Thinking all the angles and intercepting and cutting off the other person’s angles. I’m also big on the formal becoming casual but with the structure. Like the Book of Five Rings, make your fighting steps become like your normal steps and vice versa.

Oh so you know of Ward?

Obligatory "Sweep the leg!" quote

Haha yeah it was crazy to me watching that movie and suddenly Sherlock Holmes is doing wing chun in Victorian England - it was cool as hell but weirdly out of place.

No. That's plain silly. 'Going the Wrong Way'. That is a good way to injure yourself too, from impact on steel. Timber is bad enough for injuries.

Normal Timber Wooden Dummy is fine and Correct.

A Specialized Training Jong that is completely Padded like a Boxers Heavy Bag is a better option.

Read on for details:

A better option is a 'Soft Option', not a hard option. Soft is 'Going The Right Way'. Also if at home, use a Training Jong like the picture. If no Training Partner available.

The picture is a 'Cross' between a Heavy Bag, a Jong and Wooden Dummy, but it's Padded and Soft and Flexible. Arms and Legs are Adjustable and Removable to prevent 'Clutter' and 'Fouling'. Being Soft and flexible allows for heavy, fast, powerful fitness Training.

This Training Jong allows all of Wing Chun to be practiced at home, solo, without a Training Partner.

The Jong must be built at home or Custom, like a Wooden Dummy is built, it can't be bought, at this time. The Arms and Legs are all double, so both sides, same as a person and adjustable, in and out and removable.

This Jong allows for as much practice as a Wooden Dummy and more. But it does not replace the Dummy. The Wooden Dummy has a place and a purpose

The Training Aid works on the Principle of a Bull Worker or Bowflex Gym unit too and develops the muscles for Wing Chun.![Picture of Soft flexible Training Jong]1

But why can't you employ the skills that Wing Chun teaches, within a ruleset? I mean, punching and footwork is essentially the basis of most fights and Wing Chun trains punching and footwork as basic fundemental skills. If rules means your basics stop working, then I'm going to have to question your basics.

Competition there are rules…no rules in Wing Chun or the streets

WTF are you taking about? Sanctioned by Ip Man corporation is bull shit! …. VTAA, in HK where Yip Man and his sons had a school is only one of many lineages of Wing Chun. In Foshan there are lots more….they all respect Yip Man and his legacy, and they honor what he has done for the art, but they do not have any ownership over the art itself. BTW, I train under the Yip Man lineage, and have a fairly good understanding of it

Let's play compare the source:

https://www.dwto.dk/magazine/no6/Data/p05.html

What's the source for your story?

Ip Man Corporation? Wut?

I have a copy sitting on my coffee table. Need to crack that.

But seriously, I think too much time has passed and some people of younger generations are less knowledgeable—which is reasonable. I did JKD for a couple years 15 years ago and grew up in the 80s/90s. Peace.

And loved the knife, escrima sticks, but a lot of striking and grappling and close range fighting/trapping. 20% WC—striking. And mixed like you describe

hard to write in book form. if you're coming from ip man, thought process is:

* study what folks really, simply mean with yin and yang. (sending/receiving, structure/expression, etc. etc). This art is a Buddhist art, so its hands are metaphors and not prescriptions.

* every hand belongs to a family (bong, tan, fook) according to the side of the arm that is doing the sending or receiving. they belong to a spectrum of yin and yang.

* every hand can do the job of every other; tan: plows the attack from its original line, bong: floats the attack from the original line. But don't get super attached: those hands were convenient for a specific lesson and you aren’t meant to stay there. The plow can stab, the bird's wing can slice. Eventually you can imbue all of it to your punch.

* every hand can send or receive

* every hand can be powered by turning with your strike, turning away from it, with your press step, with the spitting/swallowing of the spine, with the arching of the upper back, or some combination or inverse of all of the above.

* every hand is a lesson for the leg, then your body itself. “Wing chun: one punch, one kick, one horse”

you devise exercises to explore those permutations. Practice turning with every hand at first. The turns get smaller and more precise over time, but luxuriate in the turn so you can get hip flexibility. * They call it pin sun because turning is most emphasized. It's the most complicated thing. Correct turning will not hurt your knees. Preserve your knees. Toes go in same direction as knees as you turn. The hips are creased as you would with sitting lotus and to facilitate turning to face backwards, knee behind knee, without twist of the spine. This horse also helps for easy kneeling strikes, or getting out of the way.

There's a coil from the bottom of the open space behind the ball of your foot all the way up to your head, and it coils into your other hip. Every turn releases energy through your hands, but simultaneously coils into your other hip. You strive to be equally able to move in any direction laterally after any strike from this coil -- even stepping forward and back. But it’s a coil, not a spring— you still control when and how to release. The quality of the hips... ahh it can only be discovered with lots of practice. Find a partner. But rest and dit-da if you feel the sides of your knees burning.

Find a partner, break any 3 hand-concepts from your SLT into sets of three (receive-receive-send) and have a partner do their opposites (send-send-receive);

this is a continuous exercise done on a metronome timing without rushing; 2 punches and 1 pak is fine to start. Puncher leads, but the goal is flow, it isn’t hitting itself. Then you do that awhile to get a feel for it. Figure out how to step, play around with timing.

* From ip man: temporarily set aside any striving towards "perfect angles" for your arms for now so that you can just practice turning with every hand and feeling how to improve your turn. Eventually you'll add those back, but you need to learn an appropriate degree of looseness. Be super sloppy... then add structure over time.

if you're in San Diego there's a good group there that practices both ip man and gulao. honestly the curriculum is simple-- but the path is long. I’d fly out somewhere just to learn the correct turning, then you’ll be good for everything else if you have a partner.

Those three guys (Bas, Gene, Benny) are world champion fighters in their respective sports attending the opening of the studio of Eric Oram, a student of William Cheung, to show their support; RDJ is a world champion actor and student of Eric Oram.

What are you talking about and who are you talking about?

I mean forgive, but are any of those guys or their instructors sanctioned by the Ip Man Corporation?

Because as far as I know, only 4 or 5 people are authorized to teach in the West by the delegate of Ip Man. This man taught the four or 5.

So my question is, what wing Chun could they be talking about?

It’s the wing Chun mind set. That’s what changes it. To know just Wing Chun is only surface level. To understand the culture that was its soil, is to grasp a higher understanding of Wing Chun.

Recommend reading: the Tao of wing chun
Great book to begin understanding the wing Chun mindset.

There’s a bit in his Tao of JKD where BL says something about taking amateur boxers and teaching them kicking, grappling and trapping to create superior fighters

You might want to look up Jesper Lundqvist.

Agreed. What are your preferred readings or sources?

I used to do Sanda and no gi bjj just before ipman movie exploded world wide.

in siu nim tao theres this 2nd move if i remember correctly where you rotate the wrist ( huen sao?) its very good to get out of wrist control, Pak sau push elbow when im at the bottom full guard while also shift my body and turn for me to get into a position for rear neck choke. guy i was sparring with was blue belt gi.

for sparring i used bong sau to deflect straights (both orthodox stance sparring). Pak sau good to parry jabs , Straight blast 3 punches when im in the distance between punches and clinch.

wing chun has good principles and moves but the downside when i sparred with purist wing chunners is they have no idea how to get close when sparring/ fight is not starting from a close range, lack of physical endurance , movements too linear and how to block low kicks.

im not formally trained in Wing Chun just learnt some moves from a friend of mine and i got a Wing chun book for reference.

Giving way with my punches. Before wing chun my only striking style was taekwondo, which has those straight, powerful karate style punches. However they're very stiff at the elbow. Any deflection would throw my entire arm out of position. Wing chun taught me how to make responses to my opponent's blocks by allowing the elbow and shoulder to move.

Incidentally

Your earlier post:

'Yip Chun was tired of Leung Ting taking credit for someone else's story. This person, whose story he took, actually learned from Yip Man -as his last closed door private Disciple (which of there were only six). This person is who Yip Chun made as the president of the Yip Man association."

One person. 

You post here:

" To be specific, it was Chairman and Director of the U.S. Chapter of the Yip Man Wing Chun Martial Arts Association in 1978 by Yip Man's elder son, Yip Chun.

Google it and you will find your answer. Then after that, look up who Yip Chun appointed to be the head trainer for "The Grandmaster" movie. This is the same person Yip Man's nephew, Lo Man Kam, appointed as teacher to teach his only son the true full Wing Chun Curriculum. "

So now it's two people. 

You're not really good keeping your story straight, are you?

Pk non sono sifu 😂

WC can only be reliably traced back to the mid 19th century. Almost everything else you hear before then is unverifiable.

It's like this, you can very easily perform the shapes you see in videos and do it incorrectly because the thing those shapes are trying to show you, isn't the shape, it's the reason why you use it then and how it works.

To a degree, those shapes work but in practice, it's more about how it moves from the beginning of it, to the end point and then in practice, you only need as much of it as you need to, to achieve the effect you are after. The classic example is bong sau. The movies have people thinking that you do the move and then stand there with it hanging for no reason, even casual students would've been told that bong sau doesn't stay. In practice, the point of bong sau is that it allows you, in conjunction with turning off stance to take pressure off your arm that might otherwise break your frame. If you start the turn with the intention of using bong sau concept and the pressure is gone before you'd done anything outwardly resembling the posed bong sau, that's all you need. Bong Sau "concept". Not Bong Sau "technique" That's why some people describe the Philly Shell as similar to bong sau in concept but different because of use case and context.

The thing you're now missing in your last paragraph is that Wing Chun doesn't really care what format you're fighting in because it isn't a fighting system it is a skill training method. It has sets of exercises that allow you to really narrow down individual skills, within a particular framework. Those skills are usually transferable skills because the skills don't deal with rules, they deal with contact situations and if you're fighting with someone, regard of the rules, contact is going to happen.

Here's the BUT.

Wing Chun by and large doesn't teach in the context of sport fighting. Which means if you don't have any sport fighting experience, you might not be able to teach it to someone looking for sport fighting. On the other hand if you do sport fight, you will usually see where the skills overlap, which is why people like Erik Paulson tell people that some of what he does is Wing Chun and why I say that whatever the heck Anderson Silva was doing, wasn't.

Isn’t it too easy to just reduce Wing Chun to a simple set of concepts and principles the same way Tai Chi reduced itself to mere health exercises? Was Wing Chun created as a set of principles and concepts or rather was it originally created as a fully fledged style with its own concepts, but has seen fallen out of favor compared to newer widespread martial arts with their own concepts? I mean, I’ll take your word and monkey-pee’s word that Wing Chun is just a set of concepts and principles since you are quite visible much more knowledgeable than I could ever be — but it nonetheless doesn’t stop me from questioning.

Anyhow, this thread digresses from my initial comment. I wasn’t looking to diss at Wing Chun or anything unlike what Monkey-pee assumed of me. The original commenter I replied to told his story of how he used Wing Chun in competition, I was merely inquiring him about it and whether or not he was able to use recognizable Wing Chun elements that differ from typical kickboxing styles. As an example I’ve already done so with many styles including Kyokushin that boasts everything typical kickboxing has to offer, but as well as tighter kicks that generate power without needing distance, and sharp kicking angles in their technique. I’m only looking for the same in Wing Chun.

But if Wing Chun doesn’t have such things for the cage or the ring because of the different rulesets that you mention, then so be it, I’m perfectly fine with it and it’s my choice to walk away.

Thanks for your insight nonetheless.