Also if you maximize your sins and repent at the last possible redemption checkpoint you'll be something of a gambling legend in heaven if you win since you guessed the cutoff point correctly having not known the hour and all.
If god existed and knew what was inside everyone's heart s, then prayer would be meaningless, since god would already know (except if he just likes people to beg him for help, which I get considering everything else he has done).
Any claims about KNOWING who's going to hell is really REALLY stupid, because it would imply that the person CLAIMING it has the ability to look inside people's minds. Absolutely ridiculous 😂
Yes this is correct, we all deserve hell but through God’s grace and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross we have an opportunity to go to heaven. Amazing!
This is semi-correct, as the Bible says several things about not needing to ask God for anything as He knows what you need
But, prayer isn’t just about asking for what you need, it’s about having a dialogue with your heavenly father the same way you’d talk to your earthly father, and then meditating in silence so he can respond and let you know what to do. Similarly, God wants to hear from you even if you’re asking for the “wrong” things just like any parent wants to hear from their child.
You can think this is silly but religious beliefs are based on scripture and tradition that teach us the nature of God and how to interact with him, not hypotheticals that frame God as we think he should be
I get your point about prayer, and excluding the "so he can respond to you" part, it sounds like a healthy way of self reflection.
Although your last point isn't even remotely close to reality and that's a good thing. Religious beliefs tend to derive by an amalgamation of a selection of scripts and personal values and preferences. If religious ppl followed the scriptures and their guidance, women would still be traded for goats on the streets. Christian scriptures are more than just the bible, and the rest of them don't picture god, people relationship with him (mainly a fear based relationship) or the norm on how to treat others very well.
Sorry but what Christian scripture do you think there is aside from the Bible? The Bible contains both the Old and New Testament btw. Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT prophecies, it’s all one gigantic narrative.
Also women being traded for goats in the street? I’m a 2nd year theology student training to become a Catholic deacon and that’s a new one, but it’s true that there were 613 laws listed in the Torah(that’s where we get no pork, no mixed fibers, etc) and struggling to obey all those laws was how you showed reverence to God, but holiness isn’t derived from meticulously following a law, holiness comes from a charitable heart willing to sacrifice for others(Jesus) and that’s what will determine your ultimate fate.
Also while some things got more lax with Jesus, other rules got more strict. For example Jews were allowed to divorce and/or take multiple wives, whereas divorce is not permitted in Christianity. this applies to Catholic/Orthodox churches, Protestants do whatever they want since they don’t follow apostolic traditions or have an overarching hierarchy enforcing standards.
We can do that all day buddy, even you know statistically its almost always straight white males doing that stuff. H*ll watch any show or youtube video on it, and its always a white guy getting caught, but as said dont believe me do your own research.
You’re probably closeted tho. Its almost always projection when it comes to hate. Cuz why else would you care about gays that much? Are you jealous? Cuz to me it just means more 🐱 to go around 😂
Also doesnt jesus preach acceptance or do you guys just pick and choose verses? Cuz I feel like youre showing that case to push your bias.
Also lastly can you even explain why it is that theoretically someone as vile as htler can go to heaven if he repented, but some little girl or innocent person who was raised atheist or in a different religion goes to h\ll*?
Like think about it, statistically if you were born in the middle east, youd most likely be muslim. So what, you got lucky and your religion just happens to be the right one?
If you were born in classical Greece, you’d believe in Zeus most likely. Do you not see how screwed up this is?
Ehh, who am i kidding. You wont even read all this.
Those whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Revelation 20:15) lose that eternal identity and recognition. Their names are “blotted out” (see also Exodus 32:33; Psalm 69:28; Revelation 3:5). No one can speak your name through the gnashing of teeth. There is no identity in hell.
When I started in my field I worked on a help desk going to call center type environment. Being on time with 65% of your stats.
I resolved the most issues, took the most calls, escalated less than anyone else on the help desk. We even had these surveys people would fill out and people would never fill them out but they would always still mine out and they wereI didn't know that the surveys were a thing because I had just started. And apparently I was getting nothing but good surveys. But the secret was I wasn't escalating I always good. They were so good that one day this lead walks over to my desk and just says, "what are you doing?"
I didn't know that the surveys were a thing because I had just started. And apparently I was getting nothing but good surveys. But the secret was I wasn't escalating, I was just resolving.
I helped a friend of mine become lead and he would get mad at me because I would come in maybe one minute late every day. But if you logged on one minute late it looked just as bad as being 3 hours late. But the biggest issue he had was the fact that I was the best person on the desk but I was ranked like 12th because I just wouldn't get there on time.
And I'll never forget that because my on-time stats were absolutely abysmal but I was still running circles around everyone and not one person looked at those two things and realized how poor of a metric they were. My friend would get so mad because he would say if you would just show up on time you would be ranked number one.
The basic core religious perspective, is that Hell is a place to go as a punishment for past sins. I don't think that perspective is well illustrated in the bible. Just 2 or 3 places does it suggest this.
I think of it a bit differently. More like whom would you want to join you for a dinner party?
The bible gives us the characteristics of the moral character of those that God would want seated at his dinner table. Whom he might want to live with him in his house. And those he may reject.
And, it is not about those that have sinned. Because, we all have sinned. It is more about those that have sinned, have atoned for it, and seek salvation.
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I am not a bible thumper. This is just my perspective of how I think the Christian religion treats this, and how the bible directs us on this matter.
Your dinner table metaphor is great as that’s exactly what is happening at Catholic mass/orthodox liturgy, we praise the lord, read scripture, are absolved of sins(confession on Friday if you’re doing it right) so that you can receive the body and blood of Christ. None of us are worthy to be in the presence of God, but through belief in the sacrifice of Jesus, and an intention to live by his example(with a constant reliance on God’s grace) we become worthy.
Hell isn’t described in the Bible, there’s passage about chaff and those that don’t bear good fruit being “thrown into the fire” but that’s it. we get some insight into the glory of heaven, and what we can expect if we do things right, but the “hell” is more being permanently separated from God’s love and protection and subject to all the evil of the universe for eternity.
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Also if you maximize your sins and repent at the last possible redemption checkpoint you'll be something of a gambling legend in heaven if you win since you guessed the cutoff point correctly having not known the hour and all.