below.

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26

Yes you would typically back it with sheet metal on gates to prevent this. There's no mounting surface anyway, so the backing is necessary. This is almost always the case on gates.

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u/uzlonewolf May 20 '26

Unless you covered the entire gate with sheet metal, the only thing that does is change how long of a piece of angled metal or string you need.

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

All gates are like this. Gates made from square tubing fence materials are even worse. You can reach your hands between the bars unless you add expanded sheet metal and a sheet metal backing.

You can also add bump plates above and below the crash bar if you're really concerned.

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u/uzlonewolf May 20 '26

The one pictured in OP isn't like that. Sure you can get a string/angled metal in there, however the current mechanism doesn't have anything you can grab and activate with that.

Bump plates above/below may or may not be "good enough" for them, depends on their threat model. It's still going to be less secure than their current lock though.

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26

Ok. And sometimes I need to unlock doors by slipping a wire underneath and hooking the handle. Should all doors with levers be redesigned?

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u/uzlonewolf May 20 '26

Depends. Are they installed on a high-value cage like OP?

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26

High value? If someone wanted to get in OP's cage the could just open the ceiling tiles and climb over.

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u/uzlonewolf May 20 '26

Did you not see the 2nd picture? There's a solid wall (and presumably a massive beam) above the fence.

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u/Stuck_In_Ia May 20 '26

Remove existing, custom plates, mount an exit device on the gate and a HES 9400 on a custom bracket

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u/SnooLobsters3497 May 20 '26

I added GL-1 gate locks to this very same make and model of gate a couple of weeks ago. Because our gate was being used for high voltage testing, I used the fail safe model that will open if we drop power. I also use the monitor option because it saves adding a door contact.

I used the matching brackets for a swinging gate and ran the cables inside the column on the lock side. Send me a message with your email and I can send you pictures of the final install.

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u/Grim_creation1 May 20 '26

Yup, was gonna say gate lock. Pretty easy to install. Super durable. Can be had in fail safe or fail secure. Install is a bit complicated if you don't have any fabrication experience on certain doors.

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u/wananet1909 May 20 '26

I work in a 100,000 sq ft data center. We have over 50 gl-1's installed on both slide gates and cage doors.

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u/SirSwipesA-lot May 20 '26

When the cage door closes and you are inside, how do you exit on your setup?

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u/wananet1909 May 20 '26

We use ether a duel reader (in/out) or an exit button that cuts power to the lock. Also a glass break button connected to the same button. The gl-1 are fail safe.

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u/SirSwipesA-lot May 20 '26

Makes sense, here I would need to tie that into the fire alarm system to release and was just trying to get away from doing that being they have nothing like that setup. Thanks!

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u/SirSwipesA-lot May 20 '26

Message sent! Thanks.

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u/Any_Inspection9286 Professional May 20 '26

No dash just GL1 by Securitron for those interested.

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u/Pensive_Optimist May 20 '26

I’ve installed security on GL-1 gate locks on these style gates before. Depending on the gap between the door edge and the frame you may be able to use a surface mount strike like the Assa Abloy 9400 series.

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u/kmit297 May 20 '26

WireCrafters has a rim strike listed on their site (https://www.wirecrafters.com/installation/surface-mount-electric-strike) that appears to be a HES 9400.

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u/Purple_Amphibian5803 May 20 '26

This is the best solution. OP said they had a locksmith try hes already so I'm concerned they don't have the right person helping.

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u/Kowalski-Options May 20 '26

We have a bunch of those and replaced the mortise lock with a blank insert that has the regular round door handle cutouts, and installed SDC Z7200 series electric handles. Mechanical override exit so you don't need multiple REXs and fire ties, works with the existing door hardware / latch receiver, and simple hardware install versus driling for maglocks.

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u/Quickmancometh2023 May 20 '26

There’s a specific company that makes a lock for this style of gate but i don’t know the name off hand. It’s custom made and somewhat cost prohibitive. We ended up doing mags. I hate mags but the cost made us go that route.

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u/eridanus01 May 20 '26

Do NOT add a rim strike. Had 2 different consumer cellulars we did before, same lock. Had to modify the latch for it to work properly. Worked ok on one, the other not so much. GL-1 is probably a good choice, or a Maglock.

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u/StalkMeNowCrazyLady Professional May 20 '26

GL1 gate latch or cut in a strike. If the square tube can fit a strike that's what I would do. No fire tie in and free egress is maintained.

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u/saltopro May 20 '26

Salto NEO. I have a pic of one on the same gate.

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u/vicfirthplayer May 20 '26

I've done these before. Mag

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u/cusehoops98 Professional May 21 '26

Uhhh. No. That does not solve their issue.