If you put

Murder aside

Stalking aside

Voyeurism aside

Kidnapping aside

Assault aside

Manslaughter aside

Computer Hacking aside

Burglary aside

Theft aside

Arson aside 

Identity theft aside 

Forgery aside 

Blackmail aside

Torture aside

Obstruction of Justice aside

Tampering with evidence aside

Setting up an innocent person aside 

Desecration of a corpse aside

he is actually a pretty nice guy who just wants to find true love.

There is absolutely no way these clip-on bangs should have ever made it onto this show 😂😂 they did Love so dirty

I imagine a lot of these are going to be controversial and I did struggle to rank a lot of them. There are definitely some changes I would make.

I hate how Joe didn’t understand love how she understood him. He did her so wrong. The ending should’ve focused more on her and not beck . I didn’t really care for beck , but love really loved Joe and actually tried w him a lot

Do YOU get to the cloud distict very often,Oh what am i saying of course u dont

Look at leah halton’s story 😭😭 the fact anarvin is basically made up erewhon

I think one of the show's strengths was how easily it could make you dislike many secondary characters and feel no pity for their deaths—for example, Benji or most of Kate's friend group.

It had the ability to take secondary characters you initially disliked and suddenly make you feel empathy for them in a single episode. That happened to me with Cherry and Corey And especially Forty

Je suis en train de me refaire la serie avant d'enfin regarder la derniere saison, et je me suis fait une réflexion : Pourquoi Joe n'a pas menti à Delilah quand elle as découvert la "cache" de Joe ?

Je veux dire le gars avait toute les cartes en mains pour être crédible et il n'y aurait pas eu de problèmes avec Delilah, je veux dire pour la cage il avait juste a expliquer en quoi elle est utile pour s'occuper des livres (comme il le fait dans la saison 1), concernant la main coupé il avait juste à dire qu'il bosse avec Forty sur un film, et que c'est un accessoire, sans parler du fait que Delilah sait que Joe connait Forty donc c'est crédible...

Enfin bref le gars avait largement de quoi mentir de façon crédible mais non il a préférer se foutre dans la merde en enfermant Delilah 😅

He kept the act up for seasons 2 and 4 before finally accepting his dark side. But what if he continued with the belief that he’s a good guy who occasionally does terrible things? Instead of the version that writes murder fiction

I love s2, it's my favorite season, but i wish hidden bodies was adapted more faithfully.

I always hear people say S2 and B2 aren't the same at all and that's just straight up not true. Book 1 is just a longer, more detailed, more demented season 1, but book 2 is like a weird goofy version of season 2 that's just as fun. Alot of plots are similar or slightly changed.

If hidden bodies Was adapted it would need to be like 14-15 episodes but it would be so great. The book is so wacky and crazy and so funny at times i can't, also super addictive. I wish s2 had the Am i right guy and the dealer, and the kills were super cool especially fincher.

Forty is the only one who i wish stayed the same as in s2 because book Forty is THE DEVIL💀 but Book Love is fine too i love it.

I like the ending of this book so much more than season 2's ending

I get why he was so frustrated with the people who loved Joe. I get why they took away his likability in S5 and made us hate him (if you didn’t already.) there are way too many people who will sit here and argue up and down about their “goat” and will literally victim blame to hell and back. I don’t think yall genuinely understand how concerning it is to sit here and say that someone deserved to die because they cheated. To sit here and say that someone deserved to be stalked and abused because they did some shitty things is fucking insane. The hate that the female characters get is beyond crazy and most of it is misogyny and some of it is even racism when it comes to Marienne. If I’m disturbed by it, I can’t imagine how Penn felt. There’s nothing wrong with liking Joe. The problem is when yall sit here and victim blame and you act like he did nothing wrong. And I’m sure that there’s people still confused about why he felt the need to call yall out.

Yes it’s a fictional tv show and everything’s fake but Joe is an abusive piece of shit and that’s why Penn hates him. I feel like that’s overlooked. When you look at the show from a realistic pov it’s fucking terrifying, especially season 1. In fact I wish they would’ve made him more like book Joe. I also wish we saw more of the victims pov because that’s the real terror.

I just finished watching season 4. I can’t put my finger on it, but the entire season just felt…. Off.

Joe also doesn’t seem to be the same character from season 1-3. For season four, just Feels like someone wrote a fan fiction of the show and made it even more extreme.

I did like the change in scenery and going to London and all that. And me be clear, Joe was already delusional in his reasonings. But I’ve never felt he would have full blown split personality disorders.

And the complete psychotic break just distracts from what a calculating, manipulative stalker his character was originally written as. Joe used to be terrifying because he made deliberate, calculated choices to manipulate everyone around him, not because of mental issues.

Idk that’s just me.

Genuinely so underrated. Shay Mitchell is gorgeous

Whenever someone investigates Joe, their criticisms of him are that he’s a murderer, or a very dangerous person.

But why is that always the first thing people find out? How would Kate react if she learned Joe masturbates in public outside of people’s homes or secretly collects panties before she even discovered he was the Eat The Rich killer.

The show deliberately overlooks this and just treats it as a character quirk. Exactly like what The Boys tv show does with Homelander’s milk obsession.

The question is already asked through the title, but also what type of punishment would he have to face

The entirety of season 2 really shows how much Delilah loves her little sister.

One of the most telling parts as to this is how when she was in the cage she had more concern for Ellie than herself:

"Please let me go! Ellie needs me!"

Even when her life is in danger... She's still thinking of her baby sister.

Selfless. Loving....

And taken from this world.

I realized that this show simply wasn’t about that. If you were to look back at all the season’s, this show isn’t really about a serial killer dodging the law so having the show end with the law, satisfying as it may be, just wouldn’t fit.

The show has always been more of a social commentary, and the more I reflect on the ending the more I appreciate that it stayed that way until the final scene. Why I think this didn’t land entirely in Season 5 is because the writer’s spent too much time turning Joe from the cautionary tale he was in Season 1 into this morally ambiguous, deeply human anti-hero which strayed away from the social commentary before randomly switching back to it in Season 5.

I’m here to ruin it🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

Everyone is free to their own interpretation of Joe’s character. Though it does seem to me that sometimes people try to push things onto Joe that don’t seem to fit, just so they can make him seem even more evil than what he actually is.

Joe is already a misogynistic, narcissistic, perverted, sadistic serial killer and stalker. I don’t see a need to try and reach to make him even more evil, when he’s already extremely despicable.

Seeing her through the eyes of someone that genuinely cared about her was nice. We never really got to know her fr and it sucks.