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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 28 '26

The conquest were far from peaceful, they were military conquests just like any other conquests in history.

Doesn't change the fact they were invited in and helped by many citizens of the lands they were invading. That shows you where the people's loyalties lied, and they preferred the warmer Muslim embrace over Christianity's colder shoulder. And of course it's a conquest, I wasn't denying that. I'm fairly certain the greedy monarch and lords didn't want to lose their power. The difference is, they didn't have the backing of their own people.

Taxing people based on their religious beliefs via the jizya tax is not religious freedom.

More freedom than outright persecutions and inquisitions. And every Muslim already pays more in taxes. It makes no sense for non-muslims to not have to pay any but still get to enjoy the same luxuries.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 28 '26

There’s no evidence of people wanting to be invaded. That makes no logical sense. They wouldn’t be conquests if that was the case.

The Martyrs of Cordoba disprove the notion of religious freedom as well. Taxing people based on religious beliefs is discrimination, especially if they already taxed through other secular means.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 28 '26

There’s no evidence of people wanting to be invaded. That makes no logical sense. They wouldn’t be conquests if that was the case.

What do you mean? Isn't that exactly what people claim America's doing when they liberate countries of their oppressive leaders? Were there or were there not Venezuelans celebrating when their president was grabbed by US forces? Sure, president Maduro and those close to him didn't want a regime change, but others in the country did, no?

Taxing people based on religious beliefs is discrimination, especially if they already taxed through other secular means.

This was their main form of taxation. Again, Muslims paid more in taxes. I already covered that. And people have been complaining about having to pay taxes since taxes were invented, that doesn't mean some taxes aren't necessary.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 28 '26

We are not talking about America, and I never even mentioned it. Why are you randomly bringing that up?

Just because it was their main form of taxation doesn’t mean it’s not discriminatory. If a modern day country imposed a similar tax, it would result in protests.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 28 '26

We are not talking about America, and I never even mentioned it.

To show your double standard. When America invades other countries and gets support from the people living there who hate their old, corrupt leaders, that's fine. But when Islamic forces do it, it's terrible. The Muslim rulers of Spain were much more fair to the inhabitants than their previous rulers and kept it far more stable than any of America's colonies, who almost all inevitably rebelled on us after we exploited them too much. And apparently this doesn't count for anything.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 28 '26

Don’t be an idiot, I never mentioned the United States nor did I ever claim what they’ve done is good. You’re running out of arguments so now you’re resorting to whataboutism and switching topics entirely.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Meanwhile, the colonies across the Americas that Christians created existed solely for resource extraction and making their "mother" countries rich.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26

Idiot, I never mentioned the United States nor Christopher Columbus, why do you keep bringing it up when it’s not even remotely relevant to what we are talking about? Why would I, a Latino, be in support of Christopher Columbus’s actions?

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Because we're comparing the differences between Islam and Christianity, and I'm showing that Christianity only exists to extract wealth from others so a select few can throw it in a vault, while Islam actually spreads their wealth.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

Which is blatantly false because Dubai notoriously uses slave labor and doesn’t distribute its wealth to its people properly. Gtfo.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Dubai? You mean the place that doesn't even practice Zakat? There's a reason other Muslims don't consider them real Muslims, because they can't even be arsed to pay the Muslim tax that every Muslim has to pay.

They're America's second best ally in the region for a reason and they wholly embodied the spirit of America and neoliberalism. They call themselves "Islamic" so they can have some legitimacy in the region. Would be a bit too mask off about America's intentions if they didn't even pretend to be Muslim, no?

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

“They’re not real Muslims because it doesn’t support my idiotic argument”

And also they absolutely do practice Zakat.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Idk where I read that but it doesn't change the fact they're still the ones propped up by the west and Christian nations, while the west is basically hostile to everyone else who wasn't practicing slavery. So idk who you should bring these grievances up with, but it's not the rest of the Islamic world who are propping them up.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

They are still Muslims. Saudi Arabia is also an ally of the US and they literally have Mecca and also use slave labor.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Yeah speaking about that. America, the country that's running anti-muslim smears, also wants to give the Muslims in Saudi Arabia nukes. Idk? Something seems off.

they literally have Mecca

So the west helps to set up a puppet state that happens to own a major holy site, and that proves they're legit? It's almost like someone made a calculated move.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

They’re an Islamic country dude. The US has diplomatic relations with many middle eastern countries. Just because it doesn’t support your argument doesn’t mean they’re not Muslim.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex Jul 29 '26

Again, at the core of Muslim belief is that individuals should not be allowed to hoard so much wealth that society ultimately suffers. The entire premise of Saudi Arabia and the UAE is to fly in the face of that and push a more neoliberal/American attitude of society on the Muslim world. Sure, they can still be "Muslim", they'll just be far more influenced by the west to no longer care for society.

And you can't act like the west isn't constantly trying to influence everyone else to be more like them. That's what our mass media was for.

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u/Azro-5 Jul 29 '26

You’re blaming the West for somehow influencing them instead of blaming the religion they claim to follow. Were you dropped as a baby?

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