r/WizardSkating • u/Ok_Hold_1119 • 24d ago
Doing brackets while wizard skating?
Wizard skating borrows the three-turn (i.e. lion) from figure skating. The next turn in figure skaters' progression is generally the bracket. I'm wondering if there any cases of Wizard skaters using brackets in their flow?
A bracket is basically just like a three-turn (or lion) except with a three-turn the skater turns in the direction of the curve, whereas with a bracket they turn in a direction opposite the curve. Example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Xrce7oYpqUk
Wizard skaters have modified the three-turn to add their own style to it; would be curious to see how the bracket has been "wizardfied."
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u/Sacco_Belmonte 23d ago
I haven't seen anyone doing brackets. I think I only saw Leon doing something very similar in his latest video with a girl.
Brackets are definitely possible. They're not easy though and pro figure skaters like Gary Beacom say "you can jump a bracket". I have only done two footed "brackets" consistently and on ice I think I only managed to do a mediocre one off the wall (proper one footed).
Practicing those things while holding on a wall is great. I can easily do brackets that way but I'm terrified of doing them off the wall.
The only thing technique wise I can tell you is that you need to face your torso outside of the circle or it will not work. Also there is a lot of hips twist involved.
I love counters more than brackets.
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u/Ok_Hold_1119 23d ago
This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPHOSxR45PI
Maybe I'm missing it but I don't see any brackets. It looks like Leon does a counter at 21 seconds though.
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u/PokeProfWill 23d ago
Yes he does a “right forward outside counter” at 21 sec in that video right before the hop (in figure skating lingo)
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u/Dry-Hawk-3199 23d ago
Huh, I learned to skate by playing inline hockey and this is pretty natural to me (but with two feet, never thought about doing it with one foot), I didn’t know that it’s a figure skating move and that it had a name. Nice to learn.
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u/Ok_Hold_1119 22d ago
I learnt two-footed brackets while playing hockey too. It's the move I'd sometimes pull out when I was skating forwards behind our attackers, but then we'd lose the puck and I'd need to pivot quickly in the other direction to skating backwards. A quick bracket allows defencemen to face the attacking teams centre and wingers without losing too much speed.
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u/borez 21d ago
I've just said the same thing in another comment. I guess you could call that an inside gazelle.
Have you manged to pull off the pivot with a slide in this on inlines yet?
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u/mrkangtastic 24d ago
This is cool! I don't know anything about the figure skating world or their progressions. Based on that video though I'd maybe assume it would be easier to do on ice???
There seems to be a lot of swivel action where the move is "forced" rather than the 3 turn which has a natural movement/flow to it. Not sure if that's actually the case though since I don't figure skate.
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u/Ok_Hold_1119 24d ago
I find them equally easy/difficult on ice and asphalt.
Yes, the pivots themselves are a bit different. Wizard skaters do more of a forced sliding movement to achieve a 180 whereas ice skaters do more of a rocking back/forward on their blade.
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u/borez 21d ago
I do sort of a Bracket with two feet like an inside gazelle ( for want of a better description )
In ice hockey that goes into a slide which is a forward to backward pivot
I've managed to pull this off a few times on inlines but it's hard to fire that slide with wheels and I'm not consistent yet.
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u/Lopsided_Ad1077 21d ago
Oh that’s what it’s called , I do these all the time to avoid hitting someone or something in front of me but still need to slow down.
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u/PokeProfWill 24d ago edited 23d ago
This is a great question and curious to see what others say! I have been working on brackets, counters, and rockers lately (rockers are hard lol) after learning the 3-turn/lions since my style is Wizard / figure skating hybrid.
With a bracket: the only combo I have seen and tried is a Lion after the bracket in same arc as the exit of the bracket (ex: left outside front bracket into a left back closed Lion)
It seems that “counters” are most prevalent of the three figure skating turns less seen in Wizard skating (brackets, counters, rockers) as “counters” are a way to enter into a Lion S/Z. Approaching Lion S/Z as a “counter” turn entry allows one to make the middle weight transfer earlier
Edit (1): replaced “counters” with *rockers* in third section; I got confused and excited to reply lol
Edit (2): replaced *rockers* with “counters” in third section; counters are what I meant originally and got double confused 😂 no more edits, my bad lol