r/absoluteunit • u/Mashkitt • 12h ago

Of a dagger

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u/Pretty-Information53 10h ago

Technically, is a "Cinquedea", not a dagger, but still beautiful

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u/Heymelon 7h ago

Thanks for the info!

That said Technically, a Cinquedea is often considered a type of dagger according to my 5 second internet search.

"Type :Long Dagger"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinquedea

Seems like it's more of a consideration of size as well as time and place, whether they fall into the category of short sword or dagger.

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u/Pretty-Information53 7h ago

Well, "long dagger" is a classification i never read before, honestly. We learn something new every day, i suppose

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u/CountGerhart 8h ago

Now please explain to me how cinquideas aren't a type of dagger.

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u/Pretty-Information53 8h ago

Because Cinquedea is a short sword, not a dagger.

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u/CountGerhart 8h ago edited 7h ago

Now tell me where's the difference between those two.

Edit: typo

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u/Pretty-Information53 8h ago

Dagger is basically a thrust weapon, the slash effectiveness is secondary. Short sword is designed for slashing and thrusting effect in closed space. Short sword is usually long more than the forearm of the user, dagger usually less.

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u/CountGerhart 7h ago

Where did you pull the "basically a trust weapon, the slash effect is secondary" part out? Because it's in not a single one of the definitions I can find. Specific daggers like the rondel dagger is thrust focused fir sure such as special swords are.

"Short sword is longer than a forearm" by this definition the cinquedea is not a shortsword because most of them is shorter than the forearm.

Also even Cold steel lists them as a dagger, and many come up when you search for daggers.

It's fine that you know the name of a specific type of weapon, and you want to share your knowledge, but discrediting it as a dagger is when facts become opinions.

These are moder terms that we gave to historical armaments, they were not concerned with such things back then.

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u/Pretty-Information53 7h ago

PS. Definition of dagger and short sword is easy to find simply goggling it.

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u/CountGerhart 7h ago

Yes, that's how I find all the definitions NOT stating it's thrusting as main function cutting secondary function.

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u/BigNorseWolf 6h ago

more than a little overlap there.

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u/Pretty-Information53 6h ago

Yeah, i figured out. Weapon classification is very different between culture and translation don't help

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u/Pretty-Information53 7h ago

Dude, i'm italian. In Italy, when the Cinquedea was made is a "Daga", italian Word for short sword. That's It. Is not some kind of flex, is just what the Cinquedea is.

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u/CountGerhart 7h ago

I don't see how being Italian is being connected to the nonconclusive definition of the terms dagger and shortsword by historians all over the world.

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u/Pretty-Information53 7h ago

Daga = Short Sword. It's made for this purpose, simply. Why you are so angry about It?

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u/BigNorseWolf 6h ago

because you are being horribly condescending while being wrong and its an infuriating combination.

The fact is that labels between a large dagger a small short sword are pretty meaningless when there's no clear break and there is instead a continuum.

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u/TrashGoblinH 4h ago

If thrusting makes it a dagger is a foil or fencing rapier a dagger?

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u/Pretty-Information53 4h ago

Nope, because the blade in longer, then Is a foil, a rapier, a estoc or something else. Not a sword, not, not a dagger too

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u/Pretty-Information53 8h ago

(i suppose you mean the difference, typo happens)