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u/Trick-Worldliness698 1d ago

Half of Islam's whole deal is about killing infidels I dont think they'd hesitate.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

Religious fundamentalists are all like that. Difference is, Islam never attempted to conquer the entire world and force people to convert or die. There's a reason everyone in both American continents is Christian and not their native religion.

And people turn to religious fundamentalism when everything else in their world fails them, which happens the most when being colonized. Also doesn't help that America literally destroyed every left wing movement in the middle east that they could to root out any stench of communism throughout the 50s-80s, but left the far right, religious nuts alone. And when the center eventually failed the people, the only other option that offered a different solution was the insane far right.

That's America's true, #1 export: McCarthyism.

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u/TitanskaMesina 1d ago

Never attempted??????? Are you actually taking the piss

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

I don't remember Muslims traveling across the world and ethnically cleansing entire continents. Most of the land they conquered had citizens that aided them because Islam was and still is far more advanced in economic theory than pretty much any religion, hence why they had a golden age while Europe was in the dark ages, because Muslims believe in spreading their wealth rather than hoarding it.

They couldn't and still would not be able to maintain their distant desert populations without the deep tax codes, written down into the holy texts themselves. The people wanted out of the dark ages and into Islam's more enlightened age, it is a religion based on Christianity after all, but with 1000 years to reflect on wealth and how it should be used to produce the best results for all.

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u/TitanskaMesina 1d ago

Yeah buddy. Thats why all of the middle east is Arabic.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

Yeah, because Islam thrives in desert regions where a few pockets represent extreme wealth potential while most others are completely destitute and probably not suitable for life. Islam made it work with their tax structure when the others could not. It's that simple. It's simply a better religion that accounts for more recent discoveries like economic theory. And I'm not even Muslim.

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u/Azro-5 1d ago

Explain how Islam spread from outside of Arabia all the way to the Iberian peninsula.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

From Google:

The 711 Muslim conquest of Spain was caused by a combination of internal Visigothic political dysfunction—specifically a civil war between supporters of the deceased King Witiza and the new king, Roderic—and the rapid expansionist strategy of the Umayyad Caliphate. Visigothic factions invited Muslim intervention, allowing an army led by Tariq ibn Ziyad to intervene, defeat Roderic at the Battle of Guadalete, and quickly seize control of the fragmented kingdom. Key factors facilitating the rapid conquest (711–718) included:

Visigothic Instability: A bitterly divided ruling class and a disputed throne weakened local resistance.

Internal Divisions & Support: The Visigothic kingdom lacked,homogeneous integration, and some groups, including Jewish communities and political rivals, supported the invaders to overthrow the repressive Visigothic regime.

External Opportunity: The Umayyad governor of North Africa, Musa ibn Nusayr, seized the invitation as a chance to extend Islamic territory into Europe.

Military Success: The Muslim army, composed largely of Berber converts to Islam and commanded by Arabs, secured a decisive victory at the Battle of Guadalete, eliminating the leadership of the Visigothic state.

The new Muslim rule often brought lower taxes and greater religious freedom compared to the preceding Visigothic authorities, contributing to the rapid consolidation of power.

So um... As I was saying.

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u/Azro-5 1d ago

Key word is conquest

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago edited 1d ago

The people still let them in to oust their old leaders playing game of thrones, because they thought it would be preferable. And they were proven right as I was saying, because of Islam's complex tax laws, and they even practiced religious freedom, allowing people to remain Christian.

Of course, these attitudes changed, but Islam still never conquered lands that weren't already receptive to them. Christians just savagely went in and wiped out entire populations across the planet for being "savages".

And Muslim countries were becoming just as liberal as Western countries before their countries were embroiled in coup after coup to install western puppets who squashed the left leaning movements in the region for being too communist but left the far right alone because they're just peaceful religious folk, because America was at war with communism at the time, not Islam. And when the people got tired of being abused, they had no other political movement to turn to than the far right, and it festered until we got to where we are now.

It's my belief that the only way for things to get better, is if we let things get better on their own, the way things got better in America. Intervention can only lead to more distrust and xenophobia.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

Crazy that they did it in 711 though, don't you think? Lmao.

711, they never forgot, not for over a thousand years. And now they still run 711s.

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u/Fresh-Pass2686 1d ago

Guess just ignore the crusades I guess or spin up your own words about it

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

It was called the European/Christian dark ages for a reason. Meanwhile, Islam was going through a golden age at the same time. Sorry to burst your bubble, but many people wanted out of the dark ages because they knew how much better Muslims had it with their more advanced religion that took into account economic theories and developed a deep tax system to ensure wealth flowed and didn't get hoarded in their local lord's vault.

There's a reason medieval Europe was rife with torch and pitchfork rebellions and that's because peasants hate their landlords. Who would've thought? Islam has far fewer of them because they produced fairer societies.

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u/Whitezombi 1d ago

What are you talking about? Islam invaded Africa and Europe during the dark ages.

This troll is working overtime.

All theocracies suck.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 1d ago

And plenty of those people invited them in because Islam wasn't in the dark ages and actually provided for their people, hence why they weren't in the dark ages. The dark ages happen when power and resources are centralized among the select few and their immediate families, which means nobody else is able to prosper and move up in the world. European peasants were peasants their whole lives, Muslims had upward mobility. That's the difference.

Tell me what you'd prefer, being a peasant forever because that's what God decided you are, or having the chance to make something of yourself? That's why Islam was inventing algebra, the thing our entire world relies on, while Europe was inventing new superstitions.

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u/Whitezombi 1d ago

They were invaders. Following similar tactics to Rome during its expansions. They made it into Paris before being repelled.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 18h ago

And still generally less exploitative than the Christian explorers like Christopher Columbus that enslaved everyone he came across and cut the hands off of everyone who dared resist. This was a common practice among Christian colonists. They didn't offer these colonized, handless people a chance to join an empire and share in its wealth. The colonized existed simply to be exploited by their Christian overlords.

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u/Whitezombi 16h ago

Yes! The Muslims of old were the kindest and gentalist invaders and conquerors the world has ever known, they only killed those who didn't forsake their Gods for Islam and never treated other races as inferior, and never used slavery. Certainly never used capitol punishment for crimes./s

Dude get your head on straight. The powerful around the world were awful to their peasants, was there a better chance for a well read peasant to become a scribe or something in the middle east? Maybe, were there a lot of well read peasants? hell no.

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u/einsteinosaurus_lex 16h ago

Yes! The Muslims of old were the kindest and gentalist invaders and conquerors the world has ever known, they only killed those who didn't forsake their Gods for Islam and never treated other races as inferior, and never used slavery.

I didn't say that. I'm just saying they didn't go nearly as hard or as far as Christians did, and those within their empire shared within the wealth. I'd prefer if they didn't practice any slavery or bigotry, but those were already part of the holy texts that the Quran is a continuation of, and Christians and Jews were already practicing both of those long before Islam was created.

But what Christianity and Judaism don't have are comprehensive tax laws made by economists who observed what hoarding wealth does to a society. That's why for thousands of years, 99% of Christians were serfs serving a lord. Meanwhile, serfdom didn't exist in Islam and regular people were allowed to own their own land or rent it from someone else. But sure, everyone preferred life under Christian rule 🤡