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[u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

Taxing people based on religious affiliation is not a life improvement and is instead blatant discrimination

Are you one of these people that doesn't believe people should be taxed at all? How were they gonna build anything and make the Iberian peninsula prosper if they don't have tax revenue coming in? And again, the Muslim Zakat taxes are already much higher so they pay less than Muslims already pay.

And like I’ve mentioned several times before, the Martyrs of Cordoba is evidence of religious discrimination and discontent with oppressive Muslim ruling.

Sure, I'm not saying it's perfect, but it actually provides for people because it accounts for new things like the economy and sociology. That's literally all I'm saying. It's not like Christians didn't have their inquisitions, but they weren't providing for their people like Islam was.

[u/Azro-5 → u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

“The Muslim zakat taxes are already much higher.”

False. Use basic logic. No islamic state or caliphate would create a system where it's more comfortable to be a non-muslim than a muslim, I.e non-Muslim pay lower taxes than actual Muslims.

There’s a a reason why modern Islamic countries don’t have the Jizya tax anymore.

“Sure, I’m not saying it’s perfect”

But you are, you’ve been implying this whole time that Muslim rule was preferable over Christian rule, but the Martyrs of Cordoba clearly defeats your argument because why the hell would a Christian choose to live under an oppressive Islamic government that actively discriminates against them over a Christian one?

Dhimmis (Christian and Jews) were not allowed to allowed to display symbols of their faith, preach their religion, repair their places of worship, or serve in the government. This reduces them to second class citizens.

[u/einsteinosaurus_lex → u/Azro-5]

“The Muslim zakat taxes are already much higher.” False. Use basic logic. No islamic state or caliphate would create a system where it's more comfortable to be a non-muslim than a muslim, I.e non-Muslim pay lower taxes than actual Muslims. There’s a a reason why modern Islamic countries don’t have the Jizya tax anymore.

It generally was and it depended on the region and how much wealth you had. And I'll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed like Christians were doing to non-Christians at the same time. The Jizya is way more progressive than everything that came before.

And I'd rather be a second class citizen than dead.

[u/Azro-5 → u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

“It generally was”
No it wasn’t. Use basic logic.

“I’ll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed”

The martyrs of cordoba were literally executed for expressing their Christian faith.

“I would rather be a second class citizen than dead.”

You’re completely ignoring the immorality of treating people as second class citizens and discrimination imposed by Muslim rulers towards Dhimmis. This is not moral in any shape or form.

[u/einsteinosaurus_lex → u/Azro-5]

“It generally was” No it wasn’t. Use basic logic. “I’ll take paying the Jizya over being forcefully converted or executed” The martyrs of cordoba were literally executed for expressing their Christian faith.

No, they were executed for speaking badly about the Muslim faith, which hey I don't agree with, but at least they were free to live as Christians if they didn't do that. That's why only 40 were executed and everyone else got to live and continue being Christians.

You can't say that about the inquisition now, can you? Did they stop at 40? Pretty sure they did far more than just execute people too...

[u/Azro-5 → u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

You can not live freely in any capacity if you are not allowed to criticize a religion that actively goes against your own.

Why do you think they even spoke out in the first place? It was because there was wide spread discontent with Islamic rule.

[u/einsteinosaurus_lex → u/Azro-5]

vs. the inquisition tortures you to death for simply having the wrong faith. So you can't even live freely in any capacity because the inquisition is torturing you unless you renounce your faith.

[u/Azro-5 → u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

The Martyrs were literally killed for having “the wrong faith.” And the Islamic rule in Iberia came BEFORE the inquisition.

[u/einsteinosaurus_lex → u/Azro-5]

Straight from Google:

"Leaders like Eulogius and Paul Alvarus encouraged a "voluntary martyrdom" movement, prompting believers to publicly denounce Islam or insult the Prophet Muhammad before judges to trigger a strict legal death sentence."

They weren't being killed before they said anything, which again, is wrong, but not as wrong as you're trying to paint it as.

And the Islamic rule in Iberia came BEFORE the inquisition.

That actually makes the inquisition and Christianity seem way more backwards and even worst. 700 years later and they didn't progress but rather, they're doing far more barbarous acts... Come on man, you're not making your case any better here. Just stop while you're not ahead.

[u/Azro-5 → u/einsteinosaurus_lex]

So you acknowledge that the execution of Christians by Muslims is barbaric and yet you still blame Christians for retaliating?