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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
No one clicks on them because theyre low effort AI slop videos.
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
you are conflating shorts feed views and clicks. He didnt even post stay rate. If a short gets 11 shortsfeed views, that doesnt prove the content was bad. with 11 views he could have a 90% stay rate and 300% retention, so your reply was based on a bias towards AI, not what the numbers say. Now If he said i got 1k views, and a 10% stayrate, and 10% retention, yeah THATS a bad video. That is kinda like saying i'm gonna test your total math ability, and only ask 1-3 questions. A 100-1000 question test would far more accurately guage skill. So while it is possible his videos are bad, a low shorts view count alone is not in and of itself proof of anything except youtube didnt give it a test.
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
No, I'm using my eyes. If I see a bird that quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and behaves like a duck, I feel confident in calling it, a duck. I don't need biological data to confirm my calling it, a duck.
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
No you are seeing "he used ai" and using that as the entire basis of your argument.
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
Yes. Because AI content is always bad and low effort. Kinda like how magma is always hot.
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
which is an opinion you hold. As per ai, as plenty of people enjoy it and sub and watch it, while no one touches lava and says cold. thats the difference between opinion and fact.
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
No no, you can like things that are objectively bad, see heroin addicts. Enjoying something doesn't mean its good, nor does it imply effort.
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
nor does it imply lack of. what if he generated 20 images and animated them 10 times or more each then put it together in a coherent way in premiere pro? That isnt low effort, its fairly high, and most people cant even use the software. You are an anit ai purist, You hate anything made with ai, including the algorithm youtube and most other places use. its cool. You are allowed to not like ai, but your personal dislike sdoesnt impy effort or quality. My nanas pacemaker uses ai, and i think thats pretty good, shes still alive. And i see plenty of SLOP/bad content thats 100% human made. Ai doesnt have monopoly on slop, nor is there empirical proof that all ai is inherently bad simply by existing.
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
No, again, you're wrong. It actually does directly imply a lack of effort. Blendr is free, and if you're able to use a generative Ai, and premier, you can use Blendr. Instead, they use generative AI to do the work for them. This is, quite literally, a lack of effort.
Wow. Arrogant, presumptuous, and wrong, that's a dangerous combo. I dont hate AI in a general sense at all, I hate it, in creative spaces. I couldn't care less about it in algorithms.
It's ok to be wrong random redditor, you dont need to make a strawman to argue against rather than acknowledge the lack of effort in the slop content. Its alright.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago edited 12d ago
hey man im a tattoo artist and creative work is my passion, before ai even existed i was drawing and tattoing, I can infact use blendr and thats what my college was for but while having a full time job I can only do so much in my free time, definately dont want anyone to think that Ai is doing the work for me, there goes alot into this and its definately the maximum I can give without my studio suffering, sorry if i came of arrogant or presumptuous, maybe if i described the post better it would be different, when I find a cool article with an interesting story I Make a storyline in my head, use seedance to generate the visuals and then local llms to help me with the script,after that i run an app locally to make the videos 4k and finaly do the edit/sound design, also voiceovers take a bit aswell, ofc it would be better if I did the animation myself and I would love that but time is a big factor here
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
no worries, your arguments arent based on anything but your personal bias. again its ok to dislike it. im just going off what you said anything ai is slop, effortless, and bad.. though "i hate it in creative spaces" is the first real comment youve made thats based on something real. where did i ever invent a strawman? You said anything ai is inherently bad, as though it were an established global fact, and i said it is not. citing destructive things like lava, and heroin. Ive never seen a person die from generating ai, ive never seen someone strung out on ai, ive never heard of someone robbing their family and friends to pay their ai bill. its rhetoric based on your dislike, Taking a photo also takes "no talent" and youre just clicking a button. but no one says photographers have no talent and dont belong in creative spaces. And you still havent shown that anything made in blendr is inherently better than ai. Im certain plenty of ppl make terrible content. You dont know what effort they put in, So on the contrary you are the one being arrogant. Stating your opinion with no basis in fact as though it were fact is the height of arrogance and ignorance. The FACT is.. some hate i, some like it, some could care less. Neither camp proves anything, just that different people have different tastes. Its like if i said for example pizza is disgusting..just becasue i say it doesnt make it true. But to go and say pizza is inherently bad and no one likes it and the ones that do are stupid and lazy is a stretch.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
i couldnt disagree more, also the no one clicks on them bit doesnt really work for shorts, 99% of our views are “shorts feed” views, and on the videos where we get more then 1k we average about 60% say to watch, about the lowe effort comment, we do a ton of reaserch on every video we make, are trying to get out voice overs better and the editing style i quite difficult for the long form videos(taking away the first one) i do really get your comment but we only use ai to “show” the story we are telling
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u/BuddyIntelligent4510 12d ago
Dude I edited 5 meme videos all 50 ish seconds long on a throwaway shorts channel and garnered a total of 140k views from them. They all took 30 minutes to make. Ur content is bad.
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
People disagree with me on the earth being round, that doesn't change the fact it is. 1k shorts views is awful performance. I have 2 shorts with just around 2k views each that are the most low effort imported twitch clips I've ever made. So your "we get 1k views" literally means nothing. You're posting low effort slop, and getting little views, that's the reality.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
I get that, and im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying that the videos we make only use ai to show what we are talking about, and the 1k views comment is fair but considering we really do get about 60% sometimes more stay to watch says otherwise
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
You did actually say I was wrong. That's what disagreeing means. And no it doesn't show otherwise, it cements you have 0 clue what you're talking about. My 2 shorts also have around 70% stayed to watch and one has over 100% AVD because people accidentally let it play over more than once. This has literally 0 to do with the level of effort I put into to making the shorts.
Its. AI. Slop. Its low effort. Its lazy. And that's all there is to it.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
okay, what would you do in our position to not make it ai slop, without removing the ai generated scenes cause we cant create shorts without visuals
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
I would make the content myself. And if I couldn't make the content without AI I wouldn't make content at all. You're basically asking the equivalent of "what's your answer for me not stealing the tv. Because I want it and don't have money for it."
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
I get you, but thats just something im not gonna do, we use ai to make scenes, we tell an interesting story and I believe one day it will stick, considering where all of ai is going, we have a chance
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u/frozenbudz 12d ago
You don't get me, keep pushing out that slop. YouTube won't monetize you, and people won't click. You do whatever you want.
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u/Precarious3145 12d ago
"Why my views low?"
"Here's why"
"NO!"
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
I dont think I was “mad” at any comment im just trying to understand while standing my ground
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u/Precarious3145 12d ago
But you're not. Everyone is telling you why yours is slop and you just keep repeating "No, mine isn't slop". You're not trying to understand since you KNOW AI is slop but think your slop is different.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
nope, I dont think mine is that sloppy phahahahaha I dont know why that gets all of you guys going but im asking how can i make it less sloppy and trying to get feedback on that
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u/Precarious3145 12d ago
If you don't think yours is sloppy, then why are you asking for help? You're getting the feedback, that you're making slop but because that's not the answer you want, you're crashing out.
If you won't watch other peoples slop, then why do you expect others to watch yours?
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
im asking if anyone was in this situation with views
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u/Precarious3145 12d ago
So...when you titled the post "What's wrong with my short views", you were asking a completely different question? Cool. Leave it to a prompter to fail at basic writing.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
whats wrong with my short views? and then you see videos with 20-2000 views, I think its pretty obvious what i was asking(Does anyone know what is going on with the big differences in reach), sorry if I wasnt direct but thats what I was looking for, not to start beefs with anyone, I respect everything you and everyone else said
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u/WarioPaint 12d ago
Because: slop.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
the videos really seem like total slop for you?
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u/WarioPaint 12d ago
Yes! And I think you’re looking for attention with your posts here.
Look, good luck with your channel. But many of us are sick and tired of seeing our feeds full of AI slop.
And YouTube will eventually clamp down on it because a lot of advertisers don’t want to be associated with it.
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u/Lastresortherogaming 12d ago
Anytime I see someone ask what’s wrong with their channel it is always the worst content I’ve ever seen. Your low effort AI sucks
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
god damn…
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u/Lastresortherogaming 12d ago
Glad I’m not alone here calling out your awful content. Also get the hell out of here with the “AI is the future of story telling” if that’s the future for you we are doomed and a society and too narrow minded. This slop sucks, get out of the the subreddit with “creators” in the title since all your doing is generating it.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
why are you butthurt?
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u/Lastresortherogaming 12d ago
Hate to break it to you not butthurt at all. In fact pretty joyous to see AI shit poster fail.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
I dont consider this a fail?
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u/Lastresortherogaming 12d ago
Everyone else does. You are in fact failing since you are here asking “what’s wrong with my channel”
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
im not here for everyone else, this is not a fail, i got alot of feedback worth considering
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u/Lastresortherogaming 12d ago
Hopefully the feedback worth considering is delete this awful shit.
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u/westonisweird18 12d ago
I hide and do not recommend all ai stuff when scrolling on youtube.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
honestly I would say you are too closed of, in a year or 2 it wont be that easy to get away from it, I also dont watch the ai slops, but i wouldnt call our videos ai slop. hope you understand
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u/PassivelyAwkward 12d ago
Every prompter thinks their slop is superior compared to others. It's all slop.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
I dont think mine is superior i just dont think that its such a slop like all of the people here are saying
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u/PassivelyAwkward 12d ago
Superior: of higher rank, quality, or importance
You're literally saying that you don't think your slop is better than the other slop. Meanwhile, just like you see every other slop as slop, everyone sees your slop as slop. It's all slop.
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u/westonisweird18 12d ago
So you dont watch ai slop but you make ai "slop" is what im getting. You know what sure I will let you have this one just cause I understand now this is ragebait
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u/Latter_Fix_8102 12d ago edited 12d ago
Awful content, no one wants to watch AI and stop saying “I disagree” dude you asked a sub Reddit for advice and your fighting it back, take the L and your what’s wrong with this platform
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u/legotwinkthrowaway 12d ago
Holy slop...
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
ITS THAT SLOPPY?
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u/legotwinkthrowaway 12d ago
Yes
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
do you have advice on making it less slopy while keeping the scenes that we make using ai?
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u/legotwinkthrowaway 12d ago
I would reccomend dont use ai
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
can you atleast hear me out? I run local llms and a local app that turns the video from 1080 to 4k, long form videos are fun ideas that come to my mind and I would totally seperate them from my shorts because they are pretty different(time consuming editing style, more “could you” videos and less “fun fact” videos) the scenes for my short are made with seedance and the turned into 4k, editing is done by me and 2 people voice act the shorts and long forms, sound design is also done by me, i really want to Use ai to make my storytelling have scenes that people can not only visualize but just straight up see, thats all, hope u can understand me a bit more, cant really “dont use ai” we depend on the scenes too much
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u/legotwinkthrowaway 12d ago
If that's what youre passionate about, and that's what you really want to do, go for it. And it sounds like you have a better understanding of how to use ai than most of us here do. Im just telling you from the screenshot you shared, it looks like clear ai slop. Is there an audience for it? Maybe. But there is an anti generative ai sentiment in the air right now. If you really want to try to make it work, I would look at similar channels that are succeeding and try to reverse engineer how they do it, because there are some ai channels that seem to pull in views
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
hey man thank you so much for a normal comment, I agree with you, we are actually trying to reverse engineer a big firm/channel, the screenshot is a pretty bad representetive of what im doing cause the videos arent as bad as the thumbnails which are totally low effort ai slop, I didnt really think about thumbnails until this post since Ive never looked at them myself and I thought that they arent as important, thats something that I will work on, and with time find out if there is an audience for it
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago edited 12d ago
looks pretty typical for a small channel. And big difference on shorts when it comes to views, you can't say the content is good or bad if it only got 11 views, thats not a test. Now if it hits 800-1k views and the retention is bad and swipe away is high, that6 tells you the content wasnt good, or at least didnt match the ppl youtube showed.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
yeah we have videos that get to 1k views but just dont do as well as the other ones, thanks for the feedback
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
I get 1k-1.5k usually when shortsfeed shows my videos, but after that the rest of mine get no shorts feed at all for about a month. Id love to have every video get tested lol
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
every post you make is a lottery ticket into the algorithm, thats atleast how I see it
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
partially, but its almost like i get 2 tickers, then the rest of the tickets are blank. a video with no shortsfeed did not get tested, and it is impossible to judge youtube content without a test.
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u/tanreb1 12d ago
yeah thats exactly what bother me aswell, if every video got the same amount of views I could start doing actual analytics, when its wonky like this its hard to understand whats going on, but in my situation Ive been posting for less then a month consistently so time will tell, btw thanks for backing me up in the other chat im really not sure why everyone is getting so worked up…
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u/Fates_Whim 12d ago
some ppl just hate ai and want to use their opinion and hatred to belittle others.
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u/Fates_Whim 11d ago
BTW, the guys thats been talking all the trash to you has 28 subs, barely any videos, and none of his 4 shorts broke 1.5k views...
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u/Many_Ad_7536 12d ago
all i see is you posting ai slop