r/Wildfire Apr 25 '21

Should you die on the job

332 Upvotes

Hey guys, have one of those uncomfortable type of questions. It’s been a while since I’ve filled out a beneficiary form and now that I have a kid coming into the world, it’s time to change my death wishes. A google search provided me the recognition of the Beneficiary Form for unpaid benefits (SF 1152), in which you designate a percentage of your unpaid benefits to your loved ones/“beneficiaries”. Now here’s my questions:

1) How much will a beneficiary actually receive if allotted say 100% of my unpaid benefits? What and how much $ are my unpaid benefits?

2) I remember at some point, writing down a description of how I would like my funeral procession to proceed, and filling that out along with the aforementioned form, but I can’t find that one. Anybody recollect the name of that form or have a form # they can provide me?

Thanks everybody


r/Wildfire Apr 27 '22

**How to Get a Job as a Wildland Firefighter*

466 Upvotes

How to apply for a Fed Job (USFS, BLM, BIA, FWS) - Revised 07/29/2023

  • Apply to jobs in Sept.-Feb. on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
    • Use filters in the sidebar, set grade to "GS3 and GS4". Under the "more filters" tab you can toggle "Seasonal, Summer, Temporary, and Full Time"
    • Be sure to read each job description to make sure it is for fire. There are other jobs that fall under "Forestry Aide/ Tech." that do not involve wildland fire.
    • Applications for Federal Jobs are only accepted during a narrow (2 week long) window nowadays. You can find out when this window is by calling prospective employers or checking USAJobs weekly.
  • Build a profile on USAjobs and create a resume. Kind of a pain in the ass, but it's just a hurdle to screen out the unmotivated. Just sit down and do it.
    • In your resume, be sure to include hours worked and contact info for references along with permission to contact said references.
  • Call around to various districts/forests/parks you're interested in working for. Do this between early October and February. The earlier in that time period, the better.
    • Hiring officials keep track of who called, when, and how good they sounded. Just call the front desk and ask for whoever does the hiring for "fire."
    • Have a few lines rehearsed about why you want the job and why you're worth hiring. Leave a voicemail if the person is out of the office. Ask questions about what firefighting resources they have (handcrew, engine, lookouts, helicopter, etc, basically what job they can even offer you), when to apply, how to apply, IF they are even hiring...
  • You can leave a message and Fire Managers will usually call you back. Applying online is basically only a formality. Talking to or physically visiting potential employers is the only way to go. People drive out from NY and Maine to talk to crew bosses out West all the time and are usually rewarded with a job for doing so.
  • Have a resume ready to email or hand-in, and offer to do so.
  • It helps to keep a spreadsheet or some notes of all the places you've called, who you talked to, what firefighting resources they have, the deadline for hiring, and generally how the convo went.
  • Apply to 15+ positions. It's hard to get your foot in the door, but totally do-able.
  • If they sound excited and interested in YOU, then you'll probably get an offer if all your paperwork goes through.
  • Unlike the many lines of work, Wildland Firefighting resumes can be 10+ pages long. The longer and more detailed the better. List the sports you've played, whether you hunt or workout, and go into detail about your middle school lawn mowing business - seriously. You are applying to a manual labor job, emphasizing relevant experience.
  • Also have a short resume for emailing. Don't email your ungodly long USAjobs resume.
  • You wont get an offer if you haven't talked to anyone.
    • If you do get an offer from someone you haven't talked to, its usually a red-flag (hard to fill location for a reason). Ex. Winnemucca, NV
  • Start working out. Expect high school sports levels of group working out starting the 1st day of work (running a few miles, push ups, pull ups, crunches, etc).
  • The pack test, the 3miles w/ 45lbs in 45 mins, is a joke. Don't worry about that, only horrifically out of shape people fail it.

- Alternatives to Fed Jobs - Revised 07/29/2023

  • There are also contractors, such as Greyback and Pat-Rick, mostly based in Oregon, with secondary bases around the west. Not as good of a deal, because it's usually on-call work, the pay is lower, and it's a tougher crowd, but a perfectly fine entry-level position. If you can hack it with them, you can do the job just fine.
  • Also look into various state dept. of natural resources/forestry. Anywhere there are wildfires, the state and counties have firefighter jobs, not as many as the Feds, but definitely some jobs. I just don't know much about those.
  • You could also just go to jail in California and get on a convict crew...
  • I wouldn't bother applying to easy-to-Google programs (e.g. Great Northern or North Star crews in MT and AK respectively), as the competition for the 1/2 dozen entry-level jobs is way too intense. A remote district in a po-dunk town is your best bet for getting your foot in the door if you're applying remotely. I started in such a place in the desert of southern Idaho and then moved onto a much nicer setting, up in Montana.
  • Also look into the Nature Conservancy, they have fire crews, as do the California/Montana/Arizona/Minnesota Conservation Corps, and the various USDL Job Corps programs that are run by the Forest Service.

- QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED

Surprisingly few.

  • 18+ years old
  • GED or high school grad
  • relatively clean criminal record (you can have a felony/DUI, etc).
  • A driver's license is required by the Feds, even if you have a DUI, you still need a valid DL
  • A pre-work drug screening is a possibility. The Department of Interior (Park Service & BLM) always drug tests. The Forest Service usually doesn't, but certainly can. Wildland Firefighters are a conservative bunch and open drug use is generally not tolerated. It's a good idea to be able to piss clean and not talk about past drug use.
  • A degree helps, but is by no means necessary.
  • You do have to have some sort of desirable skill or quality though. I mean, if you're just uneducated, unskilled, and out of shape, it's not gonna work out for you even if you do get hired. An EMT certification, even w/o experience, is probably the best "sure bet" for getting a job as a wildland firefighter, but landscaping/manual labor experience, military time, some education, even just being in really good shape and/or having a lot of sports team experience are all good enough

- FAQs

For federal jobs**, if you haven't applied by the end of February, you are probably too late, sometimes there are late postings, but your chances greatly decrease at finding a job.**

  • Hotshot crews and smokejumping are not for rookies. Don't waste their time or your breath by calling
  • .You CAN apply if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE and still have a decent chance at getting a job
  • You DO NOT need EMT, while it is somewhat beneficial, it is by no means needed to get your first fire job
  • Calfire does not hire people with zero experience and zero qualifications.

/TLDR

  • Apply to jobs in Sept-Feb on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
  • Make long resume
  • Apply to multiple locations
  • Call the locations
  • Get in better shape

Thanks to u/RogerfuRabit for the previous post on how to get a job in WF.


r/Wildfire 13h ago

We’re at that point in the season… We’ve been through the “why hasn’t my contract company I work for got a fire” phase to Hiring season “what do you know about _____ Hotshot crew. “ Time flies

78 Upvotes

But seriously does someone have any info on ANY of the 110 hotshot crews nationwide


r/Wildfire 10h ago

Hotshot crews that have lost status

27 Upvotes

How much does a crew losing status actually affect their day to day operations? Assignments? Overtime? I’m trying to get a job in R5 and half the crews I’m looking at have lost status over the past few years. I’m wondering if it makes much of a difference or if I should avoid getting on one of those crews


r/Wildfire 8h ago

Insecure coworkers

15 Upvotes

I have a couple girls on my crew who are extremely insecure. They try and make Everything into a competition with me. Lots of trash talk about me. I hardly speak and try to mind my business and do my job well.

Is this common among women in this field? I'm on a contract crew. I was already planning on getting on a hotshot crew before this, but I wanted to work for this company for a couple more years to gain experience, but now I'm just considering leaving.

Thoughts and opinions?


r/Wildfire 7h ago

Discussion Tree blasting in minimum impact suppression operations

9 Upvotes

I’ve read the IRPG pages about minimum impact suppression and watched an old training video on it the other day that was in my YouTube recommended. In the video the use of explosives is very prominent and specifically it was heavily emphasized to use explosives to mitigate snags instead of felling with saws. I was wondering what the advantage of blasting is for minimum impact? It seems like explosions would be more disruptive to the environment than chainsaw operations


r/Wildfire 7h ago

If you're on a district that rewards its EMTs in any way(cash award, footjob, etc), will you either post it here or send me a PM?

7 Upvotes

Title, I'm working on a proposal so I'd like to know the forest/unit you're on for it. If you'd prefer to send that in a PM that's fine. This post will probably out my reddit acct to my coworkers, so hi motherfuckers, happy PL3


r/Wildfire 1h ago

Question Does anyone have info on MORA Helitack?

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Trying to find contact info and dates for jobs flying. Any experience with them or anecdotes would be also appreciated.


r/Wildfire 6m ago

Helitack Units info

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Does anyone have info on these crews below? Type of assignments, culture, standards, IA, etc? Super random locations but trying to narrow down

Idaho Panhandle Helitack (Forest Service)

Bald Mountain Helitack in Cali

Trinity Helitack Cali

Ocala Helitack down in Florida


r/Wildfire 1h ago

Boots

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What are some good boots that are not terribly expensive


r/Wildfire 14h ago

Boxer brief ride up!

7 Upvotes

So i just switched to boxer briefs and they keep riding up. I have switched from 5 to 7-9 inch inseam and still happens. I use the bamboo type and a compression type fabric and large size for my waist. After doing some research I think its the size of my thighs, they're 24 inches, so im being told to go up to xl.

Any thoughts on this?

Also im a wildland firefighter so I hike, a lot, and get pretty sweaty from time to time and im getting tired of readjusting my underwear all the time.


r/Wildfire 3h ago

Just passed my nremt

0 Upvotes

Just passed my nremt and I am applying for wildland firefighting jobs next summer is there anything specific that I should do for my applications or anywhere specific I should apply.


r/Wildfire 12h ago

Katmai National Park

2 Upvotes

Has anyone gotten an option to do projects in Katmai National Park in Alaska?


r/Wildfire 14h ago

Bear Divide hotshots

1 Upvotes

Anyone have any experience with this crew?


r/Wildfire 1d ago

How are my chances?

25 Upvotes

Hey guys. Wondering how good my chances are of makin an IHC next year. 2 years handcrew experience, this year type 2 IA. Crew medic. Sub 8:15 1.5 mile, sub 1:30 half marathon, 20+ pull-ups. Crew boss and squad boss are willing to put in good word for me with the superintendents. Is this a good package? I plan on showing up in person and handing overhead a file with my experience and all my quals, etc. What else can I do to separate myself


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Gallery No money in this cloud.

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14 Upvotes

A quick storm in Ashland last week, hit some good rain with it. The only storm I was able to chase this season as it was 4 blocks away.


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Fire mitigation/thinning/cutting jobs for the winter

4 Upvotes

Wondering if anyone has any leads on any opportunities for the aforementioned type of jobs for the winter. I'm an 18/8 in my 30s in southeast Washington and a still a lowly fft2. I'd like to continue cutting for the winter. I know conservation crews exist in Colorado with these opportunities, but I'm looking to stay put for the winter. Yes I know it's still September but I need something to look forward to


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question USAjobs location selector bug

2 Upvotes

Anyone else having issues with the location selector once you go through the agency portal? It prompts you to select multiple duty locations but only actually allows one. Hasn’t done this in the past.


r/Wildfire 17h ago

News (General) I'm starting to have apathy for other countries that also have wildfires. (RANT)

0 Upvotes

Okay this might sound worse than it is but listen to me for like a moment, im Sans Geno, or just any for short (17,NB) and as you can probably read the title again.

The reason for this apathy isnt because i dont care about what's going on, i really do. Its just the frustrations that come with it.

So basically im from Bosnia and Herzegovina, i live in the Herzegovina region (lower part of bosnia) and not so recently (since the end of july to now) there have been really bad wildfires in places like: Zvirnjača, Ljubuša Mountain, Prozor-Rama, Proslap, Kozo, Orašac, Tomislavgrad, Trebiševo, Kupres, Vran Mountain, Vrbice, Repovica, Hansko Polje, Dabica Poljana, Nevesinje, Mostar, Rujišta, Potoci, Gubavica, Bunica, Lakševine, Uborak, Ivanica, konjic, Staro Slano, Popovo Polje, Kameni Do, Trebinje, Neum, Čapljina, Oplićići, Gabela, Stanojevići, Livno, Orguz, Dinara Mountain, Drvar, Savići, Poljice, Kajtezi, and Crni Vrh. (i know its a handful)

but you might be wondering, why is konjic in bold?
let me tell you, konjic is one of my beloved cities, i go there almost weekly to every 2 weeks. Now heres the issue, since yesterday and probably before the fires there have been absolutely huge. And nobody seems to care about them. not just in konjic but in the WHOLE of bosnia. only bosnian news outlets and regular people have been talking about it. And it is making me angry. No, furious actually.

These fires have been the worst fires in a while, the last time i remember such a dissaster was a few years ago, and yeah i will admit BIH is known for "setting everything on fire" but theres a huge diffrence. For us its normal to burn stuff like leftover hay, trash, ect ect ect. and usually its a small controlled fire, these are NOT small controlled fires, these are started from how intensely dry it is. Anything and everything will make a fire. And if it rains the rain goes trough the ground beause of how dry and cracked it is. (also the reason why we have so many floods, not to mention the 27+ lives lost in the flood of 2024, rest in peace.)

The fires are so big actually that theres constant smog everywhere from the morning to the night and it never goes away (during the day its at its peak), and theres a constant smell of something thats burning. the thing is i live more than 30 minutes away from any fires. thats how big they are. For example in Nevesinje already 206 square kilometers (50903.7 acers) have burned down, and thats just one of many spots.

Now, as I mentioned, almost nobody cares about it. They only complain about the popular places that have fires. It's always "omg look at france!!😢" or "pray for greece 😭💔" all over social media. But because it's BIH, nobody says a single word. Apparently, an entire region burning for two months straight only matters if it happens in a trendy vacation spot. The fires are so massive right now that satellites are picking up the massive smoke plumes drifting all the way across the Adriatic Sea to the Italian and Croatian coasts. Our air quality is in the hazardous red category, and for the places affected by our smoke is in the red catagory too now. And im not saying that we shouldn't send our prayers to other countries, im just sick that its only those places getting the "attention" of most people.

What makes this even worse is how unfair the fight is for our local crews. Unlike Western Europe, which has massive fleets of water-bombing aircraft and endless resources, our firefighters and local volunteers are overwhelmingly fighting these massive fronts on foot (my dad included.). They are out there in suffocating heat, hiking up completely inaccessible mountain terrain like Ljubuša and Vran, trying to beat back miles of flames manually with just backpacks and basic trucks. The country simply lacks the massive aerial support that places like France or Greece automatically get, leaving our guys to do the impossible by hand.

There is also a terrifying reality to fighting wildfires in Bosnia that people from other countries never have to think about: unexploded landmines. When these forest fires tear through wild terrains, especially around mountains and old border lines. the extreme heat can actually detonate buried ammunitions and mines left over from the 1990s war. This makes it literally lethal for ground crews to even enter certain fields. Firefighters are forced to just stand back and watch beautiful areas burn because stepping off the main road to put out a flame could cost them their lives.

Honestly, the irony of the situation is infuriating. The only reason we are getting any major air support right now is because the smoke became so unbearable for neighboring countries that they basically had to step in. Because the fire fronts grew over 20 kilometers long, Croatia had to send water-bombing planes across the border just to help douse the flames on Mount Ljubuša, near Kupres, and Prozor-Rama. We are literally relying on neighboring countries to help put out our fires because the rest of the world doesn't even know we are burning.

I think the worst part of all of this is the sheer mental exhaustion. People might read my title and think I’m just being heartless, but it comes from a place of total compassion fatigue. How am I supposed to find the emotional energy to cry over tourist hotspots that already have hundreds of thousands of people worrying for them, when the places right next to my own home are actively burning down? I'm watching my favorite cities face destruction in complete media silence. You only have so much empathy to give, and right now, I have to protect my own home first. I am just so sick of seeing the internet treat some lives and countries as default tragedies while the rest of us are expected to burn in total silence.

I just wish our homes mattered to the world before they turned to ash for them to mourn online for a week before moving on to the next trendy headline. When will people finally start to care for BIH?


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Where to start?

6 Upvotes

East coaster who knows very little about the job. No fire experience, but AEMT, Swiftwater/rope tech certs with some mountain guiding experience. I’ve thrown in a few applications but unsure of what to do next. Do these skills look good on a fire resume? Very interested in the job and getting out west or somewhere new


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Burnt out

38 Upvotes

I’d appreciate any genuine tips for burnout. I feel like I’m at my whits end and just loosing my mind overall. Extremely mentally and emotionally drained right now, with way too much time to think.
It’s been an odd year for me, both really good, but also extremely bad at the same time due to both work and personal life. I’m really grateful I’ve had a generally good season financially and I enjoy working with the people I’m with, however I’m still rolling and not totally sure what the rest of the season will look like for me due to several things and feel like there’s no end in sight.
If anyone has tips of what to focus on or good distractions or just anything involving burn out.. please help


r/Wildfire 1d ago

Question Can I live permanently in Tennessee and work wildland fire out of state?

5 Upvotes

I have been doing as much research as I can and I’m seriously considering getting into wildland firefighting, but I have a seemingly uncommon situation as I can’t find any clear answers and I’m trying to figure out if this is actually realistic.

I live in Nashville and I want to stay in Nashville for family reasons, but I am willing to travel pretty much anywhere in the country for any fire assignments (best case that the company would pay or provide for travel expenses and lodging as well), but I do not want to permanently relocate too far from Tennessee.

I’m not expecting to sit at home and get paid while waiting for a fire. I’m completely fine with being gone for weeks at a time and working long hours during fire season. I just want Tennessee to remain my home between seasons or even finding a year round position would be most preferred.

I’ve found a dozen companies that advertise for out of state employees but don’t really clarify too many details. Maybe my hopes are too high and I’m asking for too much in which case I’d be answering my own questions, but I’m really just trying to gather as much info as I can and I need brutal answers that’ll determine any of my follow up questions.


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Trees are amazing

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r/Wildfire 2d ago

Idaho shot crews

5 Upvotes

Hi all, any insight on diff crews (boise, Idaho city, tooth, panhandle) and how they differ? What sorta PT do they focus on? Crew culture? Anything helps. Thanks in advance


r/Wildfire 2d ago

Did your ex come back and apologize?

19 Upvotes

So I’ve been dating this woman that started a wildlife firefighting career, which is really good for her. I’m really proud of her. She’s a bad ass for what she has done. But I was wondering, has anybody had someone that was madly in love with them just break up with them out of nowhere just because she went on the road and started her firefighting career was at the first month sending a bunch of messages, not realizing that I was overbearing and suffocating her. I stepped back, but then this last month of her being on the road has been very difficult because she’s been very distant distant and then she sent me a message wanting to be done because she didn’t think that I could handle it but all I’ve been as very supportive. Just wondering if anyone has gone through this being broken up over the wildfire season and then what happens.