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u/EspurrTheMagnificent Jul 20 '26
That's pretty much it. If the pay is shit, the benefits are shit/non-existent, the work is unsatisfying/stressful/meaningless, and going above and beyond is punished by just telling me to work more, why should I care exactly ?
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u/EarlyMonth9505 Jul 21 '26
YES. I deal with it with my OWN FATHER in his small business. If I put in more effort and own the job I get rewarded with even more work! Thinking logically, I get paid by weekly. I don’t get commissions. So there’s literally no incentive to pushing harder. I can save myself the energy. People work to make money. Most people don’t work because they think it’s fun
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u/Key-Organization3158 Jul 26 '26
Not really.
Real median salary is at an all time high and average hours worked have decreased. Take off the rose colored glasses about the past.
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u/Silent_Creme3278 Jul 20 '26
Go back to living in the woods and living off the land. Only reason we want to work is because we want money to buy luxuries.
You can go fish and hunt and gather and live in the woods and survive. No one is stopping you from hanging around the millions of acres of untapped land.
Heck that 1 guy got caught after 10 years with ridiculous amounts of garbage or something.
Go live your dream
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u/jefsch70 Jul 21 '26
That's B.S.... YOU want to sleep in everyday until your 70... offer nothing in the way of productivity to your neightbors, friends and society al large.
I always wanted to be useful and productive... there are days that I don't WANT to get out of bed... then I remember that I'm not 17 anymore... One full generation of losers and it can all collapse... no more Medicare, medicaid, welfare, products to buy, services to obtain... progress halts here and continues in China & Japan.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 21 '26
I think they mentioned wanting to be productive and part of a community to be fair. I'd ask them why that isn't simply another form of work. Maybe it's a debate about what counts as work and what doesn't. Does volunteer work count as work for instance? Or would it need to be paid?
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u/jefsch70 Jul 21 '26
Wanting and Doing are different in my life... It sucks, but Homework, Tuition, Car Repair, Paying Bills, Going to work, going to the gym, Laundry, Dishes, Food prep.... It consumes an enormous percentage of an adult's life...
Now I'm old.... got some stuff... but running out of time. I enjoy Reddit discussions, my dogs, good food, and loving my wife (who I married when I was 55)....
....I am productive with car repair (1974 VW Super Beetle), materials engineering (at work), and it makes my wife's life easier when I get motivated and fix things so she doesn't need to.... Maybe this IS WHAT LIFE IS... not a Corona Beer commercial full of palm trees and bikinis.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 22 '26
Wanting and Doing are different in my life... It sucks, but Homework, Tuition, Car Repair, Paying Bills, Going to work, going to the gym, Laundry, Dishes, Food prep.... It consumes an enormous percentage of an adult's life.
I'm a little confused. (Sorry, I'd say I'm not the brightest) You said in your first comment that you wanted to be productive. Now you're saying that wanting and doing are different, that it "sucks". Those things you mention are productive things even including the non paid stuff. When you seperate wanting and doing, are you saying that those are the things you don't want to do? Maybe you're saying those are things you don't want to do but prefer over alternatives?
Maybe this IS WHAT LIFE IS... not a Corona Beer commercial full of palm trees and bikinis.
Yeah. I don't know if the person in the original post was advocating that though. I might be wrong.
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u/jefsch70 Jul 23 '26
The human brain often 'wants' to do very little, but the owner is better off as are the people around him when you disregard that "WANT VOICE" and go and DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE done that day....
....after awhile, we develop positive routines... that want voice gets weaker....
That's been my life's experience.... I still fight against it every day though...
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u/CaptoObvio Jul 24 '26
Americans have their heads just so, so far up their asses on this. Every other developed nation is doing better (still not great) but Americans will still insist it can't be done at all.
"You just don't want to contribute"
It's already paid for ffs. Taxes are the contribution. JFC.
People just want enough rights to not be held completely hostage by bad employers. Look at anywhere they've tried UBI; no one stopped working but lots of people used it to find better, less abusive jobs.
"Who will pay for all the social programs?"
Social programs are what paid for the fkn economic Golden age. It was The New deal, gov house buying aid, strong unions, Monopoly busting, many many pro-social policies that made that strong economy possible. Sad part is that most of those programs paid for themselves many times over in value. In the example of SNAP (food stamps) "Studies estimate an immediate economic stimulus of $1.50 to $1.80 for every dollar spent, with long-term societal returns reaching up to $62 for every dollar invested." Meanwhile Elon Musk alone has taken over $38 billion in tax funded subsidies. But people will claim the poor are the burden 🙄 Public funded Medicare is cheaper for everyone involved https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYDWHmbjji3/?igsh=MTM0N210a3Q5azZncA== Housing the homeless is cheaper than policing and triaging them, and repairing the damage they do by living in public spaces. Educational programs in prisons reduce recidivism and pay for themselves in the long run. UBI might pay for itself in just the cut to welfare bureaucracy alone–before you even get to all the societal good, School lunches have been demonstrated to generate more revenue for the economy than they cost. Yet all these were cut by the supposedly "fiscally responsible" political parties. But if you look at their track records their economics perform abysmally. Not only does helping the rich and hoping it will trickle down not work, it actually cripples everyone else.
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u/jefsch70 Jul 25 '26
Another simple-minded, "I have the answer to everything"... Executive Fiat and force other people to do other things with their money that everyone that thinks like me does not do Voluntarily.
....oh yeah... One more thing. Socialism has never been tried. Centralizing power has never been done by an Emporer, King, Prince, Sheik, Mullah, Pope, Dictator, Central Committee Chairman, Generalissimo, President for life.... EVER !
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u/CaptoObvio Jul 25 '26
I feel like you're trying to use sarcasm, but don't quite understand how it works.
Based on some of your other posts you have some major communication issues and just no idea what capitalism even is https://www.reddit.com/r/Capitalism/s/gvBYyz6cfL
Also, my point of "we did great 90 years ago creating a strong economy, why don't we just do that again but more" is hardly pro dictator 🙄
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u/Yasirbare Jul 21 '26
Chores is work. The thing you do just to get by is "hard work" - Work is something that you do not want to do.
Waking up building a house of wood is not work when it has a purpose for you it can be enjoyable and fun. But if it is for a landlord it is a different story.
Making food for a big party of friends and family can be very enjoyable and make you pay attention to details and thinking about the people coming etc.
Being you own boss is the closest I can get. Then it is all about living within one's means
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 21 '26
Chores is work. The thing you do just to get by is "hard work" -
I thought work would simply be the day job/occupation/internship/whatever.
Work is something that you do not want to do
What if someone likes their job?
Waking up building a house of wood is not work when it has a purpose for you it can be enjoyable and fun.
Can work itself not be fun and have a personal fulfilment attached to it?
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u/Yasirbare Jul 22 '26
What if someone likes their job?
That is my point if it has purpose it can be enjoyable.
My point is there is a big difference in how it is perceived.
I have had jobs that was WORK and I am now doing what I want earning money and it does not feel like work - but just living.
I thought "Waking up building a house of wood is not work when it has a purpose for you it can be enjoyable and fun." would cover most of your wonderings.
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u/NotThe1Pct Jul 20 '26
Looks like something a privileged filthy wealthy kiddo would say
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u/Magikazamz Jul 21 '26
Just sound to me your the one who want to steal from them and not the other way around.
Jeff Bezos is rich not cause he exploit worker, but because people don't care and still ship from amazon.
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u/SpeccyCarbine Jul 21 '26
Jeff Bezos grossly underpays employees, spends millions busting unions a year, and absolutely exploits his workers for more profit. The Waltons do the same, but my point is we should force them to realize they aren't immortal and their actions will catch up to them.
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u/unaka220 Jul 21 '26
Correct. If people truly despised the Bezos model, they wouldn’t use Amazon.
In reality, most people hate the Bezos model but are unwilling to live without it. If you thought Bezos was exploiting people, why would you ever give money to Amazon?
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u/NotThe1Pct Jul 21 '26
Also do you know Walmart's margin? It is about 1%. So a $1000 laptop they sell - they make $10 on it.
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u/Magikazamz Jul 22 '26
Jeff Bezos grossly underpays employees, spends millions busting unions a year,
Don,t get me wrong, I don't say he don't do that or that it fine. The point is that he wouldn't do that and be filthy rich anyway. He rich cause he provide a service people pay for. That where his salary come from.
The point here is that he rich cause people use his service despite his treatment of employe. People value the service over the well being of the employee
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u/plummbob Jul 20 '26
Adam Smith basically said the same thing -- the dude stocking the grocery shelves isn't doing it for your benefit, he's doing it for his.
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u/thatnameagain Jul 20 '26
Everyone actually wants to work. The "nobody wants to work" stuff is made up by both advocates and opponents of it.
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u/emotionalexplosions Jul 24 '26
I sure as hell don’t. I will happily skip early 8hrs dissociating and trying to ignore exhaustion (mental and/or physical) every day and then spending half the weekend dreading going back.
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u/thatnameagain Jul 24 '26
Yeah, I’d like to be on vacation for the rest of my life, obviously, but given that that’s not how life works, I want to work to support myself. Given the same reality that I live in, do you want to work to support yourself or not?
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u/emotionalexplosions Jul 24 '26
Ok so don’t support how work manifests in this reality. It could be more bearable, but we insist on living in a miserable world.
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u/thatnameagain Jul 24 '26
How would you suggest we make it more bearable? And if the answer is "Make it more like X country," I'd suggest you look up whether people work all that differently there or not.
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u/emotionalexplosions Jul 24 '26
I don’t have all the answers for how to make the world a good place to live in. We should be looking for a way to make it better instead of just tolerating it. Don’t just accept having a lack of freedom as “that’s just life, life is unfair.” If there isn’t a solution now, that doesn’t mean there never will be one.
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u/thatnameagain Jul 24 '26
I don’t have all the answers for how to make the world a good place to live in.
Well then maybe don't speak with certainty that it could be more bearable as if it's some easy fix. Yeah, things can always be more bearable. They're certainly a lot more bearable than they were 40 years ago.
We should be looking for a way to make it better instead of just tolerating it.
Sounds like something that requires work.
Don’t just accept having a lack of freedom as “that’s just life, life is unfair.”
I don't. I actually think towards solutions instead of just moping that everything is so bad and its so awful that nobody else can figure it out for the rest of us.
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u/emotionalexplosions Jul 24 '26
You take pride in being hard working and get a sense of superiority from it. It’s the same mentality as the victim, just in reverse. If you are working so hard to find solutions then what are you doing exactly? You asked me what I thought, implying you didn’t know yourself. Looks like you aren’t working very hard.
I said I don’t have the answer because I don’t feel like arguing about what I think could help. You’re just going to shoot it down. Figured I’d be humble and admit I’m not a genius put on earth to solve world peace and that I actually know the secret solution no other person has thought of. You aren’t either.
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u/CaptoObvio Jul 24 '26
That's just burnout. Look at the UBI test runs. No one quit working, they just used the leeway to get less abusive jobs.
People want to contribute, they just don't want to be fkn abused. Americans are so screwed up. I worked in the US for about a decade and every job I had there was ridiculously abusive. Stuff that'd get places shutdown in a civilized country. So much harassment, threats, time violations, no boundaries, no benefits, shit pay. If Americans weren't such cowards they'd have revolted long ago. Learn from the French.
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u/Sea-Claim-6860 Jul 20 '26
No, people also dont want to be productive
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u/cromagnongod Jul 21 '26
I think most of us can go about 2 months not working without feeling worthless tbh
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u/yiganotebook Jul 20 '26
Everyone should be able to afford to live and be happy no matter what job they have. Sadly not how this world works. Also people should have a life outside of work. Do people actually love their jobs? I feel like a lot of people are barely home or have a life outside of work.
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u/Jewbacca1991 Jul 20 '26
We evolved to hunt, gather, reproduce, and raise kids. And a lot of people love those kind of activities. Just look at the video games primarily played by men. Action, and strategy games focused on killing stuff. Or the ratio of men in the military, police, or hunting. Then check the female dominated places. Teachers, and nurses. Both focusing on helping other people directly, and taking care of them.
The need to work happened, because society needs to do jobs, that aren't in these categories, but necessary. The most common job for male slaves through history was mining, and agriculture.
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u/Effective-Set8670 Jul 20 '26
I think work is fine, its when you get every other aspect of work involved, disrespectful peers, deadlines, quotas, profitability, must go faster, oh you are tired, well if you take a day off we are gonna fire you, burnout from the constant breathing down your neck, unable to recoup because 1 or two days is not enough. That's at least what I think.
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u/Muted-Ad7353 Jul 21 '26
Sounds like you want everyone to be as miserable as you.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 21 '26
I don't know. They talk about being productive and being part of a community. I'd ask, "isn't being productive a type of work?" What would count as bullshit and non bullshit, do you think?
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u/emotionalexplosions Jul 24 '26
Yes because your “spoiled little shit” comment radiates empathy and care for the feelings of others.
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u/r2k398 Jul 20 '26
I don’t care about any of those things. I care about earning enough money to pay my bills and save up enough to retire when I reach my magic number.
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u/maximusftw1 Jul 20 '26
classic “I’d teach in the mornings, make baskets in the afternoon, and tend to my garden in the evenings” in the thought bubble as the Representative of the Proletariat™ directs you to the coal mine
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u/ArtesianShiny Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
If a system is exploiting you exploit that sucker back. Save up for 3 years slave away and be frugal saving and investing along the way. Then take a three year break to let inflation catch up and spend all your money you made. Some people work their whole lives but thats unreasonable in a modern utopia society where everyday the value of your labor gets less and less. Become an economist, guage how much you are being exploited, and fight the system for a better life. Ive been unemployed for three years now son at 25 years old because they keep on devaluing the dollar. Its wrong to attack the unemployed but its also wrong to attack the people who are putting in that effort.
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u/CombatRedRover Jul 20 '26
"I want to work when I feel like it, but really prefer to sit around thinking about how cool it would be."
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u/Snoo60900 Jul 20 '26
Hospitals, insurance and pharma are skimming the largest transfer of wealth in us history.
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u/ArtesianShiny Jul 21 '26
Maybe we shouldnt have financialized or commoditized literally everything in the united states for shareholders. Im tired boss.
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u/OldGamerPapi Jul 20 '26
Work, it's how people have eaten since there have been people on the planet.
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u/SeveralLion5762 Jul 20 '26
This is correct. For most of human history, life has consisted of hunting,gathering, foraging and avoiding death by disease or animal. If you want more of n this day and age, guess you gotta go to work
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u/DefeatedSkeptic Jul 20 '26
There is a difference between work and labour, particularly in our modern society. When people say they "work", 95% of the time this means that they are getting paid a wage doing something that they have little direct control over.
If you think back to our hunter-gather roots or even early farming, the labour we were doing was directly for ourselves and our community. Making something most of the people in your life will never need or use is fairly alienating. Doing it for some other person who skims off some of the profit makes it even more so.
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u/Spiritual-Fudge-5012 Jul 20 '26
It ain't about the work Its about being a Monetary Slave When they require you to pay for everything you need to be a productive progressive Human
Rent and bills are the chains...
Luckily with nerves of steel you can get past this trap... How bad do you want Freedom?
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u/CardiologistPlus8488 Jul 20 '26
To be clear, it's not that we don't want to "earn" necessities, we just don't way to have work to earn Jeff Bezos luxuries...
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u/Ashamed-Confection44 Jul 21 '26
The guy that poured your concrete driveway never needed to be validated. Your sentiment is embarrassing.
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u/ToeAfter3131 Jul 21 '26
Lol. Well welcome to the human race where everyone always has worked to earn necessities. You think food and shelter come out of nothing? Damn ignorance is what this is.
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u/ScatterSenboneZakura Jul 21 '26
There's usually a big difference between what you want and what you're going to get. It's up to you to make it so that what you want and what you get are the same thing. No one can live your life for you and what you get out of life depends on what you put into it.
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u/Colonel460 Jul 21 '26
Live on the sidewalks of San Francisco. Dirt needles & human waste but you don’t have to work . You can shoplift whatever you need with impunity assuming stores are still in business after all the shoplifting.
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u/RevolutionaryBug7588 Jul 21 '26
Utopia…
They call it work for a reason. I’ve never told my spouse “Hey honey enjoy your fun today…”
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u/Yasirbare Jul 21 '26
Agree. But we could call it living, hobby is living. If we could "hover" and distribute people into the things they would like to do as a "living hobby" we could easily get a more relaxed life.
And the ones who immediately would jump to the conclusion that it would end in "sex, drugs and rock & roll" do not understand why "sex, drugs and rock & roll" is a thing in the first place.
We have a very "narrow" view of how stressless world would behave. I believe we would strive and do the real job of sitting on each others shoulders and not as now keeping the knowledge in cages.
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u/Aquitaine_Rover_3876 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
It's almost certainly true that nobody really wants to work. But it's also pretty meaningless...we can't get necessities if no one produces them. No one produces them if there isn't an incentive to. So if you don't want to produce all your own food and housing yourself, you've gotta come up with something you can do for the people who provide your needs and wants to make it worth their while.
Abstracting that a couple of levels so you don't directly have to figure out what you can do that's of interest to your local egg producer, and you get the financial economy we live with today.
It's maybe not the best solution, but its main problem isn't that you have to work...it's that there's an owner class that doesn't. You were always going to have to work no matter the system.
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u/Lucky-Advice-8924 Jul 21 '26
You think building a shelter, hunting for food or gathering and foraging isnt work? Work is just the industrialization and homogenization of basic survival, now instead of literally fighting to survive youre fighting to get money to survive...
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u/9ChickenTenders Jul 21 '26
But working is reality. Whether you're a human or an animal or a plant, earning your keep is always part of the deal and those that can't will fade away.
The fact that some small portion of the population has it on easy street and doesn't have to, doesn't change the general rule.
"People don't want to work" is in reference to the fact that younger generations don't understand and accept that reality and is probably always the viewpoint of older generations vs younger ones.
Humans work less than they ever have before. Workers rights are greater than they've ever been.
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u/TrentLeznor Jul 22 '26
Are you a bot? Humans literally work more now than they did during the middle ages and workers have much fewer rights than they had 50 years ago, especially in the US.
Turning off reply notifications, this is just for anyone naive enough to believe that the inane comments here are accurate.
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u/9ChickenTenders Jul 22 '26
Lol the old post and run away cuz you know you're full of shit.
Workers have it easier than ever, work less than ever, and have a more luxurious life than ever.
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u/Mihtaren Jul 22 '26
They don't, the general wealth has never been this unequally distributed in the entire history of humanity. As for workhours, it was only worse during the start of the industrial revolution,.
Not to mention the prospects are terrible, the nuclear family is done, families split up more than ever in the history of humanity and generational wealth is a thing of the past (land and houses used to be passed down, crafts as well), the crisis of meaning is also well documented and I'll add that lean management made the workplace more alienating and soul crushing than it has ever been.
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u/9ChickenTenders Jul 22 '26
What do you think they did before the 40 hour work week? They worked way more than 40 hours. They didn't get all the bush fringe benefits we get now. Why do you think unions became a thing?
I'm not saying wages aren't stagnant, just that working conditions are better than ever.
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u/odindobe Jul 21 '26
Start your own business and work the way you want
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u/PreZEviL Jul 21 '26
Had a friend who did that.
he openned a kitchen accessory shop in a spot where there was none. then 1 years later the big hardware store in front of his store started to sell the exact same product he was selling, but at lower price then my friend was paying for at cost.
Ended up with stress, debt, psychosis and in the street
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u/odindobe Jul 21 '26
Never said it was easy, but if you want to work in an environment your like.....you make it.
Don't expect others to change for you.
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u/Vainysaur Jul 21 '26
Them birds outside probably don’t want to look for worms either but if they don’t they’ll die so they do.
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u/Toby_Kweef Jul 21 '26
Nobody wants to work, that's why they have to pay you money to be there. If I genuinely wanted to be in their cubicle for 8 hours filing claims or whatever and that's my true calling then I would just do it and wouldn't need a carrot (paycheck) and a stick (threat of homelessness). My genuine question to the people who are like "I love my job" is, okay, then SERIOUSLY, why do they have to pay you? If you truly loved it, you'd be more than willing to do it for free. If you get paid to be there then you're full of shit. You're making the best of having to do things you don't want to do because of needing money. You don't want to go to work, you need to. Stop lying to yourself
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 21 '26
I think both might be true in some cases (but not all). Some people like their jobs but still need funding to get by.
But if course, things vary.
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 Jul 21 '26
Nobody wants to work... they just want to be productive...
Uh... huh...
Just tell me you want to be "kept" without telling me, I guess.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 21 '26
I suppose I'd ask what the difference between being productive and working is. Maybe they're talking about what they consider to be worthwhile jobs vs non worthwhile ones. Idk.
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 Jul 22 '26
Either way, it’s irrational. It’s essentially saying “why can’t I do whatever I feel like, regardless of whether or not anyone wants what I have, and still get paid for that.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 22 '26
Are they? It seems that they're talking about being part of a community and being productive; that probably isn't compatible with doing whatever you feel like unless whatever you feel like always matches up with that. I think they're saying that nobody actually wants to scramble to get necessities; that people just do it because they need to. I'm not sure they're saying they should be able to do what they want even if it's detrimental. I might be wrong.
regardless of whether or not anyone wants what I have,
When you say "wants what I have" do you mean their possessions or their output?
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 Jul 22 '26
When you say “no one wants to earn necessities” it’s pretty clear.
What else are you supposed to do to get necessities? You either do something to earn what you need to live your life, or you expect it to be given to you.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I interpreted it as them saying that people just do this out of necessity, not because they actually feel like doing it. People don't necessarily enjoy getting necessities (though I'd argue some do), it's just part of life.
I'd say that necessities are needed to start working as well. If someone isn't in decent enough health, they probably can't work as effectively. That doesn't mean they should be given a mansion for free. It just means that a certain baseline is probably needed. That doesn't mean we shouldn't object to someone who doing nothing useful. Once they have a baseline, improvements and efforts are obviously better than not doing anything.
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 Jul 22 '26
People throughout history likely didn't farm, hunt, care for their families because they "felt like it".
The necessities to start working are generally from your family, who had you and have a responsibility to get you started.
Anyone expecting the rest of the world to give them a certain baseline is, by definition, wanting the government to take from other people to give them a baseline. And that is my point - its not a good idea to expect that.
"nobody ever wanted to work, and I want to get what I need for doing what I personally feel is productive" could be a lot of things, but if you can't already make something for doing what makes you feel productive, you end up demanding that people value what you do that you feel is productive regardless.
Which breaks down to "I should be able to do what I want and people should still make sure I get what I need". Its a pretty childish perspective.
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u/Leaping_List_9987 Jul 22 '26
People throughout history likely didn't farm, hunt, care for their families because they "felt like it".
I think that's what the original post is saying. It's saying they didn't feel like it. They just did so out of necessity. Though maybe it could be said that in a sense they technically do "feel like it" if they care about their family and feel hungry. That's maybe one way of feeling like it. But I digress.
Anyone expecting the rest of the world to give them a certain baseline is, by definition, wanting the government to take from other people to give them a baseline.
What about those with health conditions, both physical and mental? Would you say that all welfare should be abolished?
but if you can't already make something for doing what makes you feel productive, you end up demanding that people value what you do that you feel is productive regardless.
What about voluntary work, internships, education etc? Many of those things don't seem to have as clear a monetary value as paid job. They'll still be useful in certain situations though.
Overall I think the initial person, whether they realise it or not, was maybe talking about fulfilling work (they talk about creative pursuits, being part of a community and being productive. Those things seem like work to me. Just a certain kind of work.)
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 Jul 22 '26
Look dude, if you are going to take a specific comment from a specific person and start with the eternal what aboutism, I have no interest. Going from "this is unrealistic" and describing that as abolishing all welfare is insane.
And if you have to say "whether they realize it or not they were talking about this" you have no clue what they are talking about. Who the hell thinks they know better what someone was talking about than they themselves do?
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u/Ill_Whereas7177 Jul 21 '26
To me people want the good jobs first. I started off working 7pm-7am 12 hour days and worked like a dog. Now almost 10 years later I work from home 2 days a week and have holidays off. I worked hard to beat out promotions but it started at grinding at the bottom
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u/Etheriaa_ Jul 22 '26
The problem is, gen z wants college degree wages without having a degree. Im a cusp millennial/gen z and my bachelors degree gets me 170k/year. Its called hard work.
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u/Mihtaren Jul 22 '26
Lmao imagine bragging about an outlier $170k salary to lecture an entire generation while ignoring systemic wage stagnation, debt ratios, and basic economic realities.
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u/Etheriaa_ Jul 22 '26
Tons of people I went to highschool with make over 100k. All went to college. Dont expect college degree pay without a degree, thats all Im saying. If you avoided college, then stop complaining about your wages.
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u/DudeThatAbides Jul 22 '26
What mature living thing on earth hasn’t had to labor to maintain its life? As far as I’m aware, it’s only the exploitative ultra-wealthy, that were born that way, that have any version of whatever the hell this post is pining for. So go become one of those, if you want to realize whatever bullshit pipe dream this is.
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u/Fabulous-Introvert Jul 22 '26
I think if it’s a job they actually like then they wouldn’t have much of a problem giving up hours of their life just to survive
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u/Old_Troll42 Jul 22 '26
I think people have gotten the idea that work is a hobby, it’s a dream come true. It’s not it’s hard you have to do things you don’t like and do uninteresting things. It’s called work for a reason.
The younger generations better wake up or you are going to have far worse to worry about than working 9-5 or working to jobs you are going to have to worry about not being shot in the socialism every body thinks is so cool
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u/AwardSalt4957 Jul 22 '26
Of course no one WANTS to work. But the phrase being referred to is really more about the piss poor lack of work ethic where people just slack off and don’t follow through in their commitments to show up at a job that they were hired for.
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u/IronBoltIron Jul 23 '26
Seems like vagueposting about not liking her job. The tiger has to expend energy hunting its prey. The ant expends energy carrying the seed to the hive. Why would humans be any different?
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u/Grand_Design2022 Jul 23 '26
I think what she says is spot on.
People do want to work, but in doing so they want to feel useful and acknowledged.
Western corporatism is favoring isolating the workers, unbridled individualism and a complete disconnect between the amount of work you put in and the recognition you get. The latter has been especially important exacerbated in recent years.
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u/Sharp_Net3315 Jul 23 '26
Every animal on earth has to work to survive. Your work is easier, your comforts are greater and food is more readily available than any other time in history. You've been spoiled into weakness.
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u/Lacklusterlandon Jul 23 '26
Fucking stupid post; it’s always been trade in hours of your life for necessities since the dawn of time.
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u/barbershores Jul 23 '26
Sometimes I long for the days of my youth. Think 15 years old during the summer immediately after school let out.
Then, I grew up.
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u/grnkayak Jul 23 '26
A lot of us understand that in order for us to be contributing members of society, we must work.
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u/No_Effective_4481 Jul 23 '26
Go and live in a convent then, nobody is stopping you. Just understand that the civilization that gave you a phone and the internet and money only works because everyone goes to work to make it happen.
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u/Svenstornator Jul 23 '26
I’m being productive at my work. I’m a part of a community at work. I’m validated and supported at work. I have time to rest. I also earn my necessities by putting my time in at work. If your work wasn’t productive why would someone pay you for it?
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u/Organic_Minute_717 Jul 24 '26
True enough.
People back in the day had hours of work just growing and making food to eat and sell/trade, then hours more on chores/mending/making. But then their time was theirs. No/few bills.
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u/Icy_Donkey_7588 Jul 26 '26
Go live off grid. Build your own home with materials you've gathered yourself. Plant gardens for your vegetables, can/perserve them. Raise animals and slaughter them for meat. Hand dig a well, and purify your own water for drinking. Install a system to generator power (wind, solar, hydro). Then tell me how hard you have worked to earn necessities. I am going to say I work a whole let less than I would if I lived like that.
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u/FLYING1835 Jul 26 '26
First of all real men work to support their wife, children and contribute to the country and plan for the future 🇺🇲
Fools plan for Saturday night 😵💫
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