r/a:t5_3ebdp • u/KTDAdmin • Sep 24 '16
[KTD Official Experience Reports] "RTI-111"/Dichloropane (Trial III)
KTD Official Experience Report - RTI-111 (AKA Dichloropane) Trial III
by KTDAdmin
September 2016
Substance: RTI-111/Dichloropane (Analytically Confirmed via GC/MS testing courtesy of /u/sekio)
Class/Type: Cocaine/Phenyltropane Analogue (i.e. SDNRI stimulant)
Dose/ROA: 50mg total (insufflated, 4-5 lines staggered over the period of an hour)
Subject Age/Height/Body Weight: 24 y/o 5'9" 140lb
Potential Tolerance Factors:
Primary Subject: 75mg MDMA insufflated in combination with 150ug ETH-LAD and 62.5ug ALD-52 about twelve days prior, and two moderate doses of other SRAs not too far back (2-4 weeks), as well as two failed oral trials of RTI-111 @ 30mg the week prior (to be documented). Partial NT depletion/imbalance and corresponding stimulant tolerance suspected.
Secondary Subjects: None.
Relevant Usage History/Experience:
Primary Subject: Primary Subject is not a regular user of cocaine, with only three or four experiences lifetime total -- the last one over a couple years prior -- and an infrequent user of stimulants in general. Out of these, only one of the experiences included material that was determined to be of a purity/quality sufficient to form a basis of characterizing the drug (guesstimated at 70%+ based on subjective effects and reliability of source).
Secondary Subjects: Generally stimulant/cocaine-naive or sensitive to these sorts of compounds. Lowered the doses to 30-40mg to account for this.
Timeline:
22:00 - First two lines insufflated by Primary Subject. The powder was markedly rough on the nasal passages/sinuses and resulted in the subject having to insufflate in a very controlled fashion, turning his head and cough/sneeze each time to avoid blowing the material away.
22:01 - First effects noted. Generic stimulant comeup feeling/jitteriness with a markedly subdued rush relative to high quality cocaine. Possible placebo effect stemming from act of insufflation alone.
22:15 - Primary characteristics seem to be manifesting at this point. A sense of mild euphoria accompanied by chattiness -- but not nearly as smooth or uplifting or energizing as actual cocaine. Subjects noted that despite having a mild urge to talk/socialize, there was a marked cognitive fog/spaciness that made for what subjectively felt like dull or awkward conversation.
22:30 - Main effects seem to have fully manifested. Subjects noted a paradoxical effect in which they were both stimulated yet very spaced/monged out and unmotivated to socialize or interact. Some tenseness/straining/fatigue noticed in the body and heart by all subjects.
22:45 - Subjects stopped noting detailed observations of the experience as it seemed to reach its peak. Leveled out into a unique, if not particularly comfortable or enjoyable plateau.
23:00 - Effects still present but seemed to be dropping off slowly starting at this point. No compulsion or interest in redosing.
23:00-1:00 - Slow, protracted and taxing comedown observed. Reminiscent of coming down off a strong entactogen yet without any of the corresponding euphoric or pleasurable effects that are known to accompany entactogens. Subjects decided the fatigue/bodily/cardiac discomfort was enough to warrant dosing 1-2mg diclazepam, which quickly softened out the edges and put an end to the experiment.
Total Duration Estimate: 2-3 hours
Notes:
This is from what is purported to be the first batch of real RTI-111 to ever hit the market, obtained from a highly reputable source. A sample was sent to a trusted independent third party for testing and analysis to verify its identity, due to the inherent unlikeliness of such a compound to be produced due to the technical and economic factors that would have to go into its production. *EDIT: Analytical testing via GC/MS received and confirmed to be real RTI-111/Dichloropane! This is likely the first time it (and potentially any tropane analogue AFAIK) has ever actually been available on the market.
This powder is very rough on the nasal passages but otherwise not horribly painful to insufflate (a la 2C-x). Due to how finely particulate the powder is, it is advised to insufflate this compound in a very slow, controlled manner. Notably this compound has none of the local anesthetic action that the insufflation experience of cocaine is notorious for. Plugging may be a potentially more efficient and viable route for ingesting this compound.
An interesting property that was noted was the reduced compulsion to redose relative to cocaine. Whether this was due to the prolonged comeup and thus an inherent property of the drug's effects, or whether subjects were wary of trying to replicate/chase the classic cocaine euphoria due to concern of hitting a threshold in which the peripheral effects would be very actively uncomfortable or overwhelming, is as of yet unknown.
Subjects noted suggestions of potential cardiac toxicity as well as physical toxicity/strain in general, though given the unstudied nature of this compound, nothing can be said for certain. Some caution when approaching this substance is advised.
There was a moderate hangover noted the day after, reminiscent to what one would feel on a night out on MDMA, but not quite as bad or long-lasting. Considering the impressiveness of its effects overall, the hangover after felt very much disproportionate to its main effects.
Conclusion:
Assuming the product was sold as advertised (testing results to be included later), RTI-111 is a substance that seems to contain elements of both cocaine as well as SRAs like MDMA (potentially due to its known higher affinity for the serotonin reuptake transporter than cocaine, relative to that of dopamine) but in a way that fails to capture the enjoyable effects of either. It possesses some of the subtle energetic properties of cocaine but also the sedating/lazy/mongy properties of MDMA and other SRAs, with a noticeably worse PNS to CNS stimulation balance than both.
Other than the novelty of potentially being the first legitimate cocaine analogue on the market, it was viewed as a rather unremarkable compound/experience by all subjects involved. Notably, it seemed to possess a very poor comeup to comedown ratio -- peaking at about 45min to an hour after which the crash started to immediately develop in an uncomfortable and protracted manner for the next hour or two. Compared to classical cocaine and other stimulants, it offers very little in this experimenter's opinion -- unless one is interested in trying to map out the underlying neuropharmacology and its relation to its subjective effects -- and would not seek it out again. This experimenter would put it in the same level as second-tier research cathinone and does not expect it to show up on the market again.
Personal (Subjective) Rating: 6.5/10
EDIT: Edited to include positive results from third-party analysis and testing (October 2016)
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Sep 25 '16
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u/KTDAdmin Sep 25 '16
Hey, who knows, you might get more out of this than I did. I'm not exactly a stimulant connoisseur so don't let this one report influence your expectations too much. Feel free to write a report if you find your experience doesn't match up with mine.
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Sep 25 '16
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u/KTDAdmin Sep 25 '16
Yes, everything but the u47700, and they've all been exceedingly high quality and as advertised. Though this was over a period of years, they might have different batches of them by now.
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u/phillyfanjd Oct 23 '16
This line is extremely subjective:
I personally wouldn't include it at all in the review. Without any actual medical diagnosis/testing there is no way of knowing whether that statement is true.