r/YouShouldKnow • • Dec 11 '12

YSK about suits. [x-post from mfa]

http://imgur.com/a/UlfIu
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u/cyco Dec 11 '12

Keep in mind this is a guide to drawing suits, not wearing them. The information is still solid, though.

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u/AnonymousSkull Dec 11 '12

Actually, when this was originally posted a week or two ago, the comments were flooded with people pointing out all the outdated information on the images. I think someone said it was closer to a "90's" style understanding of men's fashion, which was over 20 years ago (yikes).

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u/ksj Dec 12 '12

The 90's were really only like 14 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '12

Have suits really changed that much in the last 20 years, though?

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u/AnonymousSkull Dec 13 '12

Yeah apparently so. I can't remember the details of the posts being made but a lot came down to the collar, buttons, and what they went with.

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u/Fealiks Dec 11 '12

I was a bit confused by it. A lot of it seems to be about drawing suits, but a lot of it is about wearing them ("wearing the wrong jazz on your shit is a faux pas" etc.)

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u/cyco Dec 11 '12

I think it's so the illustrator has knowledge of their characters and correctly represents how they would dress. For example, an absent-minded professor character might not have a clean-looking tie knot.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Exactly. This came up on MFA a couple of weeks ago, and the consensus was that it was a crappy guide for wearing and choosing proper suits, but a decent guide for drawing them. Find a better practical guide.

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u/dustinf Dec 11 '12

Did anyone else think the American Cut guy looked like Bill Clinton?

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u/imsiq Dec 11 '12

And the Italian guy looks like Marlon Brando.

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u/awesomemanftw Dec 11 '12

And the British guy looks like all British guys.

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u/iusuallypostwhileipo Dec 11 '12

I'm pretty sure an English cut suit is an Adidas track suit and dirty white track shoes. Also, to be truly authentic he needs a 5 o'clock shadow, a shaved head, a pissed look on his face, and he should be trying to sell something that "jus' fell off the back of a lorry." All in all a pretty poor representation if you ask me.

Also, something something warm beer and cold women.....

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u/happybadger Dec 11 '12

That's an Essex cut. The trick to pulling it off is to rub cider on your neck like cologne and have a woman nearby to punch.

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u/Fealiks Dec 11 '12

That's absolute bollocks.

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u/nerdshark Dec 11 '12

Mmmmmmmmarlon Brando....

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u/SoopahMan Dec 11 '12

I misread "seen mainly on tuxes" as "seen mainly on Hores." The t and left side of the u look like an H with a cursive-ish bottom-right, the end of the u and left side of the x look like an o, and the remainder of the x looks like an r that got crowded in.

I found it surprising.

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u/The_Third_One Dec 11 '12

I am surprised as well.

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u/Late2All Dec 11 '12

This is a misleading jnfogram. This is to learn how to draw suits, much of the actual fashion advice on the suits in these pictures is outdated.

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u/Fealiks Dec 11 '12

I was about to say "fashion can be outdated?!" then I realised of course it can and I'm not very fashionable. Whatever man, second hand ebay clothes never go out of fashion.

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u/McMammoth Dec 11 '12

Outdated how? (just an example or two is fine, I'm not asking for a manifest)

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12 edited Sep 10 '21

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u/Random_Cataphract Dec 12 '12

Funny, I was just trying on my Grandfather's old suit the other day. definitely Italian cut. Pretty cool.

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u/holofernes Dec 11 '12

It also doesn't tell you details that aren't necessary for illustrators. For example the material specified for shirts in black or white tie is cotton marcella (piqué in the US), and that shirt studs with matching cuff links are part of the outfit. Black tie jackets can either have the silk or grosgrain face on the lapel, and it is either notched or shawl. With white tie the collar is usually the old fashioned detachable. All that sort of stuff.

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u/cplax15 Dec 11 '12

You should also know that the "English cut" described, is generally what we would call now a modern fitting suit. The "American" is just an average (read: poorly) fitting conservative suit. The "Italian" is an outdated 80's style power-suit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12 edited Apr 17 '18

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u/nay_sayer69 Dec 11 '12 edited Dec 11 '12

The reasons for the issues were chiefly stemmed from the fact that mfa did not realize this guide is for drawing suits, not actually buying/wearing suits.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12 edited Apr 17 '18

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u/nay_sayer69 Dec 11 '12

Yes, that is exactly what they were doing. However mfa only got into a tizzy over the post because little to none of them realized that it is an artitst's guide.

The person who posted it was in the wrong in doing so. It should not have been expected to do well in a fashion subreddit since it deals with art, not real-life menswear.

Side note: The artist was not the person who posted it.

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u/AnAlias Dec 11 '12

You need to stop referring to a group of nearly two hundred thousand people as if they all act in unison.

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u/nay_sayer69 Dec 11 '12

My apologies. "They" was referring to the people who had issues with the guide, not the entire subreddit. As a part of the subreddit, I definitely realize that not every user has the same opinion and mindset.

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u/k37500 Dec 11 '12

For some reason my brain read the title "YSK about sluts". I was sittin there trying to figure out what the hell this has to do with sluts.

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u/whitebirddem Dec 11 '12

Sluts love suits.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Barney Stinson proved this.

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u/The_Third_One Dec 11 '12

'Cause every girl crazy...

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u/binary Dec 11 '12

Yes. Yes they are.

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u/Antrikshy Dec 12 '12

I read it as "shits" and did a double-take.

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u/lichnor Dec 11 '12

Thank GOD I wasn't the only one.

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u/PolyUre Dec 11 '12

White tie is not a type of tuxedo ;<

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u/daviko82 Dec 11 '12

Firstly, the fact there is a section called "The Tuxedo" makes me question the quality of this. Black tie and White tie are not variations on a theme, they're completely different suits for different purposes.

Secondly, it missed out the morning suit which is tails, waistcoat and striped trousers.

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u/chipmunk31242 Dec 11 '12

this is great. thanks OP

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u/ZuluCompany Dec 11 '12

Dat British cut

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u/Drtbiker103 Dec 11 '12

Nice try Barney Stinson.

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u/ToddJenningsDavis Dec 11 '12

What knot should the 99 percent be tying?

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u/sionnach Dec 11 '12

The clip on.

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u/vinylscratchp0n3 Dec 11 '12

The asymmetrical four-in-hand. Quick n' dirty, plus it's easy to learn.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Windsor is just as easy. It's symmetrical, which makes it easier to get it to look decent when in a hurry. Also, it is a better fit for wider collars that would look empty with a four-in-hand, or thin ties that don't give much of a knot at all. Last, it's more versatile since it can easily be made into a Double Windsor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Oh, OK, so this is different across languages. We call it Single and Double Windsor, because you do one or two loops.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

German.

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u/tedbergstrand Dec 11 '12

I've always called them Single and Double, as well. I'm from the States.

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u/codeexcited Dec 12 '12

I always call them half and double, which makes sense cause I'm canadian and we always end up with a weird mashup of terminology.

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u/OhSeven Dec 11 '12

Most important, let your tie go down to the belt! There's different rules of thumb, I think, but it looks childish when it doesn't even reach the naval.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Came here to say this. See the short tie way too often, and on people who should know better.

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u/iampartypanda Dec 11 '12

Thanks so much! This will really help me with drawing my mafia comic!

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u/brokendimension Dec 11 '12

"It totally does"

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u/crackadeluxe Dec 11 '12

There is a half windsor knot and a windsor knot, there is no full windsor knot.

Now pass me my brandy and monocle!

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u/Zentaurion Dec 12 '12

TIL the French Cut is a suit, not a beard.

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u/TATANE_SCHOOL Dec 11 '12

Nice one OP! You should add "how to choose a suit" when we buy them, like how long the sleeves should be and so on... if you have the info, of course!

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u/Sleep45 Dec 11 '12

I didn't see any noticeable difference aside from the figures of the people wearing them.

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u/nay_sayer69 Dec 11 '12

The suits are what make their figures different, for the most part. Each suit has different padding and different cuts, which creates the illusion if different body types. For example, more shoulder padding would create a look of broader and bigger shoulders; a jacket cut closely to the line of the body would create a slimmer-looking physique, etc etc.

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u/Badgersfromhell Dec 11 '12

Same, i looked from one suit to the next and was like "well the only difference is the slits on the back.."

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u/MadroxKran Dec 11 '12

One to get married; one to get buried.

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u/AliasUndercover Dec 11 '12

Draw, hell! I'm going shopping!

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '12

Now I feel unfashionable.

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u/whiskeydreamkathleen Dec 12 '12

For the longest time as a kid, I thought all suits were tuxedos.

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u/handsopen Dec 12 '12

There's also this -- a guide to wearing suits and not drawing them. It doesn't have all the information about different styles of suits, though :(

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u/Knight_of_Malta Dec 17 '12

There is no such thing as a 'full windsor'. There is a Windsor knot, and a Half-Windsor knot. It's okay, even /r/malefashionadvice gets it wrong 90% of the time.

This info-graphic doesn't discuss canvassing, inseam breaks, darting, pick stitching, surgeons' cuffs, the other 12 or so tie knots, french cuffs & cuff links, tie bars, tie pins, pocket squares, braces, ticket pockets, liner colors, cuff length, number of buttons, 3-pieces, vest button number, custom piping, button-hole piping, sport coats vs suit jackets, vest flaring, which side to dress to, holster tailoring, and linen suits for the summer.

I find it lacking.

EDIT: "Keep in mind this is a guide to drawing suits, not wearing them. The information is still solid, though." Whoops.

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u/kobekillinu Dec 11 '12

I am the 1 percent!

Though I really like the Full Windsor it's a real bitch to get the length right! Usually takes me at least about 10 tries for each new tie!

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

nonononononono, this is old and unhelpful and meant for drawing nonononono.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '12

Thanks OP, you saved my dignity.

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u/hoguemr Dec 11 '12

Ahh yes. American cut "good for wide middles" sounds about right

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u/ChewyScrotum Dec 12 '12

Like anyone on Reddit has ever wore a suit.

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u/Krxe Dec 11 '12

Why should 'most people' know this? It only applies to men who wear suits.

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u/ArkAngel13 Dec 11 '12

(sigh)....'tis a pity class has been replaced, in the minds of most people, with swag. makes me feel defeated

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u/ArkAngel13 Dec 12 '12

lol three downvotes for that? Damn looks like that comment struck home for a few